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kolokoloklok, on Apr 19 2012 - 02:48, said:

i agree the t-59 is a game ruiner, i have played alot and even though i have experience its impossible to hurt it with a tier 5 tank.

Uh... I don't think a Tier 5 should be able to hurt ANY Tier 8 Tank. (PS: Unless it's French.. of course.)

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Pandy, on Apr 25 2012 - 00:30, said:

Uh... I don't think a Tier 5 should be able to hurt ANY Tier 8 Tank. (PS: Unless it's French.. of course.)

the kv can damage a type 59, rather easily, just doesnt do ALOT of dmage

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the kv can damage a type 59, rather easily, just doesnt do ALOT of dmage

Depends. The Type's side armor is fairly thin, including on the turret. The 107mm can penetrate the sides and rear quite easily (and taking 300 damage is not nothing for a 1,300 HP tank), while a 152mm HE shot that hits the lower-rear part of the turret can be absolutely devastating (might do something like 300+ damage if it doesn't penetrate, depending on the exact impact spot - and actually has a not-unreasonable chance of going through and doing full damage).

The same applies for other lower-tier vehicles. For example, any Tier 6 TD - including the JagdPanzer IV - can penetrate the Type from the side. Here, it is also useful to remember that tracking a Type moving at close to full speed tends to turn it around by ~45 degrees or so (inertia and all that).

Now, if a Tier 5-6 tank just stands there and goes head to head with a Type, things become tough (especially for mediums and TDs). At that point, the best strategy (assuming that one isn't able to retreat) is to clinch and aim for the commander's hatch while hoping that the Type's aim is spoiled. But then, a Tier 5-6 isn't supposed to engage any Tier 8 medium directly and at close range. That's the whole point of the 2-3 tier difference. Rather, the appropriate tactic is to let someone else engage and then work for a flank shot - even better if you can do this at stand-off ranges (350 meters plus) and from cover, since the Type's vision is decent but not fantastic.

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Screw the Type 59 tank and the people that bought it lazy *removed*

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When I first started playing this game, I ran into lots of T59s in my Tier 6-7 tanks. I raged and raged about how OP they were...so I went out and bought one for myself

In all seriousness though...the T59 is ridiculously easy to damage, track, knock out critical components etc. The only reason people think it is OP is that the T59's strengths lend themselves to hyper aggressive, in-your-face gameplay. That's pretty much all it is good at doing. If the Type isn't played that way, it will get killed very quickly.

Haven't you seen games where noobs in Types tried to peek-a-boo, camp or snipe and got slaughtered?

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Pandy, on Apr 25 2012 - 00:30, said:

Uh... I don't think a Tier 5 should be able to hurt ANY Tier 8 Tank. (PS: Unless it's French.. of course.)

What are you talking about? I can damage Tier 8 tanks with my Tier 5 tanks easily. I just have to remember to aim for weak spots.

Like the sides of the T59 and its cupola.

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billpete, on Sep 19 2011 - 13:30, said:

It has completely ruined the game for me.

I was just in a match where there were 4 on the other team--guess who won.  Of course, we had none on our team.

They should be a Tier 9 tank.  I cannot kill them in the Panther, Tiger I, or Pershing when I am one on one with them.

I think you have the "Type syndrome", which I happened to have too. I would search for no Types in the enemy team before starting the battle, and found myself relieved when there were not any. My fear got to a point that I thoug the Types would seek and go for ME. I bought the thing yesterday, and besides the good speed and maneuvreability, the Type has nothing to be feared of. Moneymaker? YES

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eisen1973, on May 11 2012 - 10:41, said:

the Type has nothing to be feared of.

Yeah, okay buddy, whatever you say.

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TimedParadox, on May 11 2012 - 11:08, said:

Yeah, okay buddy, whatever you say.

If you're in a tier 7 and higher and you fear a T59, then you suck
If you're in a tier 5/6 you just have to aim carefully and play smart when fighting a T59 ( admittedly its not easy with a tier 5, unless its one of the tier 5 light tanks )
If you're in tier 4 and lower then you deserve to get killed by a T59 as you're platooning with higher tiers

People need to stop looking for excuses, admit they are bad, and get better

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TimedParadox, on May 11 2012 - 11:08, said:

Yeah, okay buddy, whatever you say.

