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Zeds_Tank #21 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 15:30

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Keep diminishing slow-click opportunities, adding twitchy opportunities, going to get closer and closer to appealing less to casual pvp'er and more esport types.
As much as many might certainly favor that, I don't think WoT can compete with less random pvp games. And I suspect a lot who play WoT prefer a slower click-rate game.
But heck, the vocal crowds want it, and I have no idea what actual in-game data shows.

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It would be nice to see the M44 get a bit of a nerf in some capacity. At the moment I am progressing through tier 5, 6 and 7 mostly, with the M44 and 105 leFH18B2 making my eyes bleed with rage some days. Never mind the constant 3,5,7 tier 8 matches I am getting at tier 6.

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I agree with 2 limit per team, sounds good.  The update to the stun/damage radius is a no brainer.  Spell liner should of had this protection all along, that was what it was meant for( well daaah ).

BUT, to make the limits on range to 445? wrong! long range is it strength. Remove its shotgun ability? Sounds like someone wants an easy kill and not work for it. Even arty needs to be able to defend itself.  smoke rounds?  with the way arty is set up atm with very long reload, it would only handicap them even more. remember an arty only gets about a 30% hit rate, low damage/dpm on avg, so why are so many still crying about arty when there are so many op tanks in game that no one cries about?



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Two autoloader SPG is not fun. Period 

Prayton007 #25 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 15:35

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Two autoloader SPG is not fun. Period 

 

Very true, if 2 are in que? put 1 on each team at least. 



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View PostPrayton007, on Mar 22 2019 - 11:31, said:

I agree with 2 limit per team, sounds good.  The update to the stun/damage radius is a no brainer.  Spell liner should of had this protection all along, that was what it was meant for( well daaah ).

BUT, to make the limits on range to 445? wrong! long range is it strength. Remove its shotgun ability? Sounds like someone wants an easy kill and not work for it. Even arty needs to be able to defend itself.  smoke rounds?  with the way arty is set up atm with very long reload, it would only handicap them even more. remember an arty only gets about a 30% hit rate, low damage/dpm on avg, so why are so many still crying about arty when there are so many op tanks in game that no one cries about?

 

The limit of 445 is to force players to relocate more often. 

Removing the shotgun ability is a no brainer..... (I play arty)

The assistance rounds would need a shorter reload

 



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View Postfire_raven, on Mar 22 2019 - 15:09, said:

 Increase the value of a counter-battery kill by arty to make some people actually do it. I love doing CB and if there are 3 arty on one side, I let them support and go arty hunting. Make it more attractive for the non-team player types to go counter battery. Give arty back some of its speed to add more difficulty to CB. It might reduce arty concentration fire but still allow support to punish camping too long or lower tiers trying to take on some the ridiculous bigger tanks by themselves.
  Plus another thread mentioned bigger maps which would also reduce arty's ability to focus on one small section of the map, provided the usual lemming tactics are still not used. There are parts on some maps I can blind fire and know I will probably hit a heavy tank player because it's so predictable.  Rocking back and forth less than the length of your ranks just makes you an attractive target. 

 

I agree with your CB idea, but stop telling the heavies what they are doing wrong, I need that extra dmg lol.

General_Lee_Miserable #28 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 15:44

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Those hoping that WG limits arty to 2 or even less per team are going to be very disappointed. There are a lot of arty players and WG isn't going to shut out a large group of players from the game with extremely long Q times. Those are paying players so it would be a bad business decision. 

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View PostThe_Illusive_Man, on Mar 22 2019 - 07:26, said:

 

ABOUT FING TIME!!!

 

After watching the video, here is my feedback:

 

  1. Reduce the amount in each battle to 2
  2. Reduce the number of researchable arty (T6-T8)
  3. Give then smoke and illumination rounds (you have this in FL, so use it in randoms)
  4. Reduce the range of all arty to 445 meters
  5. Eliminate the shotgun ability entirely. 
  6. Increase the mobility on all SPG's.
  7. Add more true arty cover to open maps.

 

  1. I could live with that - as long as you cap all other classes at 3
  2. Uh - no.  We need arty lines for the Italians, Swedes, and Polish lines, followed by the Chinese, Japanese and Czecs later
  3. Sounds good
  4. Ridiculous.  Do this only if you limit all other vehicles to 200m
  5. "Eliminate the ability to defend themselves or fire their gun"....ok
  6. LOL Like the E-100 chassis is going to flaunt along at 60kph?
  7. What about just 'New maps'?


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View PostThe_Illusive_Man, on Mar 22 2019 - 15:38, said:

 

The limit of 445 is to force players to relocate more often. 

Removing the shotgun ability is a no brainer..... (I play arty)

The assistance rounds would need a shorter reload

 

 

CB will make you move, just arty players need to try it more. Arty reloads are long, so relocate between shot is the smart thing to do. If smoke rounds are used, make it separate from regular fire rate with a very limited rounds per match or time limits. But remember that smoke rounds were AW idea so lets not start coping other games so much. With the limit you want on range would end the need for arty all together as you would be spotter right off the bat. once spotted, your dead. 

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View PostRaynorShyne, on Mar 22 2019 - 09:44, said:

 

 

​It's an SPG balance - not an overall vehicle balance. Big difference 

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WG seems to forget that arty players spend money in there game just like everyone else so why is arty always the one to get screwed.

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View Postcavalry11, on Mar 22 2019 - 11:48, said:

WG seems to forget that arty players spend money in there game just like everyone else so why is arty always the one to get screwed.

 

Because its the most brain dead class..... I only play it to know how to counter it.... Also, most players hate it, so not sure why its still not removed.....

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View PostShammalammadingdong, on Mar 22 2019 - 08:09, said:

Just buy arty out.  Free ex and credits to compensate.  Everyone wins

 

There's not enough of either

RaynorShyne #35 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 15:59

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View PostZeds_Tank, on Mar 22 2019 - 08:30, said:

Keep diminishing slow-click opportunities, adding twitchy opportunities, going to get closer and closer to appealing less to casual pvp'er and more esport types.
As much as many might certainly favor that, I don't think WoT can compete with less random pvp games. And I suspect a lot who play WoT prefer a slower click-rate game.
But heck, the vocal crowds want it, and I have no idea what actual in-game data shows.

 

The vocal crowds from where??   NA is their smallest market

RaynorShyne #36 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 16:00

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View PostLeaveIT2Beaver, on Mar 22 2019 - 08:33, said:

Two autoloader SPG is not fun. Period 

 

More and more auto-loading tanks aren't fun either.  Period.

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No changes are needed... just limit them to 1 per team in randoms. My opinion.

13Jake55 #38 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 16:14

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And now the premium ammo nerfs are next.

RaynorShyne #39 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 16:19

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The only thing that will keep the arty haters happy is just removing it from the game completely and utterly.  

 

Then we;ll be all sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.

 

You can tell that by the endless, biased polls that repeatedly show arty is not the problem and the community doesn't want it removed.   There are legitimate debates about damage, the stun mechanic, and number-per, but the peripheral white-noise is deafening.  



FMC4728 #40 Posted Mar 22 2019 - 16:22

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May have already been said ... didn't read all ... one way to lessen the complaining about Arty is to remove the Personal Missions that require them.  People playing Arty that wouldn't have before or playing more of it to complete PMs.  They keep neutering it.  Death by a thousand cuts ... just remove it then.




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