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21Blackjack #1 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 08:38

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Tanks are listed in credit spent per standard round.

 

Lights
LT-432 - 220
T-44 Lwt - 220
EBR 75 - 230
M41D - 230

 

Mediums 
T-44-100 - 252
T-54-Mod 1 - 252
Type 59 -252
Panther 8.8 - 252
M46KR - 255
T25 Pilot - 255
AMX CDC - 255
T25E4 - 255

 

Heavy
FCM 50t - 255
T26E5 - 255
KV-5 - 270

 

TD
JgTig 8.8 - 252
KanJPz 90 - 355
T-103 - 910

 

 



tanopasman62 #2 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 09:13

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Interesting, +1

F1O1 #3 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 09:49

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Look at shell cost per damage dealt. lt is a better way to look at things.

 

 

Tier 4:::

Pz B2 -- 55 dmg @ 14 cred

Tier 5:::

Chi Nu Kai -- 125 dmg @ 82 cred

T28E  &  SU85L -- 160 dmg @ 109 cred

Tier 6:::

T-50-2 -- 85 dmg @ 56 cred

Cromwell B -- 135 dmg @ 100 cred

SU100Y -- 440 dmg @ 630 cred

KV2R -- 700 dmg @ 725 cred, 910 dmg @ 810 cred

Tier 8:::

KV5 -- 300 dmg @ 270 cred

Revalorise -- 390 dmg @ 580 cred

STG -- 390 dmg @ 840 cred

50TP -- 440 dmg @ 880 cred

lSU130 -- 490 dmg @ 760 cred

T103 -- 440 dmg @ 910 cred

Skorpion -- 490 dmg @ 1070 cred

 

 



21Blackjack #4 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 09:57

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View PostF1O1, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:49, said:

Look at shell cost per damage dealt. lt is a better way to look at things.

 

 

Tier 4:::

Pz B2 -- 55 dmg @ 14 cred

Tier 5:::

Chi Nu Kai -- 125 dmg @ 82 cred

T28E  &  SU85L -- 160 dmg @ 109 cred

Tier 6:::

T-50-2 -- 85 dmg @ 56 cred

Cromwell B -- 135 dmg @ 100 cred

SU100Y -- 440 dmg @ 630 cred

KV2R -- 700 dmg @ 725 cred, 910 dmg @ 810 cred

Tier 8:::

KV5 -- 300 dmg @ 270 cred

Revalorise -- 390 dmg @ 580 cred

STG -- 390 dmg @ 840 cred

50TP -- 440 dmg @ 880 cred

lSU130 -- 490 dmg @ 760 cred

T103 -- 440 dmg @ 910 cred

Skorpion -- 490 dmg @ 1070 cred

 

 

 

Centurion 5/1 - 230 dmg @ 680 credits... what a bargain :P

MagillaGuerilla #5 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 10:40

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View Post21Blackjack, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:57, said:

 

Centurion 5/1 - 230 dmg @ 680 credits... what a bargain :P

 

Balance.

TankFullOfBourbon #6 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 11:09

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What is the T-103?

heavymetal1967 #7 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 12:18

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View PostTankFullOfBourbon, on Apr 23 2019 - 06:09, said:

What is the T-103?

 

Soviet turreted TD with the T-100 hull. 

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/t-103

 

Interesting review.  For example, the sandbags act as spaced armor.

 



GenPanzer #8 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 12:50

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I would think cost/min would be the best way to rank these.

xXx_Dead_Zombie_xXx #9 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 12:56

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View Post21Blackjack, on Apr 23 2019 - 01:38, said:

Tanks are listed in credit spent per standard round.

