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Avalon304 #21 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:23

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View PostXplato, on Apr 23 2019 - 18:45, said:

 

maybe oh I don't know it's because it fires 4 shells? Let me ask you why should any other tier 10 medium be afraid of the STB? It can't out trade other tanks, it can't out DPM them either.

 

360 Alpha is beyond bad. It will mostly kill the tank. tell me do you actually realize what 30 Damage does? 30 Damage is the difference between a win and a loss. just like useless Shell velocity is also the difference between winning a flank, and losing.

 

What do you mean it cant out DPM them? The STB has like the 3rd or 4th highest tier 10 medium DPM both now and after the change. It can literally out DPM the majority of tier 10 medium tanks.

 

360 alpha is fine. As is the shell velocity, especially at the ranges youre meant to engage at (so you know not 400+ meters).



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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:23, said:

 

What do you mean it cant out DPM them? The STB has like the 3rd or 4th highest tier 10 medium DPM both now and after the change. It can literally out DPM the majority of tier 10 medium tanks.

 

360 alpha is fine. As is the shell velocity, especially at the ranges youre meant to engage at (so you know not 400+ meters).

Russian mediums have in practice DPM. 30B has higher, two tier 10 TD's have much higher, along with a certain teir 10 french autoloading TD. 907 too.

 

The only non autoloaders it can out DPM are the leopord 1, E50M, and the 121. Fatton and russian meds match it's DPM and the 30B surpases it.

 

360 alpha is trash. it means the STB has zero fear factor. it also means the STB will be out traded by every other tier 10 medium.

 

Shell velocity will kill the tank it's not about sniping with the worst in class shell velocity the tank will be handicapped to the point where it will be useless. even the 121 has better shell velocity. The thing will be usless in both close quaters and medium range. close quaters thanks to it's abymsal alpha, and lack of DPM to make it scary(and while lacking russian meds superior gun stats, and armor), not to mention the turret is basically 0MM against teir 10 mediums, and no the buff's to the turret don't change that.

 

And it will be usless at medium range too.

 

But hey at least it will be a free 2,000 damage for every M48, 30B, AX,russian hovermed, every heavy, basically every tank that isn't the panzerwagon...



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #23 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:41

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View PostAsassian7, on Apr 23 2019 - 23:30, said:

Bollocks.

 

No one I know would have ever said "yes, this is how we want the STB to play" only WGs crazy logic would think that.

 

you are wrong

 

the masses cried the STB was broken op omegalul before it even made it into the game. did you forget?  so you see, WG listens to feedback. they nerf it once, then use same comments to nerf it again :))



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #24 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:43

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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 24 2019 - 00:56, said:

 

360 alpha doesnt seem to have stopped the Italian tier 9 and 10 mediums from being exceptionally good vehicles... so Im not that worried to be honest. 30 alpha is really nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

the tier 9 is fine but hardly exceptional, the tier 10 is trash. what are you smoking? same herb as wg?

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Just read some russian forums I crapyou not: Wg thinks the STB will be a good aggressor.

 

HOLY crapthe devs are [edited]delisional. Like I actually think the minsk water lines have been replaced with Vodka.

 

 

 



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #26 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:45

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^^ yeah i like how in the beginning they try to defend and say "we know best" but eventually give up and run and hide as the savagery intensifies. 

Avalon304 #27 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:48

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View Postjsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:43, said:

 

the tier 9 is fine but hardly exceptional, the tier 10 is trash. what are you smoking? same herb as wg?

 

The Standard B is one of the better tier 9 mediums and the Progetto 65 is pretty ok at worst from everything Ive seen of it. The STB will also be ok at worst here... so Im not seeing an issue, especially since its actually just garbage right now.

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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:48, said:

 

The Standard B is one of the better tier 9 mediums and the Progetto 65 is pretty ok at worst from everything Ive seen of it. The STB will also be ok at worst here... so Im not seeing an issue, especially since its actually just garbage right now.

 

the Fact you can't see the issue with flat out nerfing one of the worst tier 10 mediums, with no real buffs to counteract that is quite telling.

 

and you still don't seem to understand that the STB doesn't have an autoreloader either...



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #29 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:56

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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 24 2019 - 03:48, said:

 

The Standard B is one of the better tier 9 mediums and the Progetto 65 is pretty ok at worst from everything Ive seen of it. The STB will also be ok at worst here... so Im not seeing an issue, especially since its actually just garbage right now.

