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Brody67 #1 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 21:28

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So for several months now been trying to beat the Mission LT-15 for T28 HTC been running the B-C 12T cause i keep hearing its best for spotting at tier 8 cause of its awesome camo value but i usually die before my 6th sense goes off, 

 

But im reading the WZ-132 is better now from other players in game for passive scouting 

So gonna ask the fourms which of the two would i have a better chance with at beating LT-15 



Ndtm #2 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 21:36

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Hmm, pretty sure i've gotten the honors done already with the lights for that one.. all in my Type 62 which is basically a WZ (albeit a WZ-131 and not 132).. though then again it's also my most favorite tank so i play it a lot so maybe i just got there slowly :hiding:

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If I remember correctly, I did LT-15's with Honors in the following tanks:

- For StuG IV: MT-25

- For T28 HTC: WZ-132

- For T-55A: LTTB

- For Obj. 260: WZ-132

 

While they did nerf the WZ-132 since I completed these missions, it's still a very good light tank and fully capable of completing any of the LT-15 missions. The LTTB is also a very solid choice, and arguably became even better after the changes. I would prioritize the LTTB most likely, since it leads to the T-100 LT, which is a much better scout at Tier 10, than the WZ-132-1 at Tier 10 is. However, for just the Tier 8's, either one will work great for you.


Edited by Scorpiany, Jan 10 2019 - 21:37.


QuicksilverJPR #4 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 21:37

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BC12t has the higher camo rating, especially since you want to equip your 132 with a gun rammer vs the vents on the BC12t...

 

132 = camo of 33.24

 

12t = camo of 37.59



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View PostScorpiany, on Jan 10 2019 - 13:36, said:

If I remember correctly, I did LT-15's with Honors in the following tanks:

- For StuG IV: MT-25

- For T28 HTC: WZ-132

- For T-55A: LTTB

- For Obj. 260: WZ-132

 

While they did nerf the WZ-132 since I completed these missions, it's still a very good light tank and fully capable of completing any of the LT-15 missions. The LTTB is also a very solid choice, and arguably became even better after the changes. I would prioritize the LTTB most likely, since it leads to the T-100 LT, which is a much better scout at Tier 10, than the WZ-132-1 at Tier 10 is. However, for just the Tier 8's, either one will work great for you.

 

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i have the B-C 12t running camo,optics and vents, im really close to the WZ-131 26k xp to go, 

I thought about grinding for the t49 but grinding light tanks isnt something i like doing takes so long, :( 

 

i came very close to beating it in my AMX 13 75 was 60 dmg off and my team wouldnt let me shoot last tank alive, :izmena:

 

Type 64 is the other light i have and have gotten 4k once while i was still on stug but that was alot of cruiseing around :(



TheManFromKekistan #7 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 21:45

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Seems an lt-432 would do the role well with its 40% camo and 498m view range if you have the ioptics and food.

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I did LT-15 in the AMX 12T, mostly assistance damage, probably on Prok or Malinovka.  I run the French lights with binos, which, together with their camo, make them excellent passive spotters.  You don't need to be in a tier 8 to do the T28 LT-15, and it might be, in some ways, more difficult.  Sure there's a larger health pool to farm, but you will spend a lot of time in tier 10 games where view range saturation is a problem.

 

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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jan 10 2019 - 15:45, said:

Seems an lt-432 would do the role well with its 40% camo and 498m view range if you have the ioptics and food.

 

RU251 works as well (did for me)...

RickEdwards #10 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 21:52

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B-C 12t has great camo; if you are in a bush and getting spotted (without being a proxy spot) then you are not in the bush fully or have a really bad crew... Also, camo net and binocs are the way to go. As for what tank I used to get all the LT-15s, I think it was AMX 12t (pre-LT change) for the first 3 and then the AMX 13 105 for the Obj. 260. Usually the best way to go for missions like those are to be a passive scout (you have to get a good map for this though) and find a good bush where you can spot enemies that your teammates can actually shoot.

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I did that mission with the Wz 132 (prenerf, when T8 lights were highest teir). I completed the one for T55a in the wz 132 a.

