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Swedish #21 Posted Sep 19 2011 - 15:24

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View Postloregothe, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:17, said:

They are better than the Panther II and the Pershing. In the field, they appear to be the best T8 Med. Which kinda sucks for the owners of the other T8 meds. They need to implement a trade in program for premium tanks, because I bet that nearly every KV-5 and Lowe driver would ditch thier rides in a heartbeat for the Type 59. It is a beast, and it rakes in the creds.

I don't think that's a good idea at all... I don't think people will have much fun playing in games with 5-7 of these things when they're so powerful... and that would happen if there was a trade in program. I mean who wouldn't trade for this tank?

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View Postbillpete, on Sep 19 2011 - 13:30, said:

It has completely ruined the game for me.

I was just in a match where there were 4 on the other team--guess who won.  Of course, we had none on our team.

They should be a Tier 9 tank.  I cannot kill them in the Panther, Tiger I, or Pershing when I am one on one with them.
Panther = tier 7; Tiger I = tier 7.  Why should you be able to defeat them when you are 1 vs. 1 against them?

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View Post120mm_he, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:21, said:

/fixed.

Granted it has an awesome credit multiplyer but as a straight up tank its not as good as the t-44 as its just way too slow.

Not sure where you're getting these impressions from but they definitely don't match with mine. I'd have no qualms about soloing a T44 in my Type 59. The T44 is faster, but definitely not "way" faster.

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View PostDingBat, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:25, said:

Not sure where you're getting these impressions from but they definitely don't match with mine. I'd have no qualms about soloing a T44 in my Type 59. The T44 is faster, but definitely not "way" faster.


I'm getting these impressions from my exhaustive test server play.

The type 59 is inferior to the t-44.

Hell I never lost a lowe to one as its simply too slow to circle any tank and its subpar gun bounced alot.

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Slow 232 pen tank finds armored medium unimpressive; more frightened by fast medium.

How strange.

Mastoras #26 Posted Sep 19 2011 - 15:43

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You pay $30, you expect to get something decent out of it, its practically a slightly older game price for it. Im so glad i got the Type 59...it single handily just kept me from not doing another premium to maybe going another month. I finally have a money making tank, that is REALLY fun. I couldnt stand the Lowe from day 1, but it did bring money in, it just wasnt a very fun tank at all for me.

If anything the Type 59 will probably be raised in gold price, as its a much better purchase then the KV5 for the same gold price. In fact, id say the Lowe should drop in price, cuz it doesnt make any more money then the Type 59, it doesnt justify the big price increase now that the Type 59 is out imo.

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View PostSwedish, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:24, said:

I don't think that's a good idea at all... I don't think people will have much fun playing in games with 5-7 of these things when they're so powerful... and that would happen if there was a trade in program. I mean who wouldn't trade for this tank?

That is the point. When something is so good that if you offered a trade, 90% (internet stats I know) of the people would trade theirs in, something is wrong. This was not what you would call a real suggestion, it was a method to make a point.

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View PostPrav, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:37, said:

Slow 232 pen tank finds armored medium unimpressive; more frightened by fast medium.

How strange.


My point exactly. The type 59 is a terrible medium tank as its too slow.

If it wasn't for the stellar credit multiplyer there would be rage threads instead of zomg profit! threads.

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As far as gold tanks and money making. I am all for it. I have a Lowe. The Lowe however is not better than the non-prem T8 heavies. Maybe better than the T32 but that isn't the Lowe's fault, it is the  T32's broken armor. It could be even toned down a little and still be ok because the point is not to dominate with it, but to make money. The Type 59 is better than the T8 mediums except arguably the T44 although, I know people who say it is better than the T44 as well. Sure it can be killed, everything can. But it is measurably better than the non-prem tanks. I am not a fan of that.

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View Post120mm_he, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:31, said:

Hell I never lost a lowe to one as its simply too slow to circle any tank and its subpar gun bounced alot.

I just solo'd a Lowe in my Type 59 yesterday and this was after I spotted him 2 good hits. He came after me and I just circled him pounding him in the engine compartment until he was dead. He never hit me again. I did set him on fire with one shot so that might be the difference. Every shot penetrated.

I've also penn'd Lowes lower frontal armor with the Type 59 gun.

Clearly our experiences are polar opposites. Perhaps they changed the tank after test?

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Agree with the OP the addition of T-59 is not good.  I buy gold to transfer XP to free XP frequently so I feel I support the game.  Playing tier 5 farm tanks and non premium to earn credits is a lot harder, not much you can do in a  tier 5 against T-59.  At least Lowe and KV-5 are slow and can be avoided or flanked.  With the large number of players in China this is a pretty blatant money grab by WoT.  Welcome to the World of pay to win.