 

standard b is one of the better but thats not saying much and certainly is not exceptional. it is worse than the t8 pizza for sure. you really need 3x fancy equipment on it to tame that atrocious gun. also  with the new mm changes t9 will see a lot more t10 and far less t7 in their games so expect that whole tier to shift in the coming months.

 

you are not seeing the issue of them destroying tanks for no reason? what is left thats fun in this game anymore.... wheel [edited]? drive around the map like a [edited]over and over? its kinda the thing tho



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View PostXplato, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:54, said:

 

the Fact you can't see the issue with flat out nerfing one of the worst tier 10 mediums, with no real buffs to counteract that is quite telling.

 

 

That would be because they arent nerfing the tank. Theyre buffing it. And to behonest Im the least likely to listen to a player who was incapable of even being average in his STB-1.

 

You dont seem to get that the fact it has higher DPM than tank like the CAX, E 50 M, M48, and other tier 10 mediums means it can easily out DPM them. It still has 2.9k base DPM, which only 4 tier 10 mediums actually exceed, and only 2 tank even roughly meet. And since it'll still fire super quickly the 360 alpha wont be nearly as much of a problem as you think it is, just like those autoreloading tanks (and just like the Russian mediums with their 320 alpha dont have problems dealing with their lowest for tier alpha.)

 

View Postjsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:56, said:

 

standard b is one of the better but thats not saying much and certainly is not exceptional. it is worse than the t8 pizza for sure. you really need 3x fancy equipment on it to tame that atrocious gun. also  with the new mm changes t9 will see a lot more t10 and far less t7 in their games so expect that whole tier to shift in the coming months.

 

you are not seeing the issue of them destroying tanks for no reason? what is left thats fun in this game anymore.... wheel [edited]? drive around the map like a [edited]over and over? its kinda the thing tho

 

I mean tier 9 tanks have the least trouble dealing with tier 10s compared to anything else, so I dont actually expect anythign to actually change in regards to tier 9 MM. And to be honest the Standard B has a pretty great gun from its stats, and in no way need 3x fancy equipment to tame it.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/standard-b?t=leopard-pt-a~centurion-71~amx-30~skoda-t-50~t54e1~type-61~m46-patton~wz-120~obj-430-ii

 

Its certainly not the AMX 30 prot. or M46 Patton, but there are way worse handling guns at the tier, like the Centurion 7/1 for instance or the Leo PTA.

 

They arent destroying this tank (or any of the tanks in these changes), and I still find the game pretty fun. The 7/1 is still fun. The AMX 30 prot is still fun. My T29 is still fun. The KV-2 is hilarious on occasions. I still love my M103, and my T110E5. I find the Charioteer pretty fun. The Progetto 46. The Tiger I. The Tiger II. The M48. The T20. The CAX. The Caernarvon. The Centurion Mk. 5/1. The T-44-100. The Cromwell. The Fury. The Sheridan. The AMX 13 90. The AMX 13 57. The T57 Heavy. The Strv 103B. And plenty of other tanks that still reside in my garage. Still plenty of fun left in this game for me. And these changes make me want to really start playing the STB-1 again, because they look pretty fun too. They look interesting and different from other tank at tier. And Im ok with that. The Leo 1 changes look great too, as do the 30B changes.



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View PostClydeCooper421, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:12, said:

 

along with 360 alpha it's being butchered. 

 

and yet its DPM is increased

TankFullOfBourbon #32 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 06:30

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View Posttanopasman62, on Apr 23 2019 - 19:00, said:

The tank is already known for being lackluster, reducing its alpha, mobility and pen for that [edited]suspension is just making the tank worse, if these are your changes, leave it as is.

 

Indeed. This tank is as bad as they get and it's all down to gunhandling. So why not buff the gun handling and leave it at that, it's hardly like the STB-1 would become OP over-night?  

 

I also don't understand the rationale by reducing the pen when they swtiched the standard round from APCR to AP for the STB-1 and increasing the pen on the Leopard 1 when doing the same?

 

As it is now, the buffs are eaten up by the mediocre pen and the rest of the nerfs makes the tank [edited]tier. WTFP?



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View PostTankFullOfBourbon, on Apr 23 2019 - 22:30, said:

 

Indeed. This tank is as bad as they get and it's all down to gunhandling. So why not buff the gun handling and leave it at that, it's hardly like the STB-1 would become OP over-night?  