IMO, the exact camo value on a tank matters less than view range for passive scouting. Usually if you are in a good passive scouting location, your not going to be spotted unless you shot. Enemies have to be absurdly close to you before you are spotted while hiding in a bush regardless if its a WZ or bt. In those events you probably should have moved already.


View range and the ability to spot enemies moving in bushes is much more important IMO. Enemies who are lit and are being shot at are less likely to move forwards and spot you.



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i was looking at those Honor certificates you get and i need 4 to just do the mission LT-15 but can i use ones i earn from operation stug on T28HTC?

TheManFromKekistan #13 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 22:03

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View PostQuicksilverJPR, on Jan 10 2019 - 15:47, said:

 

RU251 works as well (did for me)...

 

The 251 is also fairly short which helps with hiding in low cover that taller tanks can't use even if they have good camo ratings. There is a spot on paris by the rubble in the middle near the river that has some very dense vegetation but its too short for my m41 90 to use but my 432 can slide right in and due to how many short bushes there are in front it can fire undetected. 

 

Also you can fiddle with the equipment to maximize camo and view range since you are after a specific outcome. Change it to vents, camo net and binocs along with a good crew and food.


Edited by TheManFromKekistan, Jan 10 2019 - 22:08.


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Use the USA T71 got 3000 damage and 2000 assisted a couple days ago. Get 3-4K combined happens often.
Both the 12T and 132 will get it for you some day. Like all mission 15 it takes the right map. With the right tanks on both teams and enough stupidity on the red side.

AlamoMelt #15 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 22:56

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I did LT 15 for the HTC in an American tier 7 T71 back with +3 match maker (by which I mean when it was easier). The BC 12t should be able to do the mission for you, so if you're having trouble I'd recommend checking out Taugrim's BC 12t guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixQf8UUoteE and 4TankersandDog's Scout Guides: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JAcvt-Q5GSoSMr8NIOS4A

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View PostBattleshipBob27, on Jan 10 2019 - 21:14, said:

Use the USA T71 got 3000 damage and 2000 assisted a couple days ago. Get 3-4K combined happens often.
Both the 12T and 132 will get it for you some day. Like all mission 15 it takes the right map. With the right tanks on both teams and enough stupidity on the red side.

 

I also got it on my T71, I'd say it's best to use a light tank that can both spot, but also dish out damage quickly, the end-game cleanup could be all that you need to reach your goal, and the 2s autoloader helped me get the last few kills.

StepChild_TO #17 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 23:29

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I used the t37 and the bulldog. Just had to jockey against other lights who had to steal my spotting. I bought the tier 8 wz for spotting for the t55a and just never get the map I need. supposed to be best light but I don't think so.

coconut2011 #18 Posted Jan 10 2019 - 23:56

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For pure passive scouting, bc-12t is somewhat better due to more bushes it can go to.  That said, WZ-132 is not any worse than bc-12t because it also has certain advantages in some other spots.

 

That said, there is no absolute correlation of using which light is better for the mission.  LT-15 missions in particular, can benefit from better fire powers of the light tank.  In this regard, WZ-132 is significantly better.

 

But why limit to WZ or bc-12t?  Any tier 8+ lights can do the job.  Most of the time, your luck (map and MM) plays bigger role in getting LT-15 missions done.



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For t8's BC has the best camo, best overall for scouting I think. Not including prems however. 

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View Postcoconut2011, on Jan 10 2019 - 23:56, said:

For pure passive scouting, bc-12t is somewhat better due to more bushes it can go to.  That said, WZ-132 is not any worse than bc-12t because it also has certain advantages in some other spots.

 

That said, there is no absolute correlation of using which light is better for the mission.  LT-15 missions in particular, can benefit from better fire powers of the light tank.  In this regard, WZ-132 is significantly better.

 

But why limit to WZ or bc-12t?  Any tier 8+ lights can do the job.  Most of the time, your luck (map and MM) plays bigger role in getting LT-15 missions done.

 

closest tier 8 tanks i can use are B-C 12t which i have been useing and WZ-132 




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