 

Lights
LT-432 - 220
T-44 Lwt - 220
EBR 75 - 230
M41D - 230

 

Mediums 
T-44-100 - 252
T-54-Mod 1 - 252
Type 59 -252
Panther 8.8 - 252
M46KR - 255
T25 Pilot - 255
AMX CDC - 255
T25E4 - 255

 

Heavy
FCM 50t - 255
T26E5 - 255
KV-5 - 270

 

TD
JgTig 8.8 - 252
KanJPz 90 - 355
T-103 - 910

 

 

 

should do the premium shell cost next to the standard ammo cost... bet the T92 LT is the worst.. 5600 credits for a whopping 175 damage (depends if RNG is with you)

Andarion #10 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 13:01

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from my experience in frontlines the T-54 Mod 1 is a HUGE moneymaker, even compared to the Type 59

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View Post21Blackjack, on Apr 23 2019 - 08:57, said:

 

Centurion 5/1 - 230 dmg @ 680 credits... what a bargain

 

20 lber has expensive ammunition. 20 lber shell damage should be increased to 245/245/295

ln all honesty, they finally decided to do it with the 32 lber from 250/250/330 changed to 280/280/370

As a gun british tanks depend on late tier, it needs to be buffed in damage, like how Russian / Chinas 85mm scale up

 

32 lber is in the same boat,  630 credits. And it used to only do 250, not 280

M56 scorpion, STA2, Progetto, Pantera all have expensive ammo, for generic 90mm guns

Like 20 lber, E50 and Panther ll  L100 88, is unusually expensive at 676, despite no damage increase over L71  88

 



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T92 does 150, sadly. lt does not have the Bulldog or EBR75 avg dmg of 170 or 175.  Pitiful. 

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View PostF1O1, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:01, said:

 

20 lber has expensive ammunition. 20 lber shell damage should be increased to 245/245/295

ln all honesty, they finally decided to do it with the 32 lber from 250/250/330 changed to 280/280/370

As a gun british tanks depend on late tier, it needs to be buffed in damage, like how Russian / Chinas 85mm scale up

 

32 lber is in the same boat,  630 credits. And it used to only do 250, not 280

M56 scorpion, STA2, Progetto, Pantera all have expensive ammo, for generic 90mm guns

Like 20 lber, E50 and Panther ll  L100 88, is unusually expensive at 676, despite no damage increase over L71  88

 

 

The 20 pound gun is 84mm.... the 32 pound gun is 94mm... for their size and tier, their damage is balanced somewhat due to their penetration values.. Try running anything with a 105 that has AP standard- the shells are 1k apiece and usually don't have very good pen for the tier (VK 45.02 A with 200, and T32 with 198 come to mind...)

 

The Scorpion is a high penetration 90mm gun with premium HEAT, same with the STA-2 (although really, 380 is not a bad cost for a 90mm AP shell when the really cheap shells cost 240 or so.) Progetto and Pantera have expensive shells because they're specifically tooled to fit the autoreloader mechanisms. The L/100 8,8 cm is a tier 9 gun.



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It's interesting, but I dont think it relates to profitability.  Mainly because penetration matters a lot.  I find the Lor 40t highly profitable even though the standard shells are expensive.  The standard shells have very good pen, so bounce a lot less than say a t44-100,  The prem shells are rarely needed...I dont even load any other than competitive play.

 

And then there's damage...



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Just my thoughts *with an edit!

The T-44-100 standard shell carries a pen of  168-190  for 187-313 damage, depending on the distance  for 252 silver
Then the "premium shell" pen is  218-247 for the same  187-313 damage depending on the distance for 4400 silver. 

Whoa! This is a total and complete ripoff as the T44/100 faces tier  9 and 10 tanks.  And an increase of over 1500% in cost for the same damage is just not equitable at all. 

 

(edit - Nice callout MacDaddyMatty!)

 

Edited by PepperidgeFarmGuy, Apr 23 2019 - 14:53.


MacDaddyMatty #16 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 14:14

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Does this factor in pen?

Panther 8.8 gets to fire A LOT of prem due to poor pen - hence I don't run it - and that alone kills its economy.


 

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View PostPepperidgeFarmGuy, on Apr 23 2019 - 08:13, said:

Just my thoughts - the T-44-100 standard shell carries 168-190 damage for 252 silver, depending on the distance. Then the "premium shell" damage is 218-247 for 4400 silver.  This is a total and complete ripoff as the T44/100 faces tier  9 and 10 tanks.