 

I also don't understand the rationale by reducing the pen when they swtiched the standard round from APCR to AP for the STB-1 and increasing the pen on the Leopard 1 when doing the same?

 

As it is now, the buffs are eaten up by the mediocre pen and the rest of the nerfs makes the tank [edited]tier. WTFP?

 

What mediocre pen? It still has 258mm of pen at 100m. The pen reduction occurs at 500m.

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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 24 2019 - 00:03, said:

 

That would be because they arent nerfing the tank. Theyre buffing it. And to behonest Im the least likely to listen to a player who was incapable of even being average in his STB-1.

 

You dont seem to get that the fact it has higher DPM than tank like the CAX, E 50 M, M48, and other tier 10 mediums means it can easily out DPM them. It still has 2.9k base DPM, which only 4 tier 10 mediums actually exceed, and only 2 tank even roughly meet. And since it'll still fire super quickly the 360 alpha wont be nearly as much of a problem as you think it is, just like those autoreloading tanks (and just like the Russian mediums with their 320 alpha dont have problems dealing with their lowest for tier alpha.)

 

It's a complete and total nerf, we both know they are not buffing, it just "rebalancing".  Also If I'm incapable of being averge in the STB, then what are you? LOL

 

you don't seem to understand that strait DPM is worthless without the alpha and shell velocity to back it up. doesn't work on a platform like the STB. it's not a 140,62A,907. all 3 tanks can work with 320 alpha, but also have a much faster ROF.

 

you still don't seem to understand that the 360 alpha kills the tank, along with it's other problems, and it got 2 buffs that actually helped it, all the while being nerfed in every other area.

 

The STB was nerfed, let's not kid ourselves, to say it was buffed is just being a [edited]fanboy.



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>Close range brawling medium

>35mm of side armor

>Still has .13 turret bloom

>Still has a driver's hatch that literally makes the gun depression pointless at close range

 

Nice meme Wargaming



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View PostXplato, on Apr 23 2019 - 21:03, said:

 

I'm going to miss the STB being even a remotely viable tank. Good to know WG is planning on killing the tank. The Type 61 is going to be better tier for tier, words I never thought I would say..
 

 

tier for tier? lol... at this rate it will be the better tank between the two flat out... higher alpha, better soft stats, better accuracy, same aim time and no nerf to penetration... 61 seems like a better tank period...

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The STB-1 is already a lower than average tank. Don't touch alpha, shell type, or speed please.

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View PostD_E_A_T_H_G_R_I_P_S, on Apr 24 2019 - 12:22, said:

>Close range brawling medium

>35mm of side armor

>Still has .13 turret bloom

>Still has a driver's hatch that literally makes the gun depression pointless at close range

 

Nice meme Wargaming

 

>easily penned turret after "Buffs"

>No alpha

>no turret armor

>-6 depression when not in siege mode

>5 KPH slower good luck getting to spots before Russian hovermeds/30B

>Still doesn't get enough DPM to make it a threat

>increase in PTW is the oppisote of the IS7 situation, has more power to weight but is too slow to use it.

>Any close range brawling medium will out damage it.

> still has module damage that makes the WZ-120 blush

 

Nice memes WG



jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #39 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 19:33

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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 24 2019 - 06:03, said:

 

100% grade prime FDA grassfed steroid inject [edited]

 

1. you have no idea what you are talking about

10001. you still have no idea what you are talking about

 

you gonna sit here and talk bs about tanks you havent touched and argue over paper stats? YOU ARE EVERYTHIGN THAT IS WRONG WITH PLAYERS

 

go away


Edited by jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1, Apr 24 2019 - 19:34.


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How does your tank react to being shot at? How can you negate the dangers of high alpha guns, HE SPAM, and arty? The STB-1 does poorly against ALL of these and if the turret was getting buffed like a Russian Med, THEN we'd be on to something. It could fight at close range with some decent protection. 

 

With these changes? You're forced into close range combat when in certain situations, that will be a NIGHTMARE scenario. You don't have flexibility, relocating in mid combat might be more difficult, and when your tank gets shot at, you're going to take damage almost every time. 

 

Why in the world should I play the new STB-1 over a russian medium, Progetto, Bat Chat, or the Patton? What does it have over them? Too complicated, all they had to do, was buff the turret, fix the wonky dispersion, and come through by giving the tank that new siege mode. Vehicle would have its own identity that is a very versatile tank. 






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