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Tedsc #1 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 20:11

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In the last 24 games I have played I have been bottom tier in +2 in 19 of them and never been top tier.  I pay to play games that are fun but this is not fun.

 



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Maybe find a way to not be in the same location as the three top tier enemy tanks, but rather find out and engage the 7 enemy tanks that are at your same tier?  I get that facing tanks 2 tiers higher is a tough challenge at times,  but there are things you can do to reduce having to face then directly for much of the battle.

 

Personally I don't care about being bottom tier.  Facing higher tiers means I get a modest increase in xp if I hurt them, so I look for those opportunities gladly while trying to stay somewhat near a higher tier tank that can face the enemy face to face.



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View PostAltwar, on Dec 12 2018 - 20:20, said:

Maybe find a way to not be in the same location as the three top tier enemy tanks, but rather find out and engage the 7 enemy tanks that are at your same tier?  I get that facing tanks 2 tiers higher is a tough challenge at times,  but there are things you can do to reduce having to face then directly for much of the battle.

 

Personally I don't care about being bottom tier.  Facing higher tiers means I get a modest increase in xp if I hurt them, so I look for those opportunities gladly while trying to stay somewhat near a higher tier tank that can face the enemy face to face.

 

Maybe try to understand that this is a game, people play it to have fun and bottom tier isn't fun.  It just isn't.  It is not impossible to have a good game at bottom tier but that doesn't make it FUN!  It is BORING constantly being bottom tier.  

 

I would rather lose 9 out of 10 single tier battles than be bottom tier in 9 out of 10 winning battles.  Games should be fun and if all it does is make welcome the sweet release of death so you can get to the next battle and hopefully NOT be bottom tier then something is wrong with the game.

 

This game is ALMOST great  but the fact you have to throw away so many boring AF bottom tier games to get to a good one is a REAL deal breaker!


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Insanefriend #4 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 20:30

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Top tier isn't much fun either in 3/5/7, fighting tanks two down from you just feels bad.  I for one would rather be bottom, at least then you need to try.

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View PostTedsc, on Dec 12 2018 - 11:27, said:

 

Maybe try to understand that this is a game, people play it to have fun and bottom tier isn't fun.

 

I've played a few battles in this game, been bottom tier many, many times and have had plenty of fun, even in the days when the tier spread was far greater.  Being the bottom tier doesn't mean I am helpless.  It just means I am being challenged while being less noticed than if I was a top tier.  In any case, I get to operate a tank, shoot stuff and do what I can to contribute towards a team win.  I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't fun and IMO, its one of the most fun games I've ever played.

Cerbium #6 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 20:41

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bruh just play tier 10

24cups #7 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 20:45

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So it's only fun if you can stomp easily.
If you have to make an effort that's no fun.
Perhaps play minecraft.

TishLover #8 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 20:46

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Satisfaction I get from hitting top damage or top exp as a bottom tier is pretty awesome.

Finding a way to help the team as a bottom tier is pretty awesome as well........ awesome = crazy fun



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View PostCerbium, on Dec 12 2018 - 20:41, said:

bruh just play tier 10

 

I like tier 9 but I don't have any progress to make at tier 9.  Tier 10 is not very profitable.  All the tanks I am working on right now are 7 and 8s.  

Byracki #10 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 21:36

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wwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

wah waahh wwwwwaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



Rigour67 #11 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 21:39

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You've found the inherent discouragement in 357 MM design.

I remain of the opinion that WG must know something I don't to have stuck with 357 this long.  Because, yeah, expect to be bottom tier a LOT.  

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View PostTedsc, on Dec 12 2018 - 20:11, said:

In the last 24 games I have played I have been bottom tier in +2 in 19 of them and never been top tier.  I pay to play games that are fun but this is not fun.

 

 

But its  matches like that you really advance on ur skills. 

the_Deadly_Bulb #13 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 21:47

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OP, I can completely agree with your position.

If you feel that your purchasing anything from the Premium Shop should grant you more top tier matches then by all means you should withhold your funds, because that's not going to happen. 

It isn't how the game works.

You're as free as anyone to spend money or withhold it.

Personal choice is your right.

 

Don't fret, I intend to drop serious cash to enjoy this event. I'll likely spend enough for both of us.

