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24_inch_pythons #1 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 22:10

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 I've only played 8 games in it... but I can tell that the tank is a capable Tier VIII light. I prefer it over the Tier IX RU-251 tier for tier and I prefer it over the Blackdog, and over the HWK 12 - and not by a small margin, either.

 I personally don't like the RU-251. That's just me, the RU is pretty much universally regarded as a very good Tier IX light tank. But my opinion is that the RU-251 would be awesome if you moved it down a tier. It should be a Tier VIII, not a Tier IX. Well folks, that's exactly what the HWK 30 is, an RU that they moved down a tier and I love it.

https://tanks.gg/tank/hwk-30/stats?cs=ru-251 

Compared to the RU-251 the HWK 30 is a tier lower with:

- Insignificantly less DPM (60) and the same alpha (240)

- 28 less pen on the standard APCR round but the exact same premium and HE rounds!

- Almost identical gun handling. Just a bit more aim time, +0.09 seconds and +0.02 more dispersion on turret traverse. 

- 9 more rounds of ammo!

- Less horsepower but better terrain resistances. Same top and reverse speeds.

- Same view range.

 

 For all practical intents and purposes they straight up moved the RU-251 down to Tier VIII and adjusted its hitpoints and module health. That's it.

 I love it, I love it, I love it!



Cowcat137 #2 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 22:26

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I miss the old RU-251 with the 85KPH top speed (at 8).  This has some of that magic ?

24_inch_pythons #3 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 22:28

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View PostYANKEE137, on Mar 09 2019 - 15:26, said:

I miss the old RU-251 with the 85KPH top speed (at 8).  This has some of that magic ?

 

Sadly I never played the old RU...

But I don't think you'll be disappointed.



Killer0431 #4 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:05

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Of course it's worth it, it's just another premium that's miles better than its tech tree counterpart.

24_inch_pythons #5 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:12

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View PostKiller0431, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:05, said:

... another premium that's miles better than its tech tree counterpart.

 

It really is.

https://tanks.gg/tank/hwk-30/stats?cs=hwk-12



VooDooKobra #6 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:13

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View PostKiller0431, on Mar 09 2019 - 15:05, said:

Of course it's worth it, it's just another premium that's miles better than its tech tree counterpart.

 

you might want to watch guidos review before making that claim, its not miles better than anything its a good balanced light tank

24_inch_pythons #7 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:14

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View PostVooDooKobra, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:13, said:

 

you might want to watch guidos review before making that claim, its not miles better than anything its a good balanced light tank

 

Nope.

The facts speak for themselves - https://tanks.gg/tank/hwk-30/stats?cs=hwk-12



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View Post24_inch_pythons, on Mar 09 2019 - 17:14, said:

 

Nope.

The facts speak for themselves - https://tanks.gg/tank/hwk-30/stats?cs=hwk-12

 

I hate to be "that guy" but...the facts say the Cearnavon AX is better than the Defender...and yet...

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/defender/model

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...narvon-ax/model



VooDooKobra #9 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:24

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View Post24_inch_pythons, on Mar 09 2019 - 15:14, said:

 

Nope.

The facts speak for themselves - https://tanks.gg/tank/hwk-30/stats?cs=hwk-12

 

compare the 2 in game, because to me 7mm more pen is not miles better, 5 kmph forward and 1 in reverse is not miles better, 5/10/10 turret armor and 10/5mm hull armor is not miles better. 

 

50 more hp at tier 8 is miles better?  just because it is green on tanks.gg does not make it miles better than the tree counterpart in fact there are also values that are worse like aim time and specific power

 

i guess a mile isnt worth what it used to be


Edited by VooDooKobra, Mar 09 2019 - 23:25.


24_inch_pythons #10 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:28

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View Postkapri25, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:24, said:

 

I hate to be "that guy" but...the facts say the Cearnavon AX is better than the Defender...and yet...

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/defender/model

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...narvon-ax/model

 

I hate to be "that guy" but by comparing the Caernarvon AX to the Defender you're "comparing apples to oranges" and you know you are.