Well, according to your profile, the highest tank you have is the T-25/2.  The top gun on the T25/2 gives you 10 more average damage for 5 less average pen compared to the Type 59's 100mm.  Your tier 7 TD matches the firepower of the "almighty" Type 59, and has better accel, camo, ammo, accuracy...

The HE shot of a KV-2 can pen the hull sides of a type 59.  HE penetrating shots usually hit for a ton of damage, and the 152 hits for what now? Tops 1000 and some?  Type only has 1300 hp.  That's almost a one-shot on a tank 2 tiers above it.  If you don't think that's possible, I've one-shot a KV-3 (the old one with 860ish hp) with the 152 and it's armor was and still is thicker.

Back when KV-2 was Tier 5, I shot a Type 59 at 15% in the "supa OP" front turret and killed it.  And now, at tier 6, the KV-2 has better HP while all the other tanks (other than the new ones) stayed the same....and has always been able to smack and track any tank in the game.

You have two tanks that can kill the Type 59 right there.

Edited by 1SLUGGO1, May 11 2012 - 14:36.

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1SLUGGO1, on May 11 2012 - 14:36, said:

Well, according to your profile, the highest tank you have is the T-25/2.  The top gun on the T25/2 gives you 10 more average damage for 5 less average pen compared to the Type 59's 100mm.  Your tier 7 TD matches the firepower of the "almighty" Type 59, and has better accel, camo, ammo, accuracy...

The HE shot of a KV-2 can pen the hull sides of a type 59.  HE penetrating shots usually hit for a ton of damage, and the 152 hits for what now? Tops 1000 and some?  Type only has 1300 hp.  That's almost a one-shot on a tank 2 tiers above it.  If you don't think that's possible, I've one-shot a KV-3 (the old one with 860ish hp) with the 152 and it's armor was and still is thicker.

Back when KV-2 was Tier 5, I shot a Type 59 at 15% in the "supa OP" front turret and killed it.  And now, at tier 6, the KV-2 has better HP while all the other tanks (other than the new ones) stayed the same....and has always been able to smack and track any tank in the game.

You have two tanks that can kill the Type 59 right there.

All you type 59 defenders can come up with is, "it dies to being stupid" or "the tank that can pretty much *removed* up everyone else can kill it too" while completely ignoring every other scenario.  

There's something off about the tank when I can "penetrate" it and deal absolutely no damage to it's health 5 hits in a row (this is with the upgraded T25/2 gun).  In fact, the one I fought recently managed to hold a hill all on his own because no one could seem to damage it, it was full of holes on it's hull and it wasn't until a Grille decided to ruin it's day that it finally started taking damage.  In fact, the only time I managed to do damage was when I killed it because it was going to suicide in a t-150 with low health and I managed to hit it towards the rear on the side at pretty much 90 degrees.

It also managed to penetrate KV-5s just fine.

The only idiots I see doing poorly in Types are the ones who rush, and even then they manage to kill one or two people before going down if there isn't anything with some serious punch nearby.

Please keep the insults and profanity off the forums.   Warned. ~ Brygin

Edited by Brygin, May 15 2012 - 23:57.

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TimedParadox, on May 11 2012 - 23:42, said:

All you type 59 defenders can come up with is, "it dies to being stupid" or "the tank that can pretty much fuck up everyone else can kill it too" while completely ignoring every other scenario.  

There's something off about the tank when I can "penetrate" it and deal absolutely no damage to it's health 5 hits in a row (this is with the upgraded T25/2 gun).  In fact, the one I fought recently managed to hold a hill all on his own because no one could seem to damage it, it was full of holes on it's hull and it wasn't until a Grille decided to ruin it's day that it finally started taking damage.  In fact, the only time I managed to do damage was when I killed it because it was going to suicide in a t-150 with low health and I managed to hit it towards the rear on the side at pretty much 90 degrees.

It also managed to penetrate KV-5s just fine.

The only idiots I see doing poorly in Types are the ones who rush, and even then they manage to kill one or two people before going down if there isn't anything with some serious punch nearby.