 

As to it not being fun, well if That's true I'd go 1 step beyond not spending, you know, like not playing.



the_Deadly_Bulb #14 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 21:51

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View PostRigour67, on Dec 12 2018 - 12:39, said:

You've found the inherent discouragement in 357 MM design.

I remain of the opinion that WG must know something I don't to have stuck with 357 this long.  Because, yeah, expect to be bottom tier a LOT.  

 

About 80% chance to NOT be top tier in any 3/5/7 match.

3 out of 15 = 1/5 or 20%

That leaves an 80% chance for a postion other than top tier.

Not really mysterious.

 

I guess you're just going to hold that cash!

Buy yourself something else for Christmas.



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View Postthe_Deadly_Bulb, on Dec 12 2018 - 20:51, said:

 

About 80% chance to NOT be top tier in any 3/5/7 match.

3 out of 15 = 1/5 or 20%

That leaves an 80% chance for a postion (sic) other than top tier.

Not really mysterious.

 

 

Exactly.  Just plain old math.


There will also be a natural trough at X-2 with X = max tier.  So in the game as present, Tier 8 would naturally figure to be a rough spot.
 

The distribution of the player base may even further depress that number for certain tiers.


 

 



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View PostRigour67, on Dec 12 2018 - 12:54, said:

 

Exactly.  Just plain old math.


There will also be a natural trough at X-2 with X = max tier.  So in the game as present, Tier 8 would naturally figure to be a rough spot.
 

The distribution of the player base may even further depress that number for certain tiers.


 

 

 

Not so certain of that.

Given that T-Xs are likely less common than T-VIII, especially given the great numbers of T-VIII Premiums now in the game, I would think T-VI is pretty rough too.

T-V sees +2/-1 so there's not a lot of top tier in that tier either.

 

I find 20% top tier frequency pretty much the same across T-V to VIII in 3/5/7, with a few less in T-V.

 

There does seem to be less same tier and 2 tier matches in T-VIII, its mostly 3/5/7, and while not as bad [edited]in T-VIII this is also reflected in T-VI.


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View Post24cups, on Dec 12 2018 - 20:45, said:

So it's only fun if you can stomp easily.
If you have to make an effort that's no fun.
Perhaps play minecraft.

 

Where did I say anything about needing to stomp easily?  I said I don't want to be bottom tier all the time.  Their is a world of difference.  If all battles were single tier (frontline for example) that would be amazing. Bottom tier in +1 frankly is still close enough that it is usually fun.  +2 is NOT fun.  What any of that has to do with needing to STOMP is entirely your own creation.  I never said anything to that end, but constructive post!  Thanks for the input.

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View Postthe_Deadly_Bulb, on Dec 12 2018 - 21:47, said:

OP, I can completely agree with your position.

If you feel that your purchasing anything from the Premium Shop should grant you more top tier matches then by all means you should withhold your funds, because that's not going to happen. 

It isn't how the game works.

You're as free as anyone to spend money or withhold it.

Personal choice is your right.

 

Don't fret, I intend to drop serious cash to enjoy this event. I'll likely spend enough for both of us.

 

As to it not being fun, well if That's true I'd go 1 step beyond not spending, you know, like not playing.

 

I don't feel like purchasing premium time or tanks entitles me to anything!  I think WG needs to know though that 3/5/7 is costing them money.  I will not be spending money I otherwise would have spent on this game because their MM algorithm SUCKS!  As a business that wants paying customers, they may want to know when they have lost business opportunities. 

 

I speak only for myself, certainly their are plenty of customers that pay through the nose for credits to shoot premium ammo when bottom tier.  Those customer purchases prop up this 3/5/7 that many customers vocally oppose.


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View PostRigour67, on Dec 12 2018 - 21:39, said:

You've found the inherent discouragement in 357 MM design.

I remain of the opinion that WG must know something I don't to have stuck with 357 this long.  Because, yeah, expect to be bottom tier a LOT.  

 

They know that they will sell credits for real money to people who compensate for bottom tier by shooting premium ammo.  WG is a data driven company.  If you all stop with the premium ammo spam then they won't have a financial incentive to continue an algorithm that they know costs them players.

Edited by Tedsc, Dec 12 2018 - 22:48.


AverageWannabe #20 Posted Dec 12 2018 - 22:52

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Top tier players need the exp and the credits to advance in the game... don't you see? We are just cannon fodder for the top dollar players.

Edited by AverageWannabe, Dec 12 2018 - 22:54.





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