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Obj 430 and 430U incoming nerf, your thoughts!?


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AnArmyofBun #21 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:54

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View PostTrauglodyte, on Apr 23 2019 - 07:51, said:

The one thing that people need to keep in mind, in regards to the Obj 430/430U changes, is that there are still 3 other tier 10 Russian Mediums in this game.  There has to be some semblance of niche, between the 4 of them.  The K-91 is and will always be the king of Russian blyat sniping.  But, from there, you've got the Object 140, Object 430U, and the T-62A.  The 430U should be the most heavily armored of them, which it is, thus meaning that it can't be a high DPM tank.  So, they now need to figure out how to make the 140 and the T-62A different enough that people will want to play them both.

 

140 is the all rounder.  62a is the all rounder with a Stalinium Turret.

gpc_4 #22 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:10

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Still have armor and alpha. Nerfs aren't changing that.

AnArmyofBun #23 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:12

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The 430u is broken.  I feel so confident in that tank.  Like over confident.  The last time I took it out I successfully unleashed a can of blyat all over a french unicum platoon of a batchat 25t a 50b and a EBR 105.  I shouldn't be able to engage a heavy autoloader, a medium autoloader, and a light tank (start to late game) at different points and feel absolutely confident.  The tank is OP.  It will still be "very good".  It won't be "as broken" but it's not going to the dead heap like the STB-1. 

ThatoneguyKaz #24 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:24

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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:12, said:

The 430u is broken.  I feel so confident in that tank.  Like over confident.  The last time I took it out I successfully unleashed a can of blyat all over a french unicum platoon of a batchat 25t a 50b and a EBR 105.  I shouldn't be able to engage a heavy autoloader, a medium autoloader, and a light tank (start to late game) at different points and feel absolutely confident.  The tank is OP.  It will still be "very good".  It won't be "as broken" but it's not going to the dead heap like the STB-1. 

 

whats stinks is the stb was already bad and theyre making it worse

ClydeCooper421 #25 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:31

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View PostZourn, on Apr 23 2019 - 05:55, said:

I literally just started to grind to the OBJ430 yesterday.. On paper they still look good though! :confused:

 

yup this was exactly me too. l had the t44 unlocked from 140 line grind, and decided to re-purchase it yesterday because l didn't think the 430u would get nerfed soon. rip me

Matross #26 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:38

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Leo looks fun, STB def got hit with the nerfbat (dispersion is terrible now, but it went UP?!), great for hydraulic suspension, but still... compensate dirt shells with even higher dpm? I guess??? AMX looks fun to play. Going to be interesting with 2 sneaky+fast high alpha mediums running around, and a spray-and-pray hull down japanese medium on hills. Kinda wished the buffed the old heavies (IS4/E100) first, but oh well. 

theenjoyerofgames #27 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:50

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the issue is that the 430u has incredibly strong armour all around and its turret "weakspots" are practically impervious to AP from another 430u. tier 10 heavies like the e 100 have worse turret armour all round which is absolutely ridiculous. the reasons the 430u is strong are still there.

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View Posttheenjoyerofgames, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:50, said:

the issue is that the 430u has incredibly strong armour all around and its turret "weakspots" are practically impervious to AP from another 430u. tier 10 heavies like the e 100 have worse turret armour all round which is absolutely ridiculous. the reasons the 430u is strong are still there.

 

Agreed, the 430 and 430u are way over-armored both as mediums and as high-tier tanks overall. 

Trauglodyte #29 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:55

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View PostMatross, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:38, said:

Leo looks fun, STB def got hit with the nerfbat (dispersion is terrible now, but it went UP?!), great for hydraulic suspension, but still... compensate dirt shells with even higher dpm? I guess??? AMX looks fun to play. Going to be interesting with 2 sneaky+fast high alpha mediums running around, and a spray-and-pray hull down japanese medium on hills. Kinda wished the buffed the old heavies (IS4/E100) first, but oh well. 

 

You're looking at the STB, in the context of it being a ranged Medium.  With the hydrodynamic suspension, it is now a short-medium range hull down Medium with the better than Swedium option of being a midrange Medium, while on the move.  It LOOKS like it got nerfed.  But, if you haven't played the test server, to check out the new tier 8-10 Swediums, you're missing the big picture on how the STB will play.  Plus, it has the one thing that the Strv 15/16 doesn't have - turret forward location.


People are REALLY missing the details, on the STB.



