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NeroGermanicus #1 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 08:39

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Thought for sure I could not be spotted where I was, but then I got killed.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4725611#prokhorovka-nerogermanicus-hwk_12



I_QQ_4_U #2 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 09:05

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No way to know, likely one of the guys who shot you. Looks like the front of your hull was just sticking out of the bush. Definitely not cheating, don't go tinfoil.

Edited by I_QQ_4_U, Jan 12 2019 - 09:06.


24_inch_pythons #3 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 09:08

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 Dude... you need to work on your crew and setup if you want to scout. Not even max view range? At tier VIII? Ouch. And I'm guessing your camo skills are just as bad as your vision skills. If you want to have any prayer of scouting you need to fix that.

 Otherwise someone with Binocs moved up to that long row of bushes just ahead of you and lit you.



fodder49s #4 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 12:16

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My guess is that somebody bush tunneled near the road.

 

Putting guessing aside, I do know that the bush you were using is one of the easier bushes on that side to dig folks out of. Back to guessing, I don't know if the camo value on that bush is goofy or if the game doesn't think it's as big as we do, but it's not unusual for me to burn through Swedish TDs in that position from the road bushes. 



GeorgePreddy #5 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 13:52

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There are no mods, legal or illegal that can increase your enemy's view range or spotting distance and there are no mods which can decrease your concealment value (the one that removes all bushes does NOT affect the bush concealment values)... so, why did you jump to the conclusion that some enemy tanker was cheating (your immediate comments after getting killed in the video) ??

 

Do you not understand that all the concealment and view mechanics are server side ?  Or do you truly believe someone actually took the time and trouble to hack the server, changing the view range abilities for every tank like theirs in the game ?

 

Learn the mechanics and then use common sense... stop going all "tinfoil" at the slightest opportunity.

 

 

 

 

 

 



fodder49s #6 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 14:04

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on Jan 12 2019 - 07:52, said:

stop going all "tinfoil" at the slightest opportunity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but are you bothering to read anyone's OP before going off half cocked?



Icon_Charlie #7 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 14:40

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View Postfodder49s, on Jan 12 2019 - 05:04, said:

 

I hate to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but are you bothering to read anyone's OP before going off half cocked?

Yea the man who rights in green who has 9 accounts so he can vote himself high should not be talking about abusing the system. Him and others like him are one of the reasons people left.

 

When you have no life you become of one of these things stating misconceptions.

I'll take the 30+ thousand youtube hits on this game on the cheat mods than this guy...

 

Who writes in green.

 

 



Astralite #8 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 16:34

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The front of your tank was sticking out of the bush.

mackinawjim45 #9 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 16:49

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Could have been a suck-shot.

 

Sometimes I'll shoot at a bush or a corner where I think someone might be.



Manimal__ #10 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 17:31

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View Postfodder49s, on Jan 12 2019 - 05:04, said:

 

I hate to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but are you bothering to read anyone's OP before going off half cocked?

 

I never do.

NeroGermanicus #11 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 17:38

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on Jan 12 2019 - 06:52, said:

There are no mods, legal or illegal that can increase your enemy's view range or spotting distance and there are no mods which can decrease your concealment value (the one that removes all bushes does NOT affect the bush concealment values)... so, why did you jump to the conclusion that some enemy tanker was cheating (your immediate comments after getting killed in the video) ??

 

Do you not understand that all the concealment and view mechanics are server side ?  Or do you truly believe someone actually took the time and trouble to hack the server, changing the view range abilities for every tank like theirs in the game ?

 

Learn the mechanics and then use common sense... stop going all "tinfoil" at the slightest opportunity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm, never said that did I?  I simply asked how I got spotted. I thought for sure I was safe there. You should read and comprehend before posting, it makes you look like a fool.

 

There is an old saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.."



