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DrB33t #1 Posted Mar 28 2019 - 03:36

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The German tier tens need to be denazified. This is for two reasons: First, it's kind of weird to have Nazi vehicles at the end of a game that runs into the cold war. Second, the failure to include post-war German vehicles has led to German tanks being uptiered beyond their effective scope. This has lead to all kinds of crazy buffs to German vehicles; buffs which are completely unnecessary. Here is my suggestion for a German tech tree redesign.

 

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PAP0 #2 Posted Mar 28 2019 - 03:43

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I don't see any Swastika on any of the German tier 10s. If you're offended by the Iron Cross, the Iron Cross isn't a symbol of Nazism.

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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 27 2019 - 18:36, said:

This has lead to all kinds of crazy buffs to German vehicles; buffs which are completely unnecessary. 

 

German vehicles get buffed?



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View PostPAP0, on Mar 28 2019 - 02:43, said:

I don't see any Swastika on any of the German tier 10s. If you're offended by the Iron Cross, the Iron Cross isn't a symbol of Nazism.

 

This has nothing to do with symbols. This has to do with WW2 tanks at a cold war tier despite that faction losing the war.

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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 27 2019 - 18:47, said:

 

This has nothing to do with symbols. This has to do with WW2 tanks at a cold war tier despite that faction losing the war.

 

So losing a war dictates which tanks get into this game and which don't? In that case all Soviet vehicles should be removed, after all, the Soviet Union collapsed.

 

I also find it hilarious that the ability to fire missiles is in your chart of changes.


Edited by PAP0, Mar 28 2019 - 03:51.


DrB33t #6 Posted Mar 28 2019 - 03:52

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View PostPAP0, on Mar 28 2019 - 02:49, said:

 

So losing a war dictates which tanks get into this game and which don't? In that case all Soviet vehicles should be removed, after all, the Soviet Union collapsed.

 

Soviet Union collapsed long after the historical focus of this game.

 

View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Mar 28 2019 - 02:47, said:

 

German vehicles get buffed?

 

They are buffed far beyond the historical versions of themselves. They are overtiered.

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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 27 2019 - 18:52, said:

They are buffed far beyond the historical versions of themselves. They are overtiered.

 

Since when is this game based on historical figures anyways?

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View PostPAP0, on Mar 28 2019 - 02:55, said:

 

Since when is this game based on historical figures anyways?

 

It's not. But German tanks are still overtiered and overbuffed.

Desert_Fox_1969 #9 Posted Mar 28 2019 - 04:00

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Looks like someone has way too much time on their hands

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View PostDesert_Fox_1969, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:00, said:

Looks like someone has way too much time on their hands

 

It was fun to make so time well spent IMO.

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Rheinmetall panzerwagen and Leopard are post-war. Also didn't they use a decent amount of equipment that was supplied by other countries on both sides that would lead to a lot of copy catting other tech trees?

 

Also, you're condensing a lot of the lines into a single tank, and we go from 8 non-arta tier 10's to 5, killing variety, plus your adding a tier 10 arta.

Edit: The missiles are a no go for the game IMO, I wouldn't include them in a tech tree change.


Edited by Garandster, Mar 28 2019 - 04:10.


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Some good ideas, I think the WWII designs are stretched beyond credibility too.  My pet tank would be the M48A2G2, essentially an M48A5 with a thicker spaced armor mantlet and side skirts.

 



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View PostGarandster, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:07, said:

Rheinmetall panzerwagen and Leopard are post-war. Also didn't they use a decent amount of equipment that was supplied by other countries on both sides that would lead to a lot of copy catting other tech trees?

 

Also, you're condensing a lot of the lines into a single tank, and we go from 8 non-arta tier 10's to 5, killing variety, plus your adding a tier 10 arta.

Edit: The missiles are a no go for the game IMO, I wouldn't include them in a tech tree change.

 

PzWagen and Leo are post war but this is not enough. All German tier 10s should be post-war. I've tried to work around copy catting where ever possible. Only exceptions are that I changed the GWe100 to a Swiss artillery and a Soviet artillery because no domestic German post-war SPG exists to my knowledge.

 

Missiles would be acceptable only at tier 10 IMO. But alternatively the Rackpanzer could be replaced with the VT-1-1.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT_tank

 

View PostYANKEE137, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:09, said:

Some good ideas, I think the WWII designs are stretched beyond credibility too.

That's my primary issue. Thank you.

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Let's just buff the German line. And yes, a few more post WW2 vehicles would be cool.

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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 28 2019 - 02:47, said:

 

This has nothing to do with symbols. This has to do with WW2 tanks at a cold war tier despite that faction losing the war.

 

lt won't help at all.

 

Leopard 1 and Panzer wagon are not Panzer SS designs. They are cold war designs. And they still suck.

 



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View PostSturm_Teufel, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:16, said:

Let's just buff the German line. And yes, a few more post WW2 vehicles would be cool.

No more buffs except for scouts and Leo. The German line has been buffed enough. This is getting ridiculous.

 

View PostF1O1, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:20, said:

Leopard 1 and Panzer wagon are not Panzer SS designs. They are cold war designs. And they still suck.

How would you improve the Leo and Panzer wagon? I admit they suck. Read my recommendations for those two tanks in the graphic.



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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 27 2019 - 22:16, said:

 

PzWagen and Leo are post war but this is not enough. All German tier 10s should be post-war. I've tried to work around copy catting where ever possible.

 

Missiles would be acceptable only at tier 10 IMO. But alternatively the Rackpanzer could be replaced with the VT-1-1.

 

You should still look into finding replacements that fit the play style of each line going down instead of dumping them into a single tank. I think that is where the big issue is at with doing a post-war rework and not copying other tanks that won't fit the German play style at all.

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Mar 28 2019 - 10:47, said:

 

German vehicles get buffed?

That story is so old it has grown a beard by now.

Do you still believe in Santa???

 



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View PostGarandster, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:27, said:

You should still look into finding replacements that fit the play style of each line going down instead of dumping them into a single tank. I think that is where the big issue is at with doing a post-war rework and not copying other tanks that won't fit the German play style at all.

Dumping multiple lines into a single tank is necessary to meet the post-war environment. Perhaps WG can find some sekrit dokuments that prove me wrong.

 

Alternatively all the problematic German lines would end at tier 9 and only the light and light-medium lines would evolve into tier 10s. I've also thought of dumping the German superheavies into the Leopard 2AV 1976 prototype as this tank would indeed be a superheavy from the front. According to Armored Warfare this is the armor of the Leo2AV:

Hull F/S/R:
590 / 140 / 60
Turret F/S/R:
655 / 310 / 65

See more about the Leo2AV here: https://forum.warthu...prototype-1976/

 

 

As for a change in playstyle I don't think its an issue. Perhaps it would give people an incentive to spend money on crew retraining. It's not like other lines don't change. I think most people could forgive a change in playstyle more than they could forgive an overtiered tech tree.



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View PostDrB33t, on Mar 28 2019 - 03:59, said:

 

It's not. But German tanks are still overtiered and overbuffed.

 

UHHHHHH EXCUSE ME? Are you insane or something? like really.... "The German line has been buffed enough. This is getting ridiculous"

What do you mean, do you think they're OP? what about the Russia tanks? aren't they OP too? or is it okay that they're the best tanks in the game. also

1: I can't see WG adding Missiles to the game, that sounds like it would mess up balance and be too much work

2: Why would they make a Tier 10 that leads to another Tier 10 tank? Leopard 1 connected to Leopard 2K

3: Nobody wants new arty letalone two of them :/







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