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leeuniverse #241 Posted May 02 2019 - 19:54

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View PostNeatoMan, on May 02 2019 - 11:27, said:

knowing when to cap is a skill.  This is more of a thinking man's game, so if you can cap a win to "inflate" your win rate, you've just displayed better judgement (more skill) than if you fought on and lost.

 

Most people play a variety of tanks, which will tend to have some turds and more OP ones.  Unless you stick to just one tank, or one nation/class then this will also average out.

 

Knowing how to play to your tanks' strengths is also a skill.

 

1. LOL...  Any moron can just run to the cap and cap and win.  That is not "thinking", that's just being a selfish **** cheating everyone else out of XP and performance both your side and the enemy players.

The point of the game is to try and win by killing tanks.  Yes, I'm not against the last min effort to cap for the win if necessary, ACTUALLY "thinking", I do that myself.  But if you didn't notice, I'm talking about "premature" capping.

 

2. As I said, there can be a variety of reasons winrates don't necessarily mean "skill".  What your stating doesn't change what we are saying, except your last couple of words.  If you are sticking to one tank or nation/class then your are by definition within a certain segment of winrate per that tank/nation/class, so it WILL NOT "average out" like you claim, you will be within that winrate range for those tanks.

 

3. Yes, but certain tanks have a MUCH HIGHER skill requirement.

For example, an average pool player with a perfectly balanced and straight pool stick can play almost as well as a professional, but if they have a bent and imbalanced pool cue they won't play very well.

A professional in contrast can still play well even with a crap pool cue.

So, you're ignoring the fact that tanks can be designed in such a way to screw the majority, but not the minority elite, i.e. they have severely diminished returns which in turn would absolutely affect winrates.



Jer1413 #242 Posted May 02 2019 - 20:31

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View Postleeuniverse, on May 02 2019 - 14:54, said:

 

1. LOL...  Any moron can just run to the cap and cap and win.  That is not "thinking", that's just being a selfish **** cheating everyone else out of XP and performance both your side and the enemy players.

The point of the game is to try and win by killing tanks.  Yes, I'm not against the last min effort to cap for the win if necessary, ACTUALLY "thinking", I do that myself.  But if you didn't notice, I'm talking about "premature" capping.

 

 

 

But "premature' capping leads to more losses than wins.

 



cloudwalkr #243 Posted May 02 2019 - 20:37

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Absolutely astounding how clueless op is.

 

"an afk would have a 0 win rate".  Dude doesnt even understand how it's possible for afk to win but wants to put this page of crap out?  lol common...

 

how do some one of you make it through life with the reasoning and logic that some of you have shown to have?

 

this forum is constently filled with people who can't even spell 'lose' correctly and yet this thread is somehow making those people out to be geniouses.


Edited by cloudwalkr, May 02 2019 - 20:46.


da_Rock002 #244 Posted May 02 2019 - 20:51

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Skill does influence WR.    Absolutely. 

Your own individual skill influences WR too.

So does the skill of the 15 players on your team.

And sod does the skill of the 15 enemy players.

 

Ask yourself just how much does your WR predict the outcome of each battle.    To find that out before each battle you'd need to look at 30 WRs, right?    So as yourself, doesn't your WR reflect how good the teams you have drawn from a random matchmaker did against the teams that matchmaker created that your team fought?  


 


 



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WR is a very close reflection of the teams you've been on and reflects how good the other teams were as well.

 

 

Unfortunately, your contribution in all that doesn't affect the WR much at all.   For example, I've got 8.5K+  battles and although I was the top player on my team in both DMG and XP in the last battle, the "reflection" on my WR is very, very dim.   Although I damaged 8 enemy, and killed 3, the fact the enemy killed only one of my team is what decided the win for my team more than my performance.  

 

Yeah, WR is made up of 30 reflections, one battle at a time.



NeatoMan #246 Posted May 02 2019 - 21:02

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View PostJer1413, on May 02 2019 - 14:31, said:

But "premature' capping leads to more losses than wins.

This.  I'd like to see someone who inflates his win rate by premature capping.   That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard. 

 

As far as Lee's comment about sticking to one class, etc.  He is trying prove that the exception is the rule.  A vast majority of players do not play just one tank.

