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AnArmyofBun #141 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 00:32

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View PostBlade2322, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:25, said:

They really are over nerfing the 430 and 430U in addition to changing the wrong things that make these tanks so strong in the first place. The 430U is actually fairly balanced in an all tier 10 match the problem with the 430U is it dominates lower tier to well, due to its mobility and armor. With these changes there will be no reason to ever play a 430U over a mobile heavy tank (5A, 113, 277, 260, Chieftain). While still not fixing what makes the 430U unbalanced in the first place.

 

Pretty much the same with the tier 9.

 

This makes sense.  I don't see the tank suffering much in what makes it horrible to fight against.  We'll have to see how hard the gun is actually hit.  I'm fully swapping to the swedish meds anyway.

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:39, said:

 

Yea, it is dumbing down the game taking out that tank that is really hard to beat in a 1v1 combat. It is dumbing down the game nerfing that TD that you need to be very careful with since it can garage you with one shot. 

 

I think you are mistaking Balancing the game, with dumbing it down, but that's probably because you need these OP tanks to even be able to perform. Nobody with critical thinking skills would argue that defenders and 4005s make for enjoyable games.

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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 20:25, said:

 

 

 

 

Sure you do.  You dismissed me for being a woman.  Then proceeded to go further.  I quoted them for you.

 

again.,.,.. i dismissed you for being a certain "kind" of woman, read your own quotes again. And yeah, i said "woman" several times cause you are a woman right?

 

patronize
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    treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
     
     
     
     
     
    I don't see where in the whole argument I've been kind to you.

Edited by AverageWannabe, Apr 24 2019 - 00:44.


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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:44, said:

 

again.,.,.. i dismissed you for being a certain "kind" of woman, read your own quotes again. And yeah, i said "woman" several times cause you are a woman right?

 

patronize
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verb
gerund or present participle: patronizing
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    treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
     
     
     
     
     
    I don't see where in the whole argument I've been kind to you.

 

It's ok child, you can't win this argument, you are wrong, go sit in your corner and try to think about what you did.

AnArmyofBun #145 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 00:49

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:44, said:

 

again.,.,.. i dismissed you for being a certain "kind" of woman, read your own quotes again. And yeah, i said "woman" several times cause you are a woman right?

 

patronize
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verb
gerund or present participle: patronizing
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    treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
     
     
     
     
     
    I don't see where in the whole argument I've been kind to you.

 

What kind is that exactly?  The kind that doesn't want her favorite game to suffer from bad designs and overpowered nonsense?

AverageWannabe #146 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 00:56

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View PostCanadian_Mano, on Apr 23 2019 - 20:43, said:

 

I think you are mistaking Balancing the game, with dumbing it down, but that's probably because you need these OP tanks to even be able to perform. Nobody with critical thinking skills would argue that defenders and 4005s make for enjoyable games.

 

well.... it makes it more enjoyable to me and to a few other people with whom i've talked about this subject. As I said i like to face OP tanks as well as excellent players. I think it adds up to a more real, interesting and challenging game.  I like having tanks more challenging than others to defeat.

 

And i don't play those OP tanks that much to be honest... they aren't even my favorite tanks. I really like the 430U though cause it is so nimble with a punchy gun and that awesome armor... such a fun tank to play. 


Edited by AverageWannabe, Apr 24 2019 - 01:00.


AverageWannabe #147 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:00

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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 20:49, said:

 

What kind is that exactly?  The kind that doesn't want her favorite game to suffer from bad designs and overpowered nonsense?

 

the kind that will always win the argument no matter what the other part says.

AnArmyofBun #148 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:02

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:00, said:

 

the kind that will always win the argument no matter what the other part says.

 

That's hardly true at all.  I often concede points to people who make them.

AverageWannabe #149 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:19

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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:02, said:

 

That's hardly true at all.  I often concede points to people who make them.

 

show me...

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 18:00, said:

 

the kind that will always win the argument no matter what the other part says.

Anyone else enjoying the irony in this?



AverageWannabe #151 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:37

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View Postspud_tuber, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:35, said:

Anyone else enjoying the irony in this?

 

well, i am clearly not winning the argument, so i don't know what the heck are you talking about.

jst2gr8 #152 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:53

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So they are nerfing the things that actually need a buff. The aim time on the 430U is terrible as it is, so lets make it even more bad. Looks like WG messing up things that people have worked hard to get. Push more people out of the game WG. Way to go!!

AnArmyofBun #153 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 01:59

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:19, said:

 

show me...

 

View PostBlade2322, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:25, said:

They really are over nerfing the 430 and 430U in addition to changing the wrong things that make these tanks so strong in the first place. The 430U is actually fairly balanced in an all tier 10 match the problem with the 430U is it dominates lower tier to well, due to its mobility and armor. With these changes there will be no reason to ever play a 430U over a mobile heavy tank (5A, 113, 277, 260, Chieftain). While still not fixing what makes the 430U unbalanced in the first place.

