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Medium Tanks Rebalance: In the Pursuit of Excellence

1.5.1 Rebalance STB-1 Leopard 1 AMX 30 B Object 430 Object 430U

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The_Illusive_Man #1 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:20

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So, this is the second iteration of the mass rebalance. Lets talk about it:

The STB-1 and Its Branch

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This is a bit of a nerf, not what I would call great though. Nerfing its standard pen will make more people shot gold rounds. "Finally, we're planning to equip the STB-1 with a commonly requested game feature: hydropneumatic suspension " This is great. But first they want to test it, so we will see it in 23 months. 

 

The Leopard 1

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All around buff. Nice to see this happening. 

The AMX 30 B

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Another all around buff.

The Object 430 and the Object 430U  

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Both tanks are getting nerfs. Not sure if it will have the desired effect or not.

 

All in all, not a bad round. But also not a good round. Most of these tanks are not common tanks. Would have been nice to see the T110E5 buffed, and maybe a few others. But at this rate of releases, we MIGHT see the entire list of T10's rebalanced before the year is out.

 

So, what would I suggest? Make use of the Sandbox server. That way you can live rebalance tanks till they are much more inline. And thus you should be able to release batches larger than 3-5 tanks at a time.



_Xpozed_ #2 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:27

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whats even more funny I literally just bought the 430u before reading this like 2 hours ago, was debating to get it or the is7 and sucks to hear its getting nerfed when I just bought it. Talk about bad timing..

Anublister #3 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:30

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They've been promising to do this for a long time, but I'm not sure they get it.

 

The 430U is played because of it's high dpm and it's excellent armor. I don't see that changing.

 

The Leo 1 is going to be a sniper, so they change it's ammo to regular AP. Did they not get the memo that snipers snipe from long range and adding an ammo type that has reduced penetration over distance might not be something appropriate? It's looking like an oversized lower camo version of a lt tank at tier 10. No bueno.

 

The AMX 30B has a bit fat ZIT on it's head. That's why it isn't played much.

 

Does WG know how the player base play these tanks? It doesn't seem like it.



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View Post_Xpozed_, on Apr 23 2019 - 11:27, said:

whats even more funny I literally just bought the 430u before reading this like 2 hours ago, was debating to get it or the is7 and sucks to hear its getting nerfed when I just bought it. Talk about bad timing..

 

Its not that bad......

Lugia345 #5 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:31

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Wait the nerf the most [edited]y tier X medium?

wthand ppl still say there is no russian bias lawl



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View PostAnublister, on Apr 23 2019 - 11:30, said:

They've been promising to do this for a long time, but I'm not sure they get it.

 

The 430U is played because of it's high dpm and it's excellent armor. I don't see that changing.

 

The Leo 1 is going to be a sniper, so they change it's ammo to regular AP. Did they not get the memo that snipers snipe from long range and adding an ammo type that has reduced penetration over distance might not be something appropriate? It's looking like an oversized lower camo version of a lt tank at tier 10. No bueno.

 

The AMX 30B has a bit fat ZIT on it's head. That's why it isn't played much.

 

Does WG know how the player base play these tanks? It doesn't seem like it.

 

Unless im mistaken, APRC loses pen over distance MUCH faster than AP.....

 

WG devs dont play the game. They have proved this time and time again (look at how long the MM fixes took....)



Cthulhu #7 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:39

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I really have to say this: you are butchering the leo 1. Here is the proper way to rework it. 

 

1. Improve the camo value significantly

2. Improve the APCR pen to at least 340 (post buff)

 

There. 

 

Or alternatively, give it armor. 



cavalry11 #8 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:46

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As usual WG shows they have no idea what goes on in the game all they can ever do is screw with tanks and normally really mess things up.

Sturm_Teufel #9 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:51

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Not happy about the shell velocity nerfs and top speed nerf to the STB. Or the traverse nerf to the Leo. On the other hand, when are they going to fix light tanks? WG needs to just undo the many nerfs they hit the LT branches with all that time ago.

PAP0 #10 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 15:52

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STB-1:  Was the bad dispersion/soft stats for dispersion what made the STB-1 painful to begin with?  So why would they decrease that stat?

 

Leo 1:  I like the look of the Leo 1, was on the fence about finishing the 9 and getting it but will probably pick it up if these changes go through.

 

430U:  Have this tank but it seems like an armour rework of some sort would be better? IDK.



McMadd #11 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:07

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Arty player here to remind you: "rebalance" means "nerf into the ground."

the_dude_76 #12 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:11

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View PostAnublister, on Apr 23 2019 - 08:30, said:

 

The Leo 1 is going to be a sniper, so they change it's ammo to regular AP. Did they not get the memo that snipers snipe from long range and adding an ammo type that has reduced penetration over distance might not be something appropriate? 

 

 

APCR loses more pen over distance than does AP...



RMxR #13 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:22

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The main issue with the Obj.430 is their armor but any nerf is welcome, let's see if these changes affect their playstile.

 

I'm looking forward to test the Leopard 1, they changed the gun stats and that is the current main issue with the tank in the game, i hope the Leo 1 is now better at gun performance.



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Time to move some crews around...

Einzelganger7 #15 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:35

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I hope they also do something to the E-50 M, I find it good overall but with the exception of the front turret armor, 185mm is laughable. Wot Blitz' E-50 M has 250mm.

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Leave my Mutz alone :izmena:

Insanefriend #17 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 16:52

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Leo changes look good, the biggest problem it had was the gun being troll and not being that much faster then the armored mediums.

 

430u they missed the problem with the tank unless there is a armor rework along with the listed changes.  Silly heavy tank in medium tank armor.

 

Amx 30 b, just straight up buff.

 

STB-1  the shell changes seem stupid, what is the point of super low velocity apcr?  Having heat as a option was nice to have, it helps vs super sloped armor like the strv 103b.  



Mikosah #18 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:04

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Impressions in a nutshell:

-Don't screw around with unconventional alpha values, 390 for high tier 105mm guns works fine. Balance with other attributes.

-STB changes are way too complicated. Just give it the new suspension and see if that alone makes it viable.

-430 and 430u are being rightfully nerfed, though truthfully armor is the problem.

-Leo 1 and 30b are more or less being taken in the right direction, though see above.



tanopasman62 #19 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:13

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STB-1 changes look terrible, nerfing the standard pen when they intend to nerf gold in the future is a bad idea, reduced alpha is also Leo 1's better speed and higher alpha look nice on the other hand, I am unsure about the gold pen, but whatever.

 

AMX 30 is looking godly, hard to believe they're making a French tank good.



Ortinoth_ #20 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:27

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wargaming has no idea how to rebalance tanks




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