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SteelRonin #1 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 15:50

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https://thearmoredpa...est-tiger-ii-h/

 

This tank reappeared on the supertest. It appeared long time ago and now appeared again, with slightly different stats than the old one.

 

https://tanks.gg/com...tiger-ii_311129

 

Tanks.gg still have the oldest one if I am correctly, but you can still have an Idea.

 

My opinion: The Tiger 2 should always be tier 7, and the historical configuration is awesome. I play the current Tiger 2 with the stock gun only, and having a Tiger 2, tier 7, and premium, that good be awesome for me, as a collector.

 

I hope they add it to the game, the Ht number VI or the Tiger 131 proved the german tanks are overtiered at least the oldest ones, and I am sure the Tiger 2 (H) would be nice. The Tiger I still have better DPM and the Tiger 2 has better armor.

 

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Gothraul #2 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 16:00

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I agree and people have said it for years, I just hope that it doesn't completely obsolete my VK 4503.

SteelRonin #3 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 16:08

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View PostGothraul, on Feb 18 2019 - 12:00, said:

I agree and people have said it for years, I just hope that it doesn't completely obsolete my VK 4503.

 

the VK 4503 have better mobility. far better. This Tiger II (H) will be sluggish as heck, like having a broken engine and a dead driver. But the VK is balanced and this new tank looks balanced to me, both are not better than the current Tiger 1, at least the Tiger II (H) won't be another OP soviet tank that surpass other soviet tanks, lol.

bigbear72us #4 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 16:15

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I'll buy it.

F1O1 #5 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 16:23

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l have put 75K experience into Tiger ll this past week all on frontline. No prem account and not using boosters.

My grind did not include tracks and turret which l free exp, and l had the engines from Panther line. 

60K went straight to the guns, but interestingly, still have not mounted L68 105 yet. Still have L71 88 equipped.

 

Reasoning? Well, frontline is littered with people favouring mobility and firepower. Tanks like progetto, Pantera, lorraine, LT432, M41GF, T44100, Skorp, Charioteer. You get the picture, these tanks do not require the excessive properties of the 105. 203mm AP is perfectly fine for these tanks, in most situations, unless you are shoot at hulldown LT432 and T44100, or at 500m ranges. To which even 225mm AP could fail too.  This way, you massively gain in rate of fire and DPM. The 88 also has the great property to perm-track enemies, something quite useful. The only problem is when you are confronted by Liberte and 252, which makes even 237mm APCR anemic. S1 TD, with their 30mm autobounce angle, does not allow the L71 88 to overmatch it either. But anyway, l will continue the grind in strongholds, and keep the 88, because in strongholds lots of progetto and lorraine as well.

 

Shame the L71 88 does not increase in DPM from the Tiger H, that certainly is odd considering usual up-tier-scaling. The dispersion soft stats and aim-time improve, but not DPM. Wonder why. Looking at the rate of fire on Caernarvon or Caernarvon A X, Tiger ll could use an 88 fire rate increase.

 

 

 



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View PostSteelRonin, on Feb 18 2019 - 15:08, said:

the VK 4503 have better mobility. far better. This Tiger II (H) will be sluggish as heck, like having a broken engine and a dead driver. But the VK is balanced and this new tank looks balanced to me, both are not better than the current Tiger 1, at least the Tiger II (H) won't be another OP soviet tank that surpass other soviet tanks

 

VK4503 needs to keep more of a mobility edge. And the entire roof needs to be 40mm not 25mm.

I suggest giving it VK45A turret traverse rotation, engine power, and reverse speed.

These won't break it at all, but give it a notable speed advantage

 

lnteresting, in that they did not Soviet bias the new lS-2M with lS tank dispersion stats, and its engine. Like what they did to T54 mod 1, T44100, and T3485M.

 

 

 



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Tiger II is a very hard tank to play at tier 8, under gunned, under armored, and too slow too. I enjoyed playing the VK4503 for awhile, but its too under armored to carry a bad team.  The German line heavy does need a better tank than the Tiger II at tier 8, moving it down a tier would help - but then what do you do for tier 8?

SteelRonin #8 Posted Feb 18 2019 - 17:11

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View PostF1O1, on Feb 18 2019 - 12:23, said:

l have put 75K experience into Tiger ll this past week all on frontline. No prem account and not using boosters.

My grind did not include tracks and turret which l free exp, and l had the engines from Panther line. 

60K went straight to the guns, but interestingly, still have not mounted L68 105 yet. Still have L71 88 equipped.

 

Reasoning? Well, frontline is littered with people favouring mobility and firepower. Tanks like progetto, Pantera, lorraine, LT432, M41GF, T44100, Skorp, Charioteer. You get the picture, these tanks do not require the excessive properties of the 105. 203mm AP is perfectly fine for these tanks, in most situations, unless you are shoot at hulldown LT432 and T44100, or at 500m ranges. To which even 225mm AP could fail too.  This way, you massively gain in rate of fire and DPM. The 88 also has the great property to perm-track enemies, something quite useful. The only problem is when you are confronted by Liberte and 252, which makes even 237mm APCR anemic. S1 TD, with their 30mm autobounce angle, does not allow the L71 88 to overmatch it either. But anyway, l will continue the grind in strongholds, and keep the 88, because in strongholds lots of progetto and lorraine as well.

 

Shame the L71 88 does not increase in DPM from the Tiger H, that certainly is odd considering usual up-tier-scaling. The dispersion soft stats and aim-time improve, but not DPM. Wonder why. Looking at the rate of fire on Caernarvon or Caernarvon A X, Tiger ll could use an 88 fire rate increase.

 

 

 

 

I 3 marked my Tiger 2 by using the L/71 only, I don't know how is the tank with the other guns, and I don't have intentions to use them. Yes, I used my Tiger 2 with stock gun in frontline mode, it is awesome until you encounter the tanks you described, the Caern AX, the Defender and the S1.

 

I won't increase the DPM by increasing the RoF, I would increase the DPM by increasing the Alpha. The PaK 43 was one of the best gun in WW2, and here is meh, because it causes 240 dmg average, while the Soviet tanks causes 390 and the Defender causes 490 damage per shot. German damage is so low, is unbelievable.

 

Moving the tiger 2 one tier down and decreasing the DPM and the mobility.....is like a big nerf instead of a buff. I will still buy it because the VK 4503 was not good for me, it is too paper for my taste.



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Well, they cannot go down that road. lt is how the game rates damages, by tying it to bore size and diameter.

For instance, 88mm guns used to be 220, and the L56 still is. They increased L71 and the unique L100 to 240.

Soviet and Chinese D10 100mm gun used to be 230, and they were increased to 250. 

English 32pdr  (94mm)  was 250, and has since been increased to 280, like the Cruiser ll 94mm howitzer

The English again, have the difficulty with the 20pdr guns, as 230 is quite low. Not only that, low DPM too.

English guns, so sad. 17pdr with 150. Only the early MK should have 150, MKVll  170 like new American and French light tank 75mm.

Soviet and Chinese 85mm guns, have plenty of room to move from, as low tier they are 160 and up to 200.

Not sure panzerwagon still has 320, when it should be 390. Or at least as the Italians 360

Panther L100 75 should 170 damage. Such a fat med, that only hits for 135.

 

But yes, 250 or 260 makes alot of sense. lt will help with the module damage needed for one-shot tracks. HE to 300 or 320.

These upgrades would make alot of sense for sure on the L100 for panther ll and E50. 

 

 

 

 

 






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