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View Postloregothe, on Sep 19 2011 - 15:51, said:

As far as gold tanks and money making. I am all for it. I have a Lowe. The Lowe however is not better than the non-prem T8 heavies. Maybe better than the T32 but that isn't the Lowe's fault, it is the  T32's broken armor. It could be even toned down a little and still be ok because the point is not to dominate with it, but to make money. The Type 59 is better than the T8 mediums except arguably the T44 although, I know people who say it is better than the T44 as well. Sure it can be killed, everything can. But it is measurably better than the non-prem tanks. I am not a fan of that.

I'd rank the T8 mediums as: Pershing, Type 59, T44, Panther 2

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I think I say a similar Topic when the Lowe and the KV-5 came out....They don't bother me a bit I got one as well as a KV-5,Lowe even thow I have a T59 one of these day ill plan to grind up to the T-54...My goal for this game is to Elite and play every tank in the game the Lowe KV-5 and Type 59 as well as a few other elites tank will help me with this goal.....

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View PostDingBat, on Sep 19 2011 - 16:27, said:

I just solo'd a Lowe in my Type 59 yesterday and this was after I spotted him 2 good hits. He came after me and I just circled him pounding him in the engine compartment until he was dead. He never hit me again. I did set him on fire with one shot so that might be the difference. Every shot penetrated.

I've also penn'd Lowes lower frontal armor with the Type 59 gun.

Clearly our experiences are polar opposites. Perhaps they changed the tank after test?


No, you just haven't went up againt a good lowe driver that knows how to use both the hull traverse and turret traverse to knock your type 59 to a smoking ruin long before it can do any appreciable damage.

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View Post120mm_he, on Sep 19 2011 - 16:49, said:

No, you just haven't went up againt a good lowe driver that knows how to use both the hull traverse and turret traverse to knock your type 59 to a smoking ruin long before it can do any appreciable damage.

The same could be said of your experience with Type 59s, right?

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He is right in that a Löwe shouldn't have any trouble with Type 59s, considering the gun will go through just about anywhere, and the Type 59 isn't that fast.

But not every tank is a Löwe, and most that face Type 59s have significant problems penetrating them unless the 59er is dumb enough to give them clean side shots - and it's not that slow either, so it's not like you can outmaneuver it for a better angle.

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View PostDingBat, on Sep 19 2011 - 16:53, said:

The same could be said of your experience with Type 59s, right?


Nope. The test server has some really good players concentrated on it unlike the vast genetic reject cesspool known as the normal server.

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got my chinese farmer today and played 10 games to see how good it really is. ITS DAMN GOOD! works really awesome when u have the experience of driving russian medium tanks.
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LOL one tank "ruined the game" for you guys? Wow what a bunch of cry babies. You guys need to play a real "pay to win" game. Imagine if you can "refine" your gun to gain more penetration and damage by using gold, or refine your armor to gain more HP for your tank, and the more you refine, the more HP you have and better gun you have. Now that's pay to win. (Check out Perfect World International if you don't believe me)

View Postbillpete, on Sep 19 2011 - 13:01, said:

I think that the T59 has changed the game--for the worse.

I am routinely matched up against them in my Tiger, and in my last battle against one, I lost.  I hit him 3 times (2 x AP, 1 x HE) and did no damage.  He killed me in 4 shots.

They should be placed higher in the matches, and you never see just one of them.  There are always three, and they are on the other team.

It's a TIGER. My T-44 will roll your tiger. T59 is pretty much a medium heavy, good armor and slower than meds. A tier 8 heavy like the KT will roll your tiger, so nothing wrong with T59 beating your tiger.  

View Postbillpete, on Sep 19 2011 - 13:30, said:

It has completely ruined the game for me.

I was just in a match where there were 4 on the other team--guess who won.  Of course, we had none on our team.

They should be a Tier 9 tank.  I cannot kill them in the Panther, Tiger I, or Pershing when I am one on one with them.
It's a tier 8. Let me guess, the other tier 8s on your team failed? Why are you complaining about not able to kill T59 with Panther, or Tiger when you can't kill IS-3, KT, Lowe, T-44  with those tanks? If you can't kill it with Pershing then idk, treat it like a tier 8 heavy?

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View Postbillpete, on Sep 19 2011 - 13:01, said:

I think that the T59 has changed the game--for the worse.

I am routinely matched up against them in my Tiger, and in my last battle against one, I lost.  I hit him 3 times (2 x AP, 1 x HE) and did no damage.  He killed me in 4 shots.

They should be placed higher in the matches, and you never see just one of them.  There are always three, and they are on the other team.
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