 

 


 

heh, we posted at the same time!


Edited by MacDaddyMatty, Apr 23 2019 - 14:15.


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View PostPupsrus13, on Apr 23 2019 - 12:36, said:

 

The 20 pound gun is 84mm.... the 32 pound gun is 94mm... for their size and tier, their damage is balanced somewhat due to their penetration values.. Try running anything with a 105 that has AP standard- the shells are 1k apiece and usually don't have very good pen for the tier (VK 45.02 A with 200, and T32 with 198 come to mind...)

 

The Scorpion is a high penetration 90mm gun with premium HEAT, same with the STA-2 (although really, 380 is not a bad cost for a 90mm AP shell when the really cheap shells cost 240 or so.) Progetto and Pantera have expensive shells because they're specifically tooled to fit the autoreloader mechanisms. The L/100 8,8 cm is a tier 9 gun.

 

20lber is for most purposes, a late tier gun. Tiers 7-9.  The only other 83mm gun is the Sexton, which has 260 damage. 230/230/280 compared to Sexton 260 doesn't seem like a jump at all, considering one is tier 3, the other is tiers 7-9. Soviet and Chinas 85mm guns start at 160/280 low tier, and get as high as 200/320. That is a huge jump.  Their 100mm guns start at 250/330 and end with 320/420, another large leap. And you are trying to tell me 280 is a suitable increase from 260?  20lber should get an increase to 245/245/295 and adjusted ROF to maintain DPM. This leaves it right smack in the middle with tier 8 guns having 240-250. 

 

90mm guns don't even see a damage increase. The only 90mm guns different, are Even 90 for some odd reason. BDR1GB 90mm tier 5 has the same damage output as Pershing. M41GF, FCM50, T26E5 have cheaper 90mm rounds, and have good performance. Why should HK30, kanonpanzer, STA2, M56 Scorpion have expensive ones? M56 and STA1 or 2  90mm ammo isn't even that good, compared to say T26E5. 

 

L100 88mm is a tier 8 gun. When only E50 had it, it was an intermediate gun. lt is no different than STA1  top 90mm, or Centurion 20lber.  lt is a tier 8 gun, which is why WG finally woke up and gave it to panther ll. E50 may have good stats with the L100 88mm, but only because of scaling up. Same way Leopard prototype, Cent 7/1, Type 61 have good stats with the tier 8 guns they have

 



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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:14, said:

Does this factor in pen?

Panther 8.8 gets to fire A LOT of prem due to poor pen - hence I don't run it - and that alone kills its economy.

 

 

panther 88 penetration may seem mediocre now, but still many tanks out there without 200mm pen yet. T-34-2, T-44-100, T54Mod1, Pershing, Super Pershing, T25 Pilot, M46KR, Type 59, VTU, T95E2.  Panther 88 should count its blessings, it has at least 200+ pen, and has high medium DPM

Although increasing the side armour to 60mm, giving it jagtiger 88 unique 212mm AP pen L71 makes sense

 



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View PostRoggg2, on Apr 23 2019 - 14:01, said:

It's interesting, but I dont think it relates to profitability.  Mainly because penetration matters a lot.  I find the Lor 40t highly profitable even though the standard shells are expensive.  The standard shells have very good pen, so bounce a lot less than say a t44-100,  The prem shells are rarely needed...I dont even load any other than competitive play.

 

And then there's damage...

 

The Lorraine 40t makes all other autoloaders in the entire tier obsolete.  Best Medium pen and damage per shot in the tier AND its an autoloader with good aimtime and accuracy.   A purple would literally cream his pants hearing that.  It makes anything thats a paper medium with a worse gun defunct.  If you bought an STA-2 at some point you just threw your money away.

 

Like whoever decided the stats for it just wanted to sell them, and had no interest in balance.  "Hmm a french medium autoloader, lets give it 230+ pen and 300+ dmg per shot on the gun."

 

 



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #20 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 04:00

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you need to not worry about peanuts and worry about which of these can be run without prem ammo spam

 

the answer is FCM

 

 






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