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cocobabygirl, on Apr 20 2019 - 23:34, said:
Tell you who else deserves better ?, the people on your team that have to carry you to wins. It goes both ways mate.
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Splatterit, on Apr 20 2019 - 17:56, said:
That's not a thing, you're just making up numbers to make yourself feel justified with no basis in reality. You WR for the last month has been 46.2%, so it's painfully obvious that your chance to win has not been "less than 40% on 80% of my battles". The truth is that your performance since the MM change is pretty much the same as it has always been, the only difference is that you can't blame being bottom tier as often.
Splatterit, on Apr 20 2019 - 17:56, said:
Sounds like you're suffering from burnout and just don't want to admit you haven't improved in a very long time.
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 20 2019 - 21:30, said:
I don't give a sh#t about stats I just want to play at a higher tier's and be able to compete.
Then do that, compete.
This is a game of pure PvP, if you want to compete then you have to do the work to make yourself competitive. The point of stats is not to have good stats, it's to help you understand whether or not you are being competitive and helping your teams. If you have below-average stat that means you are making a below average contribution to your teams. If you want to win more, do the work to get better, it's just that simple.
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 20 2019 - 21:30, said:
Lol Losing is tough but it has nothing to what I'm trying to say about myself. I don't give a sh#t about stats I just want to play at a higher tier's and be able to compete. I don't play with mod's anymore and need to see xvm values. I not that player that has to reroll and play lower tiers to show others they have a high win percentage on the screen. I played with Prostar in frontlines the other day, along with Trouble they both played a consistent great game. They were at the top of the players list at the end of the game. I mean within the top five most of the time. As you see and know their WR percentage doesn't show what they are really capable of doing in this game. I just want to be able to play in higher tier's without getting my azz handed to me by most other players. I guess I could go back down to lower tiers and stat pad my WR with better crews but that's not me. I do have great battles when my team lays a egg but how can you ever learn if every other battle you don't know if your heavy tanks are going to camp with arty. I really think the player base talent has gone down as mentioned from above. I'm sure like anything else unless your playing several hours a week your never going to keep up with the better players in the higher tiers. Looks like i'm going to get my BT-2 and matilda out for fun lol, hopefully I can put a six skilled crew in them.
Coco,
When you look at stats post-game it should not really be about "I did enough damage to help the team". That is sorta important, I mean if you find yourself on the bottom of the experience and damage list consistently than that is something to work on. But, the real thing to think about after a game is "Could I have done something to help WIN the game". So, yeah, WR really does matter and WR really does show that you are capable of doing something. It shows you are capable of winning. Any other stat on the books builds into that.
When you talk about competing you are talking about WR - not Wn8, not Experience, not Damage, not Spotting, or whatever. If you lose who cares if you got some damage on a useless flank or killed a tank when it was 12 - 4. To win you have to do something where the guys on the OTHER team are justifying THEIR gameplay by looking at damage points and personal Wn8.
And, yeah, there are some (many?) games where players of our skill level have no chance of supporting a win. When the goobers run the Valley of Death or take the leisurely beach walk the only hope is that some 57%er+ in a good tank for that map can carry. I hate those games.
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Because you asked...
The first team to kill a tank has an edge. If the other team does not match that kill quickly then the edge becomes much more defined. If a second kill is made on that same flank than the roll is probably on for that flank. The way the other team can deal with a two tank disadvantage on a flank is:
If you do not support the early kills than you have to find a way to support the early kills.
Now, the problem is that most folks don't flex - they die in place. Another problem is that many players are timid. They get a tank - or even multiple tank - advantage on a flank and do not push that edge. Sometimes they even Battle Chat: "Pull Back!!! Let them come to us!!!". Another amazing thing is how few folks emphasize VR in their crews and tanks. They are blind. They start yammering about how LTs don't spot (although that might be true) or how RNG is blowing their shots (although that might be true) or how they always seem to get ROFL Stomped. Regardless, how many games are won by blind Timids who don't move?