If you think this is just the T59, then you haven't been playing very long. This is nothing to do with the T59 and EVERYTHING to do with the RNG having a shit fit. Just today I hit a T32 in its ASS 4 times EVERY shot penned....ZERO damage....and this was with the M103, I didn't come to the forums saying " OMFG the T32 is OP " I just clicked next battle and got on with it

Edited by Tolos, May 11 2012 - 23:48.

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Tolos, on May 11 2012 - 23:47, said:

If you think this is just the T59, then you haven't been playing very long. This is nothing to do with the T59 and EVERYTHING to do with the RNG having a shit fit. Just today I hit a T32 in its ASS 4 times EVERY shot penned....ZERO damage....and this was with the M103, I didn't come to the forums saying " OMFG the T32 is OP " I just clicked next battle and got on with it

Except the Type 59 is the only one that produces the same result almost every time.

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TimedParadox, on May 12 2012 - 00:22, said:

Except the Type 59 is the only one that produces the same result almost every time.

Sure it does, funny how it NEVER happens to me OR anyone I know, only you

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I think the problem is people hear stories from when the T59 was god mode or from players like myself and Tolos who can make 100k in it and expect the same. The average T59 driver should be happy to average 40-50k in one. If u think thats rough I have to have a great game to make 40k in my T-44.

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TimedParadox, on May 11 2012 - 23:42, said:

All you type 59 defenders can come up with is, "it dies to being stupid" or "the tank that can pretty much fuck up everyone else can kill it too" while completely ignoring every other scenario.  

There's something off about the tank when I can "penetrate" it and deal absolutely no damage to it's health 5 hits in a row (this is with the upgraded T25/2 gun).  In fact, the one I fought recently managed to hold a hill all on his own because no one could seem to damage it, it was full of holes on it's hull and it wasn't until a Grille decided to ruin it's day that it finally started taking damage.  In fact, the only time I managed to do damage was when I killed it because it was going to suicide in a t-150 with low health and I managed to hit it towards the rear on the side at pretty much 90 degrees.

It also managed to penetrate KV-5s just fine.

The only idiots I see doing poorly in Types are the ones who rush, and even then they manage to kill one or two people before going down if there isn't anything with some serious punch nearby.

Don't shoot tracks.
Don't shoot front turret
Don't shoot anywhere that might have modules

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Tolos, on May 12 2012 - 00:24, said:

Sure it does, funny how it NEVER happens to me OR anyone I know, only you

Sure it does, funny how it ALWAYS happens to me AND anyone I know, but not you

xiantom, on May 12 2012 - 01:34, said:

Don't shoot tracks.
Don't shoot front turret
Don't shoot anywhere that might have modules

So where do I shoot?

Edited by TimedParadox, May 12 2012 - 04:58.

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TimedParadox, on May 12 2012 - 04:57, said:

Sure it does, funny how it ALWAYS happens to me AND anyone I know, but not you



So where do I shoot?

If you do need to shoot a T59's frontal armor, aim for the splashboard. I don't know if lower tier guns will go through, but my IS with the 175 pen D25T damaged T59s just fine shooting at the splashboard.

Also, if the Type is facehugging you, try to shoot straight down his barrel especially with HE. My gun gets knocked out all the time from people spamming my gun at close range with HE.

Shooting at the seam between the turret and the hull will often jam the turret.
On second thought...why the heck am I telling you this? I don't need another person finding out how easy it is to kill a type. Grrrr

Edited by 15kane, May 15 2012 - 02:36.

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TimedParadox, on May 12 2012 - 04:57, said:

Sure it does, funny how it ALWAYS happens to me AND anyone I know, but not you



So where do I shoot?

Front hull, at splash board or headlights. Commander's cupoula. All aren't exactly easy to hit though. Never shoot the lower glacis unless it's cresting a hill.

[RuthlessBastard]

I got my type 59 four days ago or so. And I dont know whats all the hype about. They are not that great. I love my LOWE better than all my prem tanks I got kv5 t34 as well. They are ok med tank. The gun is nothing special does little damage and not acurate so get your head on straight and beat them up already.