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PrimarchRogalDorn #61 Posted Apr 05 2019 - 15:45

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View PostCeIestiaLudenberg, on Apr 05 2019 - 03:33, said:

 

Find me a single picture of 90% of the tanks in this game using their current guns.

 

There's a thing, you know, called a design. The German variant was designed to have the 120mm gun, but they scrapped the entire MBT/Kpz project due to the complications surrounding it, meaning they never actually fitted the gun to one of the prototypes. It doesn't mean they weren't going to use it.

 

You're confusing the Keiler with the Kpz 70, the former of which was the vehicle actually planned to have the 120mm smoothbore. The Keiler led to the Leopard 2 and was a completely separate project started after the MBT70 project hit multiple cost overruns. Again, no MBT70 or KPz 70 vehicles had the 120 or were planned to mount it.

View PostDrB33t, on Apr 05 2019 - 01:42, said:

 

120mm fits the cold war German play style better than the 152mm. The German cold war tanks should all be characterized by very high penetration and accuracy, high speed, good DPM, decent camo, decent view range, decent damage, and horrible armor with a tendency to receive module damage. Similar to the Swedish tank destroyers except with turrets. They are snipers. They are same as their WW2 cousins except they trade armor for speed and some extra camo. The 152mm is not a snipers gun.

 

If the MBT70 is also added to the game then it should receive the 152mm as the American play style is less snipeish and more derpish.

 

You want to add in tech and vehicles that have zero part in this game. Go play Armored Warfare.

 



DrB33t #62 Posted Apr 05 2019 - 19:43

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 05 2019 - 14:45, said:

Again, no MBT70 or KPz 70 vehicles had the 120 or were planned to mount it.

 

You are demanding extreme historical accuracy in a game that has very little of it. Just look at the Japanese Heavies.

 

 

 



PrimarchRogalDorn #63 Posted Apr 05 2019 - 20:42

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View PostDrB33t, on Apr 05 2019 - 13:43, said:

 

You are demanding extreme historical accuracy in a game that has very little of it. Just look at the Japanese Heavies.

 

 

 

 

No, I'm demanding that the requirements for vehicles being added that WG has stated on numerous occasions be followed. Those requirements are no composite armor, no smoothbores (which includes guided missiles), and no computerized fire control.

PCA_PANADES_1 #64 Posted Apr 09 2019 - 21:16

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 02 2019 - 19:33, said:

How about no? You're suggesting adding in tanks that would be functionally immune to nearly everything that's fired at them frontally, would have insanely good mobility, accuracy that would make the Grille 15 feel like a howitzer, and shells that would effectively ignore all armor.

 

You never playerd Grille 15. It is worse than any howitzer. Grille 15 is a pos.

 



PrimarchRogalDorn #65 Posted Apr 09 2019 - 21:19

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View PostPCA_PANADES_1, on Apr 09 2019 - 15:16, said:

 

You never playerd Grille 15. It is worse than any howitzer. Grille 15 is a pos.

 

 

Aren't you the guy who's been complaining effectively non-stop that the WT E-100 was removed?

Guardianleopard #66 Posted Apr 10 2019 - 17:48

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 03 2019 - 08:22, said:


Yes, I know WoT is a game. My point was even though those may be "weak" for MBTs, they're still much stronger than anything that's currently in the game at the moment. If you want to use modern-ish MBTs go play Armored Warfare, they don't belong in WoT.

 

KPZ-70/MBT-70 have no composite armor and their realistic protection is only a slight improvement over the leopard.

The commonly posted picture is from Soviet sources 'estimating its performance' with the presumption it can compete against T-64/T-72. Whether or not it is technically possible for the Americans at the time seems not to be taken into account, given that there is supposedly 70mm high hardness plate, when even 40mm high hardness plate was on the highest rungs of the ladder at the time. That, and the Soviets play pretend that it has composite: MBT-70 has no such thing.

 

The MBT-70's AP ammunition is also trash. Being weaker than the L7's APDS. Considering D-10T's just behind it, D-54 ahead, you're looking at a gun weaker than the D-10T. KPZ-70 is technically capable of 10 RPM but then it destroys the ammunition making it functionally useless. MBT-70 can do 6 RPM.

 

 

So yes MBT-70/KPZ-70 are going to need some amazing fantasy treatment to not be [edited]. Also its armor is not overmatch proof. Meaning at times it has less protection than the Leo.

 

120mm smoothbore? Lol no.

 

Leopard fix?

DPM & gun handling is important. Buff those and it will be strong. Call it the 1A1A1 so it can troll HESH on turret hits.

 

Armor protection of KPZ? ~38mm HHS + 46mm soft UFP. Rest is hardly any better.



egikov #67 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 21:47

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This is a great tree. I especially like famous German tanks get the proper tier. Like Tiger 1, Tiger 2, Panther, JgPanther.

 

And from the Panther I'd like to remove the turret that weren't there, so it will look like a real Panther. WG can make a premium tank or something with that turret and long gun. That's why I'm not buying Panther because it looks wrong and VK30.02M is a real Panther in this game.

 

I hope WG will change to this version, it looks great and more historically correct.

 



Nutzo #68 Posted Apr 14 2019 - 00:17

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MBT's frontal armor immune to anything that isn't the missile carrier, with mobility of a medium tank and a gun that invalidates even the heaviest armor.

It's a good thing you don't have any influence on the balance of the game because you'd ruin it faster than you could say "what balance?"

If you're going to make up nonsense at least make it believable







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