 

Bent pool cue? That just proves that skill leads to more wins.  Maybe some tanks will exaggerate win rates, making a 60% player into a 65% player, but either way they are still exceptional players.

 

He's trying to argue that since win rate isn't exact, that it isn't a measure of skill. 



Personality #247 Posted May 02 2019 - 21:09

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looks like a beta male telling an alpha male there is no such thing as beta and alpha

Flarvin #248 Posted May 02 2019 - 21:16

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View Postleeuniverse, on May 02 2019 - 13:54, said:

1. LOL...  Any moron can just run to the cap and cap and win.  That is not "thinking", that's just being a selfish **** cheating everyone else out of XP and performance both your side and the enemy players.

 

LOL... you actually think quick capping to pad WR, is a thing. 



Altwar #249 Posted May 02 2019 - 21:27

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View Postleeuniverse, on May 02 2019 - 10:54, said:

 

1. LOL...  Any moron can just run to the cap and cap and win.  That is not "thinking", that's just being a selfish **** cheating everyone else out of XP and performance both your side and the enemy players.

The point of the game is to try and win by killing tanks.  Yes, I'm not against the last min effort to cap for the win if necessary, ACTUALLY "thinking", I do that myself.  But if you didn't notice, I'm talking about "premature" capping.

 

Actually the point of the game is to destroy all the tanks on the other team or capture the base.  Don't agree?  Try reading the terms of winning a battle when loading up a battle the next time.  It is there, simply stated.



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View Postda_Rock002, on May 02 2019 - 21:00, said:

WR is a very close reflection of the teams you've been on and reflects how good the other teams were as well.

 

 

Unfortunately, your contribution in all that doesn't affect the WR much at all.   For example, I've got 8.5K+  battles and although I was the top player on my team in both DMG and XP in the last battle, the "reflection" on my WR is very, very dim.   Although I damaged 8 enemy, and killed 3, the fact the enemy killed only one of my team is what decided the win for my team more than my performance.  

 

Yeah, WR is made up of 30 reflections, one battle at a time.

 

you are so very wrong in your assumption and there are a lot of people out there that prove it.

 

If you consistently dmg 8 and kill 3 and do several thousand points worth of dmg EVERY SINGLE GAME WHICH IS WHAT GOOD PLAYERS DO then you will see higher wins.  IT'S REALLY NOT COMPLICATED AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY PEOPLE MAKE SO MANY EXCUSES.

 

So, yes, one battle might be the outcome of your team and the enemy...but overall if you perform better you win more.  It's simple.  W/R is not a direct reflection of the teams you get, that is like saying the game is rigged and MM dictates your w/r WHICH IS CLEARLY WRONG.

 

your contribution DIRECTLY INFLUENCES YOUR OWN W/R.  Good god people...the excuses some make.



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View Postcloudwalkr, on May 02 2019 - 20:33, said:

 

you are so very wrong in your assumption and there are a lot of people out there that prove it.

 

If you consistently dmg 8 and kill 3 and do several thousand points worth of dmg EVERY SINGLE GAME WHICH IS WHAT GOOD PLAYERS DO then you will see higher wins.  IT'S REALLY NOT COMPLICATED AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY PEOPLE MAKE SO MANY EXCUSES.

 

So, yes, one battle might be the outcome of your team and the enemy...but overall if you perform better you win more.  It's simple.  W/R is not a direct reflection of the teams you get, that is like saying the game is rigged and MM dictates your w/r WHICH IS CLEARLY WRONG.

 

your contribution DIRECTLY INFLUENCES YOUR OWN W/R.  Good god people...the excuses some make.

 


I guess in the tiers 4-7 where I normally am I just got on really good teams for 55k battles 55-60% of the time  ;)

Exiledcrow #252 Posted May 04 2019 - 01:33

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View PostPersonality, on May 02 2019 - 21:09, said:

looks like a beta male telling an alpha male there is no such thing as beta and alpha

 

Well, there kinda isn't, according the the dude that that published the research (on wolves) that has been WILDLY misinterpreted by folks who have zero understanding of biology ... but what would he know about it, right?

 

But even if it were such a thing: If you have to TELL people you're alpha, you're not, you're just a wanna-be.


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