 

Pretty much the same with the tier 9.

 

I thought it over and this poster is right.  I had originally held the stance that the nerf wasn't going to really affect the 430u.  But this poster is probably right.  His reasoning that the armor profile is unchanged and that the gun isn't the issue is true.  I don't feel that the gun will be that badly hit but we'll see.  Supertest isn't always 100%. 

AverageWannabe #154 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 02:34

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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:59, said:

 

 

I thought it over and this poster is right.  I had originally held the stance that the nerf wasn't going to really affect the 430u.  But this poster is probably right.  His reasoning that the armor profile is unchanged and that the gun isn't the issue is true.  I don't feel that the gun will be that badly hit but we'll see.  Supertest isn't always 100%. 

 

well, I'm glad to be proved wrong and see that despite our argument you can actually end up agreeing with points that weren't necessarily yours at the beginning.

 

I just wish that you could agree with me too about the fact that having 3 or 4 slightly OP tanks in a game with well over a hundred tanks doesn't break it at all but it just makes it more real, varied, fun and challenging, and all that without statshaming and invalidating me cause I dare to mention the whiners and crybabies that moisten the forums and ingame chat with their tears everyday.


Edited by AverageWannabe, Apr 24 2019 - 02:39.


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View Postsleeper_agent, on Apr 23 2019 - 15:18, said:

 This is too bad as those two meds were fully capable to take on any other class. These changes dont necessarily balance them as much as handicap them now.

 

I guess that means all other medums were crippled the whole time then.

 



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Pretty wild that blatantly sexist insults aren’t resulting in any moderator action here, but ok.

To the actual point: while the 430u obviously needs a nerf if balance is the actual goal (a huge “if” when dealing with gaming companies, particularly free-to-play ones that boost short term profits at the expense of gameplay and long term sustainability by pursuing an ever-changing meta of imbalance to encourage quick sales), I honestly kinda see these changes in a similar light to the 4005 changes; both nerf the vehicles in an apparent attempt at control of the population of the tanks in battles, without touching the (IMO) actual problem points of the vehicles. The 4005 is getting mobility and (iirc) gun handling nerfs, instead of dealing with the rng 183 HESH that is the actual issue. The 430u is getting DPM and gun handling nerfs (lol at that for a brawling med), instead of the bonkers-for-a-medium armor profile that is the actual issue (at least vs lower tiers). I’m still not a big fan of the alpha, because of how it affects relics like the 121 and 113, but that’s probably a pointless criticism at this point honestly. I just don’t understand why WG is choosing to just make OP tanks or broken mechanics less fun to play, rather than making changes that actually even attempt to deal with the actual issues that the vehicles have.

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literally 430 and 430u needed the following changes. LITERALLY THESE AND NOTHING ELSE

 

430 - take 10mm off armor on front plate (its 1 plate, diff angles for upper and lower).  reduce the effective 400+ armor zones on the turret to 300 effective. just remodel the turret

 

430U - 15mm off of upper plate. 5mm off of lower plate. this scales the effective pen by fair amount.  remove that idiotic 30mm spaced side skirt or change it to 10mm. reduce cupola effective from 300+ to AN ACTUAL [edited]CUPOLA. 

 

thats all you had to do wg to fix these tanks. thats all you literally had to do. all you had to do... 



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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:36, said:

 There, i fixed it for ya...

 

Btw, just realized you're a woman, which explains a lot. Just keep your point of view and I'll keep mine, no point in arguing with you.

 

Have a good one.

 

Man, there is so much wrong with just this middle sentence. "Oh you're a woman". What a stupid way to act. Its immature, its child like. I'd call you a maggot but good lord man, maggots have a use in this world and you dont. I'm dropping down to your level for just this comment, cause if i know i stay here, idiocy wins just by experience alone and i know when to run from a battle. 

Such an immature counter argument. Multiple people across multiple discords are laughing at you for that comment alone, and its enjoyable the roasts im getting, but tbf, you wouldnt even make a juicy roast beef if it werent for them, I'll be following you closely in the future for more juicy content <3



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Well, I got the 430 yesterday and am 8/8 in it.  Guess I'll enjoy it while it lasts and dump my crew back into the T-44 and grind out the T-54. 

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 18:56, said:

 

well.... it makes it more enjoyable to me and to a few other people with whom i've talked about this subject. As I said i like to face OP tanks as well as excellent players. I think it adds up to a more real, interesting and challenging game.  I like having tanks more challenging than others to defeat.

 

And i don't play those OP tanks that much to be honest... they aren't even my favorite tanks. I really like the 430U though cause it is so nimble with a punchy gun and that awesome armor... such a fun tank to play.

 

you just said exactly why it NEEDS a nerf.




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