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Obj 430 and 430U incoming nerf, your thoughts!?


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Zourn #1 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 14:55

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I literally just started to grind to the OBJ430 yesterday.. On paper they still look good though! :confused:

sleeper_agent #2 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:00

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What nerfs?

Desert_Fox_1969 #3 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:02

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source?

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View PostZourn, on Apr 23 2019 - 07:55, said:

I literally just started to grind to the OBJ430 yesterday.. On paper they still look good though! :confused:

 

Both are brawling mediums and the changes listed won't impact them in that role much if at all. And I say "the changes listed" because they've obviously left out at least one. The DPM of both tanks decreases but they don't say how. It's got to be either a nerf to the RoF or the Alpha, I'd assume the former but for whatever reason they don't say one way or the other. Which obviously leads one to wonder if there are other changes that just got left out of the announcement...
 

 

View PostDesert_Fox_1969, on Apr 23 2019 - 08:02, said:

source?

 https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/updates/1-5-1-MT-rebalance/

 

 


Edited by the_dude_76, Apr 23 2019 - 15:05.


Zourn #5 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:05

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Source: https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/updates/1-5-1-MT-rebalance/

 

It's on the main page..



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View Postsleeper_agent, on Apr 23 2019 - 14:00, said:

What nerfs?

 

https://worldoftanks...1-MT-rebalance/

 

In short:

STB probably nerfed. 

Objs nerfed hard. 

Leo and AMX probably buff.

 

Well, Obj 430U is by far best stock tier 9, and once upgraded (easiest tier 9 to upgrade as well) damn monster plays like T-54 did 7 years ago. Nerf is needed but it sure looks big. Well, better finish it before nerf hits :] 



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I would agree that nerfs were probably in order for those tanks.  However I feel they may have been just a touch over-nerfed.  Just a touch.  I think they'll still be okay though.  My biggest concern is with the "buff" to the STB1.  It traded some things for the so-called buff and I think it's still going to be underwhelming.  The leopard 1 changes look good...maybe too good?  Time will tell.  I welcome the changes to the AMX 30B.

Edited by Oslovan, Apr 23 2019 - 15:10.


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As far as the 430U is concerned, the main issue I had with that tank was the armor layout. And of course they aren't changing that. 

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View PostOslovan, on Apr 23 2019 - 15:07, said:

I would agree that nerfs were probably in order for those tanks.  However I feel they may have been just a touch over-nerfed.  Just a touch.  I think they'll still be okay though.  My biggest concern is with the "buff" to the STB1.  It traded some things for the so-called buff and I think it's still going to be underwhelming.  The leopard 1 changes look good...maybe too good?  Time will tell.  I welcome the changes to the AMX 30B.

 

I welcome the leo 1 changes, although different than what i had thought theyd be. Especially the alpha change. Atleast itll make it special to the other t10 meds now. 

 

Anyone know if it will be ap/apcr/he? Or ap/heat/he



Copacetic #11 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:13

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907 will be even more effective now

Chiaki_Nanamii #12 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:15

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Its going to become a Dead Tank. like many others that WG kill, the new ERA now is HE shells and Derp guns !

sleeper_agent #13 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:18

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Wow. I just saw the nerfs to the 430 and 430u. And yeah they dont say how the HP damage per minute will fall. This is too bad as those two meds were fully capable to take on any other class. These changes dont necessarily balance them as much as handicap them now.

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For me DPM nerf to Objs is not worst part. Its snap shot capability will be hit hard by turret traverse nerf. It fights at knife range so whatever with dispersion.

 

Generally I like idea of cHEAT->APCR switch, finally geld that will go through side armor, but Ido not like the look of STB nerf to standard shell velocity it will cause, I hated slow shells on tier 8 and 9 in that line and after changes STB will drop back to that snail velocity. 



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Figures.  I just bought the 430 yesterday.

BlackFive #16 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:26

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The OBJ 'nerfs' won't be felt all that much.  Soft stats are where the RU meds shine.

 

They'll still be meta



teamoldmill #17 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:47

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Leo still a sniper in a game that does not allow sniping. It will not get better.

 



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I am literally trying to figure out if Wargaming sold World of Tanks.  They are actively trying to make the game better, they are buffing underperforming tanks and best of all they are nerfing op Russian tanks.  This is so out of character for them.  Kind of makes me worried.

Trauglodyte #19 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:51

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The one thing that people need to keep in mind, in regards to the Obj 430/430U changes, is that there are still 3 other tier 10 Russian Mediums in this game.  There has to be some semblance of niche, between the 4 of them.  The K-91 is and will always be the king of Russian blyat sniping.  But, from there, you've got the Object 140, Object 430U, and the T-62A.  The 430U should be the most heavily armored of them, which it is, thus meaning that it can't be a high DPM tank.  So, they now need to figure out how to make the 140 and the T-62A different enough that people will want to play them both.

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View Posthardicon, on Apr 23 2019 - 14:47, said:

I am literally trying to figure out if Wargaming sold World of Tanks.  They are actively trying to make the game better, they are buffing underperforming tanks and best of all they are nerfing op Russian tanks.  This is so out of character for them.  Kind of makes me worried.

 

They are only nerfing on paper. The things that make the Soviet tanks rock are still there. the buffs they give to most other tanks are cosmetic, and actually do not impact gameplay. A Leo vs a 430 U does not happen at 450 meters. It happens around a hill or building at 50 meters. One blocked shell is a huge advantage. Same reason the Tiger H sucks, a slightly higher DPM does not overcome complete lack of armor.




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