24_inch_pythons #11 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:37

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View PostVooDooKobra, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:24, said:

 

compare the 2 in game, because to me 7mm more pen is not miles better, 5 kmph forward and 1 in reverse is not miles better, 5/10/10 turret armor and 10/5mm hull armor is not miles better. 

 

50 more hp at tier 8 is miles better?  just because it is green on tanks.gg does not make it miles better than the tree counterpart in fact there are also values that are worse like aim time and specific power

 

i guess a mile isnt worth what it used to be

 

It's better in almost every single way. But if you really don't understand what is so bad about the HWK 12 then I'll help you out a little:

- Rear mounted turret ------> HWK 30 doesn't have a rear mounted turret so it is immediately and infinitely better than the HWK 12

- HWK 30 has infinitely better shell velocity. This fact alone makes the HWK 12 useless:

      Standard round on HWK 12 - AP 630 m/s     versus   HWK 30 - APCR 1030 m/s

      H.E.A.T. round on HWK 12 - 630 m/s            versus   HWK 30 - H.E.A.T 1145 m/s 

      H.E. round on HWK 12 - 338 m/s                  versus    HWK 30 - H.E. 755 m/s



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View Post24_inch_pythons, on Mar 09 2019 - 17:28, said:

 

I hate to be "that guy" but by comparing the Caernarvon AX to the Defender you're "comparing apples to oranges" and you know you are.

 

And you're not using "comparison" as well? Interesting though that you made this comment instead of refuting my point. Which still stands.

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It is literally no better than the leKpz M 41 90 mm.

 



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View PostDanadae, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:40, said:

It is literally no better than the leKpz M 41 90 mm.

 

 

Yes it is.

Danadae #15 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:43

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View Post24_inch_pythons, on Mar 09 2019 - 17:41, said:

 

Yes it is.

 

No, it isn't.

https://tanks.gg/com...-90-mm?t=hwk-30



24_inch_pythons #16 Posted Mar 09 2019 - 23:44

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View Postkapri25, on Mar 09 2019 - 16:40, said:

 

And you're not using "comparison" as well? Interesting though that you made this comment instead of refuting my point. Which still stands.

 

You're comparing an in your face high alpha brawler with a no armor (except for the turret - but even that is easily penetrated with H.E.A.T.) pew pew gun heavy.

I'm comparing same tier German light tanks.

buh-bye



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The HWK 30 and the leKpz M 41 90 mm have almost identically performing guns and ammo.

Except the HWK 30 will NEVER have better DPM than the leKpz M 41 90 mm.

Also the HWK 30 is easier to hit because it is huge compared to the leKpz M 41 90 mm.

Both same tier premiums from the same nation.


Edited by Danadae, Mar 09 2019 - 23:51.


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Anyone who says HWK 30 over Blackdog has a screw loose. I'd take all the tier 8 premium LTs, with the possible exception of the T92, over the HWK 30. There's really nothing exceptional about it. Good things...the view range and gun depression; HEP rounds can be fun. That's the best that can be said for it. 

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View Post24_inch_pythons, on Mar 09 2019 - 17:44, said:

 

You're comparing an in your face high alpha brawler with a no armor (except for the turret - but even that is easily penetrated with H.E.A.T.) pew pew gun heavy.

I'm comparing same tier German light tanks.

buh-bye

 

Right...because god forbid someone uses an example on how facts can be wrong in this game...

Top it off, you sit there and show us stats and want to preach on how great the tank supposedly is. Show us a video on how great it supposedly is...cause I have seen a couple played by good and unicum players who also think this tank is meh. 



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View PostDanadae, on Mar 09 2019 - 23:45, said:

The HWK 30 will NEVER have better DPM than the leKpz M 41 90 mm. Also the HWK 30 is easier to hit because it is huge compared to the leKpz M 41 90 mm. Both same tier premiums from the same nation.

 

If you're huge compared to a Blackdog then you are large indeed. 





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