RMxR #30 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:56

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It is OP due the combination of armor/mobility/firepower and they are just nerfing one of them, they are doing nerfs that would hurt a sniper tank but 430 is a brawler...so i don't think is the nerf we needed, i hope that these gun stats nerfs change the way players drive the 430, i hope.

mlinke #31 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:58

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They just git gud in breaking things

AnArmyofBun #32 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:00

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View PostTrauglodyte, on Apr 23 2019 - 08:55, said:

 

You're looking at the STB, in the context of it being a ranged Medium.  With the hydrodynamic suspension, it is now a short-medium range hull down Medium with the better than Swedium option of being a midrange Medium, while on the move.  It LOOKS like it got nerfed.  But, if you haven't played the test server, to check out the new tier 8-10 Swediums, you're missing the big picture on how the STB will play.  Plus, it has the one thing that the Strv 15/16 doesn't have - turret forward location.


People are REALLY missing the details, on the STB.

 

The issue with the STB is - it's turret isn't actually strong.  It looks strong.  But it isn't.  The STRV turrets are not pennable by even high end heat.  Losing alpha and pen will make that midrange role much less valuable.  We'll have to see how it plays out but the turret has always been a weak point of the STB-1.  However I do love that Swedium is catching on.

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Shell velocity and mobility were the only redeeming features of STB so now it will be nerfed to useless. Hydrocrap means nothing since turret is weak - being hull down is not how to play STB.

AnArmyofBun #34 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:02

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View PostSporkBoy, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:01, said:

Shell velocity and mobility were the only redeeming features of STB so now it will be nerfed to useless. Hydrocrap means nothing since turret is weak - being hull down is not how to play STB.

 

^ This.

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View Postteamoldmill, on Apr 23 2019 - 15:53, said:

 

They are only nerfing on paper. The things that make the Soviet tanks rock are still there. the buffs they give to most other tanks are cosmetic, and actually do not impact gameplay. A Leo vs a 430 U does not happen at 450 meters. It happens around a hill or building at 50 meters. One blocked shell is a huge advantage. Same reason the Tiger H sucks, a slightly higher DPM does not overcome complete lack of armor.

You are too negative.  They are at least trying to make the game better now.  Matchmaking changes made the game alot more fun.  upcoming changes to gold rounds will make the game alot better and they are attempting to nerf overperforming tanks and buff underperforming tanks.  They may not get it right at first but they are not sticking their head in the sand anymore.



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Omg just read the article. They broke it to oblivion. WhatWabout tha buffs of stb1. It is garbage now and it will become garbage that can not pen or hit cause shell speed goes to half but it will have good turret turning abilities. It does not leave my garage, now I ll think about selling it. #hevytonk.only.game


Edited by mlinke, Apr 23 2019 - 17:09.


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The obj 430U is the one Tank that is my go to Tank when I feel I need to kick puppies and now you want to nerf it... Thanks Wargaming!

AverageWannabe #38 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:16

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Kitten whiners screwing up the nice tanks! They can't handle having good tanks in the game, everything needs to be equal just like in real life.... wait, what?.... darned communist gamers!

 

I for one like having OP tanks to play and to deal with, it makes the game more interesting and more challenging, but these crying babies keep screwing it up.

 

Congrats to you i guess for dumbing down the game.


Edited by AverageWannabe, Apr 23 2019 - 19:02.


AnArmyofBun #39 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:22

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View PostAverageWannabe, on Apr 23 2019 - 09:16, said:

Effin kitten whiners screwing up the nice tanks! They can't handle having good tanks in the game, everything needs to be equal just like in real life.... wait, what?.... darned communist gamers!

 

I for one like having OP tanks to play and to deal with, it makes the game more interesting and more challenging, but these crying babies keep screwing it up.

 

Congrats to you i guess for dumbing down the game.

 

..You barely even play tier 10 and have some of the worst stats I have ever seen.  You really have no place commenting on tank changes to things that are clearly broken like the 430U.  I don't mean to be offensive but vs you every tank is OP.  Every tank in your hands is very UP.  This is your average damage in the 430U after 40 battles: 852.  Mine is 3124 after 34. 

 

Your EBR 105: 515

Obj 430: 770.


You literally cannot do more than 2 shells of damage a game.  In any tank.  OP or not.  Except in the t10.  You do 3-4 shots in that. 
 



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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:22, said:

 

..You barely even play tier 10 and have some of the worst stats I have ever seen.  You really have no place commenting on tank changes to things that are clearly broken like the 430U.  I don't mean to be offensive but vs you every tank is OP.  Every tank in your hands is very UP.  This is your average damage in the 430U after 40 battles: 852.  Mine is 3124 after 34. 

 

Your EBR 105: 515

Obj 430: 770.


You literally cannot do more than 2 shells of damage a game.  In any tank.  OP or not.  Except in the t10.  You do 3-4 shots in that. 
 

 

So what?

 

Happy now after your stat shaming tantrum? 


Edited by AverageWannabe, Apr 23 2019 - 17:29.





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