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 07:03, said:
Why would you want that, you would never have been allowed past Tier 1. I'm not saying that to insult you, frankly I don't care about your stats if you're having fun playing the game. You are a solid red player all the way through Tier V in every thing except mediums, where you're orange at Tier V. I can't for the life of me imagine why you would want a system that would have prevented you from playing anything above Tier 1 until you got better, that's pretty mind boggling.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 07:03, said:
And how do you think it makes other people feel to have to constantly carry you? The only reason your WR is that high is because this is a game with large teams, if the teams were smaller your win rate would be worse, and if it was a 1 vs 1 game your WR would be somewhere from 5-10%. So while you're talking about how "It's not fun for ME anymore" you really need to think about all of those people who are carrying you to wins that you haven't earned. It's pretty darned selfish and hypocritical for you to complain if you just happen to have a good game and lose.
You are under no obligation to be good, it's a public game and you can play it on your own terms. But if you're going to complain about "a bunch of losers" you'd better get a lot more honest with yourself.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 07:03, said:
There is no single answer to that, the performance of every tank in a team always matters, it's just a question of exactly how much each tank matters based on the team size. Obviously when you're 1/15th of your team your performance is less important than if you were 1/5th of your team, but ever tank always matters at least somewhat. The more players there are per team, the less that each individual player's performance affects the their teams, what's why in this game with 15-person teams even really bad players can still win 40-45% of their battles. A person could basically go AFK for every battle and still have a win rate of 38-40%. If the teams in this game were 5-person teams then going AFK every battle would give a win rate lower than 38-40%. Team size matters, but even on large teams the performance of everyone has at least some influence on the teams chance to win.
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Time to bring my 37.2% Winning Ways to Frontlines!!!
Just think, you can mercilessly farm me for credits. Maybe this is how we can take advantage of Frontlines.
But, to Wargaming's credit I have only been in four blowouts (one team or the other has 5 or fewer kills) out of forty games. I think I only had one -2 game as well. Don't think I was ever +2. To me +-1 is basically an even match.
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 20 2019 - 20:30, said:
Lol Losing is tough but it has nothing to what I'm trying to say about myself. I don't give a sh#t about stats I just want to play at a higher tier's and be able to compete. I don't play with mod's anymore and need to see xvm values. I not that player that has to reroll and play lower tiers to show others they have a high win percentage on the screen. I played with Prostar in frontlines the other day, along with Trouble they both played a consistent great game. They were at the top of the players list at the end of the game. I mean within the top five most of the time. As you see and know their WR percentage doesn't show what they are really capable of doing in this game. I just want to be able to play in higher tier's without getting my azz handed to me by most other players. I guess I could go back down to lower tiers and stat pad my WR with better crews but that's not me. I do have great battles when my team lays a egg but how can you ever learn if every other battle you don't know if your heavy tanks are going to camp with arty. I really think the player base talent has gone down as mentioned from above. I'm sure like anything else unless your playing several hours a week your never going to keep up with the better players in the higher tiers. Looks like i'm going to get my BT-2 and matilda out for fun lol, hopefully I can put a six skilled crew in them.
I stopped at the bolded and underlined portion of this post, OP.
These words strung together are SELF CANCELLING. You cannot COMPETE at Higher Tiers and NOT CARE about Stats. I would argue further that you Must Care About Stats in Some Measure in ORDER TO COMPETE.
Competition is ALL ABOUT measuring your skills relative to your peers and colleagues. As MM doesn't give a $4!T about stats, you have to in order to be competitive. The higher tier you go, the more likely you are to run into a majority of players who, in fact, give a bowel movement about their stats and yours. They will bend your tank over the stats railings and wax you good. And they'll laugh as they zip up and walk away about how easy that was.
You cannot be Competitive and Not Care about your stats. They are mutually exclusive concepts.
You should give that due consideration and rethink your position -- or it will be that of being bent over those rails time and time and time again.
GL, HF & HSYBF!
OvO
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Copacetic, on Apr 21 2019 - 17:15, said:
hope is not a good strategy
Hope is all I had 
Absolutely horrid session in regular pubs today - and I did my part in that. I was horrid. Ugh. Hate days like today...
Actually, FrontLines turned out ok. Not great, but ok. Won some games, earned some credits, skilled up some HT crews. Felt better than pubs today... Hope springs eternal. It is Easter after all!!!
