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ZipperDown #1 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:42

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So you wargaming nerfed the accuracy and penetration on the amx 30 b and it became the least played tier ten. So now your going to do the same to the stb 1. Do guys ever learn. All you had to do was buff the disperion and add the suspension.  This is rediclous. 

ZipperDown #2 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:46

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And there nerfing its shell speed by 1/3. Yet they want it to shoot from a distance as a support tank.

_Tsavo_ #3 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:47

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I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 10:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 10:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

I imagine he seen the velocity lower a lot.. they do this to make the wheeled cars more of a pain in the a##

xXNakka #5 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:52

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Yep this not what i expected when they said they were going to fix the STB-1. BS wargaming......

_Tsavo_ #6 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:55

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View PostDead_Zombie, on Apr 23 2019 - 11:50, said:

 

 

I imagine he seen the velocity lower a lot.. they do this to make the wheeled cars more of a pain in the a##

 

as an avid wheelieboi, I'm okay with this

Hellsfog #7 Posted Apr 23 2019 - 17:58

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 11:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

The problem with the STB-1 has always been it's gun handling and pen which these changes have made worse. I don't see how that is perceived as a buff. At this point, WG is trolling us. 

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

I don't think you properly looked at the proposed changes if you think that it isn't a nerf. They're nerfing its alpha damage to 360 whilst only buffing the DPM by 33, so the AMX 30 B (which is getting massive penetration buffs) still has 390 alpha, almost 200 more DPM and way WAY better gun handling (as well as way better speed and mobility). 

 

Also, for whatever reason, they're changing the standard APCR shells to AP and drastically reducing shell velocity, and changing the premium HEAT rounds to APCR, and also nerfing the premium shell velocity DESPITE BEING CHANGED FROM HEAT TO APCR. They're also nerfing the top speed and the view range. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?



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looks like Tsavo chai sniper a lot with low tiers tanks..to talk like that... we are talking here about that theres no reason to nerf the STB1 not at all, the tank is not even on a meta have good [edited]time, and now they literally make it worse. if you don't see a problem is cause you chai snipe with every tank, then its ok to you. but to ppl like me that support the team i middle combat range, the STB-1 was the best but with this damage, and shell nerf things will get ridiculous hard.

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The way I view it, the new Suspension mechanics will not help it either, as (at least of yet) they have not even mentioned anything about changing the armor layout of the turret, making the mantlet still as garbage as most tier 7 heavies. yah, It will have more depression, but now even less gun handling to use it for, less pen, less velocity, less alpha, and the complete removal of heat will effectively force it to stay exposed for longer periods, and will just allow every other medium and their three distant cousins to aim in and butterknife the way through the turret's center. If all we get in return for all these costs is a silly suspension mechanic, I would rather have the STB stay the way it is right now.

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 16:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

30 striking damage per shot is worth more than 33 gained DPM. 

Loss of shell velocity on both ammo types.

Loss of accuracy, less view range.

 

l would call those nerfs. Even if they did touch up on rate of fire, dispersion, HP, track traverse, reverse.

When they buffed lS7 HP 250, changed .18/.18/.08 to .15/.15/.06,  gave it 150 horsepower, gave it .02 aim-time  ......can you please re-tell me what they nerfed as well for balance?  Nothing, that was what they nerfed, nothing. They just flat out buffed the tank.

 

They are nicely buffing half of Leopard, AMX30, STB1 - then grudgingly raping the other half. On tanks not particularly popular or good to being with. These tanks need BUFFS, not trades. 



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View PostChiaki_Nanamii, on Apr 23 2019 - 12:14, said:

looks like Tsavo chai sniper a lot with low tiers tanks..to talk like that... we are talking here about that theres no reason to nerf the STB1 not at all, the tank is not even on a meta have good [edited]time, and now they literally make it worse. if you don't see a problem is cause you chai snipe with every tank, then its ok to you. but to ppl like me that support the team i middle combat range, the STB-1 was the best but with this damage, and shell nerf things will get ridiculous hard.

 

incorrect, but don't let that stop your thought process.

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View PostHellsfog, on Apr 23 2019 - 11:58, said:

 

The problem with the STB-1 has always been it's gun handling and pen which these changes have made worse. I don't see how that is perceived as a buff. At this point, WG is trolling us. 

 

Possible, though i get the feeling this'll make ridge play and close fights a little better.  Or maybe I'm reading things wrong.

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 18:34, said:

 

Possible, though i get the feeling this'll make ridge play and close fights a little better.  Or maybe I'm reading things wrong.

I dont thing the suspension system will be as effective on it as the swediums



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The listed changes to the pen are at 500m. Also, this is just the supertest so nothing is final.

Edited by Hambijon, Apr 23 2019 - 18:39.


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View PostHambijon, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:37, said:

The listed changes to the velocity and pen are at 500m. Also, this is just the supertest so nothing is final.

 

Proof? because WG have never used 500m as benchline for testing.

That would mean the Leo 1 has 300mm AP pen, and 352 ish APCR pen.

 

Edit: Veery interesting, the article was updated


Edited by Canadian_Mano, Apr 23 2019 - 18:40.


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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:47, said:

I'm actually looking forward to it and will play my STB-1 more.  I dunno how it can be perceived as a nerf.  

 

lol ecks dee

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View PostHambijon, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:37, said:

The listed changes to the pen are at 500m. Also, this is just the supertest so nothing is final.

 

If I'm reading this right then, the standard APCR currently travels at nearly 1500m/s at 500m? But the premium APCR after the proposed changes will travel at 950m/s? Doesn't make much sense pal.

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View PostHaruhi_Suzumiya_, on Apr 23 2019 - 12:43, said:

 

lol ecks dee

 

I mean, combining this with the armor profile on Krzyboop's post makes me think this will be a better mid/close-in ridgeline fighter.  It'll fit my playstyle a bit better

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Posted this in the official thread but here it is again just in case:

We improved and strengthened the frontal armor around the gun, so the STB-1 got rid of the vulnerable weak spot.

We also improved the turret armor and fixed some similar weak spots, making it harder to penetrate.  

It should be noted that these changes are not yet final, and more may happen after supertests. 

 Existing armor values:
New Armor Values:



I'm not entirely sure as to the motivation behind reducing penetration, I'm thinking it may be an effort to slightly reduce the dominance of tier X mediums in Random Battles? Agile heavies dominate the competitive meta, but redline sniping in mediums is still generally the go-to solution for farming damage in tier X. I'm just spitballing here, though.

I also think an effort is being made to fit the vehicle comfortably in a specific role, because currently it's a mediocre jack-of-all-trades that's a master of none. With the hydropneumatic suspension and extra turret armor, it should theoretically fit into a similar role as the m48 Patton - mid-range ridgeline support. 

Personally (this is just my opinion so feel free to take it with a grain of salt) the STB-1 would benefit from some kind of additional buff to characteristically set it apart from the new Swediums, because currently they seem to be better at mid-range support than the STB-1 regardless of buffs. On the other hand, gun depression is my favorite stat so if it's going to have amazing depression with the hydropneumatic suspension, you will theoretically be exposing much less of your turret overall when you're poking a ridge.

 






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