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My_Name_Is_Nobody_ #41 Posted Apr 25 2019 - 00:23

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View Posttanopasman62, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:00, said:

The tank is already known for being lackluster, reducing its alpha, mobility and pen for that [edited]suspension is just making the tank worse, if these are your changes, leave it as is.

 

Agreed.

 

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Edited by My_Name_Is_Nobody_, Apr 25 2019 - 00:34.


Avalon304 #42 Posted Apr 25 2019 - 02:11

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View Post_Xi, on Apr 24 2019 - 15:15, said:

Why in the world should I play the new STB-1 over a russian medium, Progetto, Bat Chat, or the Patton? What does it have over them? Too complicated, all they had to do, was buff the turret, fix the wonky dispersion, and come through by giving the tank that new siege mode. Vehicle would have its own identity that is a very versatile tank. 

 

Well just over a russian medium it'll likely have either same or more DPM, and anywhere from 5 to 6 degrees more gun depression. Over the Progetto it'll have consistent DPM rather than burst potential. Over the Bat Chat consistent DPM. And it'll be a lower profile than the Patton with more gun depression. It will have plusses to all the tanks you listed.



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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 23 2019 - 23:56, said:

 

360 alpha doesnt seem to have stopped the Italian tier 9 and 10 mediums from being exceptionally good vehicles... so Im not that worried to be honest. 30 alpha is really nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

Considering the Italians get auto reloaders, the damage difference of 30 would not be very noticeable compared to 30 on a normal tank gun.

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Leave the STB-1 alone! This sounds familiar...

 



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View PostWhosMans, on Apr 24 2019 - 20:12, said:

 

Considering the Italians get auto reloaders, the damage difference of 30 would not be very noticeable compared to 30 on a normal tank gun.

 

Autoreloaders only go so far, then you either have to wait a long time to reload the gun for a single shot, or an even longer time to reload the entire drum. 

 

Lets also look at the RU mediums, which have 320 alpha and still get used often and after the changes the STB will have a better handling gun and better turret armor with more gun depression. And you have acceptable mobility with fantastic for tier and class power to weight.



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View Posttanopasman62, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:00, said:

The tank is already known for being lackluster, reducing its alpha, mobility and pen for that [edited]suspension is just making the tank worse, if these are your changes, leave it as is.

 

oh poor baby , med. tanks getting adjusted, welcome to the arty side of life,

Metal_Church #47 Posted Apr 25 2019 - 08:27

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View Postshiil, on Apr 23 2019 - 15:45, said:

This is flat out Nerf, stb-1 already got a good gun depression and any standard pen nerfs is just likelike as player to fire more and more premium ammo.

Wot admins love penetration nerfs so much that they forgot what destroyed the AMX 30B in the first place.

 

oh poor baby , med. tanks getting adjusted, welcome to the arty side of life, 

jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #48 Posted Apr 25 2019 - 08:30

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View PostMetal_Church, on Apr 25 2019 - 08:27, said:

 

oh poor baby , med. tanks getting adjusted, welcome to the arty side of life, 

even if they are removed you will still be mediocre fapping at the red line in a cancer td. 



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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 24 2019 - 19:11, said:

 

Well just over a russian medium it'll likely have either same or more DPM, and anywhere from 5 to 6 degrees more gun depression. Over the Progetto it'll have consistent DPM rather than burst potential. Over the Bat Chat consistent DPM. And it'll be a lower profile than the Patton with more gun depression. It will have plusses to all the tanks you listed.

 

DPM is meaningless when you don't have the protection or something to keep your vehicle safe. Russian meds have turret armor, the Progetto has more burst potential and a better gun, BC has speed, mobility, on top of great burst potential. The Patton has a better gun and more protection though, what good does being low profile do when a T49 can shoot you anywhere hit you for 900+? 

 

DPM isn't the end all be all statistic. You have got to have something that can protect your vehicle. Any time the STB exposes itself, it's going to take damage, arty shreds you, and HE dominates you. If they gave the STB the worst dpm but buffed the gun/turret, it would instantly be better than what it is now. I don't have to worry about taking full HE damage when people shoot me. 



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View Post_Xi, on Apr 26 2019 - 00:30, said:

 

DPM is meaningless when you don't have the protection or something to keep your vehicle safe. Russian meds have turret armor, the Progetto has more burst potential and a better gun, BC has speed, mobility, on top of great burst potential. The Patton has a better gun and more protection though, what good does being low profile do when a T49 can shoot you anywhere hit you for 900+? 

 

DPM isn't the end all be all statistic. You have got to have something that can protect your vehicle. Any time the STB exposes itself, it's going to take damage, arty shreds you, and HE dominates you. If they gave the STB the worst dpm but buffed the gun/turret, it would instantly be better than what it is now. I don't have to worry about taking full HE damage when people shoot me. 

 

DPM isnt meaningless at all. Not even when youre in a tank with low armor. Thats literally a stupid thing to say. Being low profile is just as good, because it leaves less of your tank to hit when you poke up over the ridge. And no... and T49 cant hit you anywhere and deal 900 damage, because hitting the turret isnt a guaranteed penetration, and if a T49 doesnt penetrate then its going to be doing on average 405 damage with its HE round and thats before the rest of the HE splash damage calculation. So that situation never happens, but thanks for trying to make up an impossible situation to try and prove your point. (If a T49 is penning your STB-1 its doing it by penetrating either somewhere on your hull or is getting the side of your turret).

 

That being said I guess its a good thing that in addition to the substantial gun handling buffs (in aimtime and movement and hull traverse buffs) that the tank is getting its ALSO getting a buffed turret, right?:

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/602695-crazy-nerfs-to-stb-1/page__pid__12089237#entry12089237



spud_tuber #51 Posted Apr 27 2019 - 05:17

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Good news everyone!

Or was that bad news?

Anyway, it seems the STB changes are headed back to drawing board after not achieving the desired results in supertest.




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