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
Remember I don't care about your stats, that was not the point of my post. If you thought I was trying to stat-shame you then you need to go back and read it again. Everyone should be allowed to have fun playing the game the way they want to play it, but they don't have the right to be bad and then complain about bad players, that's being a hypocrite.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
That doesn't change the fact that other people have been carrying you for over 11,000 battles. If you're finally learning how to improve and carry teams that's great (seriously, congrats on improving) but you have no business complaining about other people who are not. You of all people should have a lot more sympathy for other bad players who are making it harder for you to win, since you were one of them for such a long time. Your stats are completely unimportant... right up until you complain that other people are bringing you down. I assure you the teams are not going to get any better to make you happy. It's your turn to carry, deal with the frustration, that's part of what it means to lead teams.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
Right, exactly, and you don't see dunniteowl complaining about people bringing him down and ruining his good battles, instead he's doing whatever he can to help people get better.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
No, you can't deflect responsibility for your post by pretending I didn't understand it, that won't work.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
If you want to see some lame thinking you should read your own posts, you've said multiple things in this thread that are silly, selfish and/or just plain incorrect.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 21 2019 - 19:38, said:
Oh so close, for a minute there I thought you had some actual principles, It nearly looked like you didn't reroll because rerolling is for weak people who don't want to accept responsibility for their stats. But it turns out you're not standing on principle and you're just hoping that you can use XVM camo. Suuuper impressive, golf clap for you.
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 20 2019 - 22:41, said:
12 battles 33% = crappy day for a 53% wr player even look at your 30 day average hmmmm that's just about when the MM was fixed
His 30 day is fine. Much better than you will ever be.
The recent changes to MM have been welcomed as they reduce the number of -2 games one is in. Even though those games only contain 3 red tanks at +2 the snowflakes have won the day and have their way. Good for decent players as well, more potatoes to shoot and exploit at same tier or sometimes , lower tier. In my experience it has tightened up most matches. See tons of 8-8 and 11-9 battles before the tilt happens and 1 side steamrolls the straggglers / campers.
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cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
There's no hatred, that's far to strong a word, a better description would be that I find your posts (in this thread) distasteful.
And if you "don't know why" then you either didn't read them or didn't understand them. I'm not suggesting that you have to agree with me, but my explanations were pretty clear and to the point, I didn't hide or obfuscate anything I had to say.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
That's true, however it's neither here nor there. My "high point" playing tennis was in 1995, which has as much to do with this conversation as my tank stats do, this conversation isn't about stats.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
That's incorrect. I mainly pay heavies and mediums, with arty being the class I play the least. This is a good example of what's distasteful about your posting (in this thread) even when you say something that is based on verifiable facts you get it wrong. You looked up my stat and still describe things incorrectly, that's a pretty basic error.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
We could have a lot of fun dissecting my classes, stats and game play, and I'm fine with that because I have nothing to hide, except that this conversation has nothing to do with my stats, or yours. If you think this is a discussion about stat then you're still failing to understand the point.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
Well, to be fair your OP didn't really have a point, it was mostly just a rambling collection of thoughts that didn't have any relation to each other. Mind you that's ok, people just put random thoughts on the forums all the time, there's nothing wrong with a post that is just a collection of thoughts that aren't connected to each other, but let's not pretend that you were making a cogent argument based on a series of points that built on each other leading to a conclusion. It's ok that you OP didn't have a "main topic" as long as you don't pretend that it did.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
The funny thing is, I don't agree, and even if I did I wouldn't point to you and suggest that it includes you or that you bear any responsibility for the player base. To do something like that would be a real jerk move, especially since I've said multiple times that this conversation really isn't about your stats. I'd have to be a real clod to say those things and then try to blame you for the player base. You're just one person, no one person can make that big of a difference in a game. The game has the same mixture of good and bad players it has always had, IMO.
cocobabygirl, on Apr 22 2019 - 19:48, said:
I don't think you're a bad guy. You've said some things that are incorrect, and you've tried to make logical connections between things that are not connected, and you've been a little bit selfish complaining that other people are hurting your fun then you have good games, but none of that makes you a bad guy. Really it just makes you pretty normal. I don't argue against posts based on my opinion of the person, I don't know you, and we've never even talked before this thread, so I can't have any idea whether you a good or bad guy. And I don't even care that whether you're a bad tank player. I'll say again, nothing I've said anywhere in this thread was intended to stat shame you, I don't care if you're bad, you have the right to enjoy the game however you want to play. Where I took issue was when you complained about other people being bad in a way that was pretty hypocritical.
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