Waarheid #12 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 18:22

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View PostNeroGermanicus, on Jan 12 2019 - 17:38, said:

 

Hmmmm, never said that did I?  I simply asked how I got spotted. I thought for sure I was safe there. You should read and comprehend before posting, it makes you look like a fool.

 

There is an old saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.."

 

Did you watch your own replay? 

 

To answer your question (again, as it has already been answered), you got outspotted by a tank with better viewrange. When you wiggled that little bit forward you exposed the front right corner of your tank just enough to be seen (as well as disengaging your camo net, which made you even easier to spot). 

You would have done better to run further up the 1 line to a more forward bush earlier in the game (the bushes at E-1 are fantastic), and then not moved even one little bit. 

You need to train concealment on all crew, viewrange skills on the commander and radio op, and get binocs to get your view range out to well beyond the maximum view range. You should also have sixth sense trained. Otherwise you need to be active scouting on that map since there is nowhere to run to if you get spotted in a bush. 

 

There is a great deal on XP conversion and crew XP for training this weekend. Spend some gold and take advantage of it. The holiday boxes are a fantastic way to buy gold atm (about 50% off). 


Edited by Waarheid, Jan 12 2019 - 18:43.


I_QQ_4_U #13 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 18:33

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View Postfodder49s, on Jan 12 2019 - 14:04, said:

 

I hate to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but are you bothering to read anyone's OP before going off half cocked?

 

Maybe YOU need to watch the video???

I_QQ_4_U #14 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 18:35

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View PostNeroGermanicus, on Jan 12 2019 - 17:38, said:

 

Hmmmm, never said that did I? 

 

Yeah you went all tinfoil in the video which is part of your OP.

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Jan 12 2019 - 11:35, said:

 

Yeah you went all tinfoil in the video which is part of your OP.

Well, give the guy some credit. He didn't repeat such tinfoil in his post after having a chance to calm down, and he actually came to the forum to ask how he was spotted, and he actually provided a replay rather than just a story or a few screenshots.   That puts him leagues ahead of true tinfoil baddies.



8_Hussars #16 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 20:07

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View PostWaarheid, on Jan 12 2019 - 10:22, said:

When you wiggled that little bit forward you exposed the front right corner of your tank just enough to be seen (as well as disengaging your camo net, which made you even easier to spot).

 

I have not watched the video.  However, contrary to popular opinion all you have to hide is your "visibility check points" the tank model showing is irrelevant.

If indeed you have poor crew skills as reported (no max view range with the best T8 scout (410 base view range)?) and the camo net (triggered) disengaged, then it was game over for you.


And if you want to learn to scout at least check this out it is dated (pre-removal of Scout MM and intro of T10 scouts) but it should give you a base to work from.

I_QQ_4_U #17 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 20:21

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View Post8_Hussars, on Jan 12 2019 - 20:07, said:

 

I have not watched the video.  However, contrary to popular opinion all you have to hide is your "visibility check points" the tank model showing is irrelevant.

 

The detection point at the front of his hull was out of the bush.

8_Hussars #18 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 20:41

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Jan 12 2019 - 12:21, said:

 

The detection point at the front of his hull was out of the bush.

 

Thank you.

The one thing I forgot to mention is that many think they need to be "IN" a bush, when you should use bushes as a screen hence you need to be "BEHIND" the bush.  Further, bushes range from a 5% to 50% bonus and can be arbitrarily random.  There are even "fake" bushes that offer nothing.

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View Postfodder49s, on Jan 12 2019 - 06:04, said:

 

I hate to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but are you bothering to read anyone's OP before going off half cocked?

Nope, the sad thing is people still give him upvotes or even sadder its him in his alt accounts upvoting himself. 



Flarvin #20 Posted Jan 12 2019 - 21:10

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View PostBill_Nye_the_RussianSpy, on Jan 12 2019 - 14:47, said:

Nope, the sad thing is people still give him upvotes or even sadder its him in his alt accounts upvoting himself. 

 

But the saddest part is that you care. lol






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