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Concerto_in_C #1 Posted Mar 17 2019 - 06:41

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They hope to win by shooting gold rounds but those are so expensive the tank loses money and it will never make a profit.

 



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M831A1 Training HEAT rounds :-)   

 

And the loader needs to clean and lube the breach.  Lifting the aft-cap deflector (2:02) doesn't do diddly, and the crew got lucky on time.



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View PostConcerto_in_C, on Mar 16 2019 - 23:41, said:

They hope to win by shooting gold rounds but those are so expensive the tank loses money and it will never make a profit.

 

 

Thanks for sharing this.  I love this kind of stuff.

 

It seems a bit inefficient the way it's set up, but what do I know.

 



Rocker_Box #4 Posted Mar 17 2019 - 07:32

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 Thanks for sharing!

 Made me chuckle just a bit, many moons ago I had to feed ammunition to one side of a Naval Mk-33  3"/50 dual mount... at 20+ rnds a min. That loader looks like he's on vacation to me! 

 

 Slinging that ammunition about in a timely fashion is most definitely a young man's game!


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jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #5 Posted Mar 17 2019 - 08:21

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terrible. they literally have to wear gas masks during training... even russians who dont care about their people much use autoloaders.

 

and save on a crew member.



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Why are they in gas apparatus? 

Seems awfully cumbersome and uncomfortable

An  M1Abrams has an effective ventilation, overpressure, and NBC system for that. Gas masks?

 



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By th e way p remium rounds are a reality.

 

Russians won't hesitate to fire first, with a tube fired double or triple tandem HEAT anti-tank missile out of their 125mm.

Likewise, the Americans are working on research towards a medium range tube fired anti-tank missile, and already have extremely potent 5fth generation depleted uranium sabot penetrators equipping primary 120mm guns and tank cavalry.  Germany, with the research and development from Rheinmetall,  are already working on next generation 140 and 150mm gun projects, to equip the next decades of tanks to come.

 

Do you think armed ground forces play by the rules? And use a basic armour piercing penetrator from the 1960s?  You must be comedians. 

 

 



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View PostF1O1, on Mar 17 2019 - 08:40, said:

Why are they in gas apparatus? 

Seems awfully cumbersome and uncomfortable

An  M1Abrams has an effective ventilation, overpressure, and NBC system for that. Gas masks?

 

 

It’s a single engagement on a very large scenario based table. In this particular scenario, the simulation is the NBC system is non operational. 

 

Your tank is not always going to be fully operational. We tankers know that and train for it. 


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View Post1stTanks, on Mar 17 2019 - 10:03, said:

 

It’s a single engagement on a very large scenario based table. In this particular scenario, the simulation is the NBC system is non operational. 

 

Your tank is not always going to be fully operational. We tankers know that and train for it. 

 

lf an NBC system is out-of-order, and the war-zone was declared radioactive, filled with nuclear isotopes,  what protection level does the serviceman JSLIST suit offer?  lt is no better than a rain-coat. Having a partially operational tank isn't a substitute to have trained men suffer consequences. 

 



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View PostF1O1, on Mar 17 2019 - 10:36, said:

 

lf an NBC system is out-of-order, and the war-zone was declared radioactive, filled with nuclear isotopes,  what protection level does the serviceman JSLIST suit offer?  lt is no better than a rain-coat. Having a partially operational tank isn't a substitute to have trained men suffer consequences. 

 

 

LOL ok man. I was just answering your question. 

 

If you have issues with the way the US military trains its troops for NBC combat, feel free to write your local congressman


Edited by 1stTanks, Mar 17 2019 - 11:42.


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NBC training sucks, no matter the machine! Sabot Up!

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View PostF1O1, on Mar 17 2019 - 04:36, said:

 

lf an NBC system is out-of-order, and the war-zone was declared radioactive, filled with nuclear isotopes,  what protection level does the serviceman JSLIST suit offer?  lt is no better than a rain-coat. Having a partially operational tank isn't a substitute to have trained men suffer consequences. 

 

 

It doesn't matter, you train how the scenarios dictate. If the system fails and the troops don't know how to protect themselves to keep the machine going and rounds on target, then everything is useless. However, if the troops can fight in MOPP 4 regardless of the contamination then the machine is still winning engagement's until the situation changes.

 

Regardless, show me a tank company with 40 M1's and I will show you a tank company with at least 5 tanks that are NMC for one reason or another. Not all tanks are fully servicible. 



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View Postjsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1, on Mar 17 2019 - 01:21, said:

terrible. they literally have to wear gas masks during training... even russians who dont care about their people much use autoloaders.

 

and save on a crew member.

 

I've yet to see an auto-loader pull guard

I've yet to see an auto-loader pull do maintenance

I've yet to see an auto-loader pull assist in stowing it's own ammo

I've yet to see an auto-loader pull tighten track bolts

 

Stay in your lane.



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View PostF1O1, on Mar 17 2019 - 02:40, said:

Why are they in gas apparatus? 

Seems awfully cumbersome and uncomfortable

An  M1Abrams has an effective ventilation, overpressure, and NBC system for that. Gas masks?

 

 

It's a gunnery exercise.  There are numerous scenario's, this one just so happens to replicate a chemical environment.  They don't have to wear the masks in the previous, nor the subsequent engagements.

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View Post1stTanks, on Mar 17 2019 - 04:41, said:

 

LOL ok man. I was just answering your question. 

 

If you have issues with the way the US military trains its troops for NBC combat, feel free to write your local congressman

 

ROFLMAO!    I'd love to use his arguments with the TCE's during the AAR.   Imagine the looks :-)

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View PostRaynorShyne, on Mar 17 2019 - 16:50, said:

 

ROFLMAO!    I'd love to use his arguments with the TCE's during the AAR.   Imagine the looks :-)

 

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This thread is a good example of why I try and never discuss technical details of tanking with people who have zero combat training/experience. :facepalm:

Primace #18 Posted Mar 18 2019 - 03:40

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isn't that the depleted uranium rounds supposed to be gold? it will give the loaders cancers

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View PostF1O1, on Mar 17 2019 - 08:40, said:

Why are they in gas apparatus? 

 

 

 

im going to guess "instructions from someone with a higher rank"

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View Post1stTanks, on Mar 17 2019 - 11:25, said:

 

:trollface:

 

Hey 1st, were you in the 1st MARDIV?




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