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T32 vs Caernarvon - how is that justified?


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slyther83 #1 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 02:56

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I'd just like to point out that basically both tanks have insane turrets/hulldown capacity, except the Caernarvon has literally 50% more DPM, gun handling, and 22 more penetration. Of course, I realize the Caernarvon is overpowered at the moment in terms of DPM, but what's the difference? Look at the tier 10 armor on the Object252U. Why does the T32 gun suck so badly for a slow tank with crap DPM and gun handling that can only hulldown? There are tanks with preferential matchmaking that have much better penetration than the T32.



SporkBoy #2 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:02

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Amerikanski fat and lazy - no good tonk for you - go to gulag!

Maltfourti #3 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:15

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T-32 need a new gun. Something that is actually between the tier7 and the tier9 in performance. The current gun works fine on the T-29, but suffers when uptiered to the T-32 with no changes.

slyther83 #4 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:23

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The gap between same tier tanks in some cases such as this is arguable to say the tanks shouldn't even be in the same tier.

Mokoma #5 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:24

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I expect that we’ll see a ~225 penetration change for the T32 whenever they get around to rebalancing tier 8’s.

CeIestiaLudenberg #6 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:40

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I reckon all the need to do is give the T32 the gun from the M46, but with the current DPM/gun handling.

 

That way, the T32 will still have lower DPM, but 390 alpha, and the T32 has a far better turret and the hull is also quite a bit better than the Caernarvon.



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lncrease the turret roof to 101mm, like stock turret not 76.  Increase commanders cupola to 190mm from 152.

The tank is supposed to be a hulldown tank. These weakness need to be removed

 

lncrease side armour slightly to 88mm from 76, so it can defensively sidescrape better. And so French high pen HE is less effective

Roof of front body needs to be made all 51mm, remove 38mm sections.  So arty does not penetrate it often

 

lncrease top speed to 37km/hr, reduce terrain resistances 1.05/1.25/2.40. This helps its mobility

 

Add -E2 suffix to gun, making it a new 105mm gun to grind. lncrease AP pen to 204mm Like Mutant 6, increase gold APCR pen to 259mm like Chrysler K

204/259 will help it out tremendously, increase accuracy to 0.38 so it can hit things. 

 

 

 



BlackFive #8 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 03:52

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Soft stats for T-32 are also garbage - which is probably part of the problem

LordSwaggyMcBadassington #9 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 04:27

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The T32 is a remnant of archaic tank balancing; actually, the American heavy line is. The Caernaveron is just one of many tanks which have begun to powercreep it (though the Caernaveron itself was pretty trash until they gave it the 32-pdr and improved DPM). A buff would be well in order.

 

Though in all actuality, I think it would be better to down-tier the T32 as a Tier VII and put something like the T43 prototype as the tier VIII. The T32 never mounted a 105 in real life and, even with it, the tank feels undergunned against the likes of an IS-3 or a Defender or the Caern. Putting it down a tier, and giving it the Super Pershing's variant of the T15E1 (which was what the tank historically used) would make it a tougher version of the T29, with slightly less firepower.

MCBAIN4EVER #10 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 10:40

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I sold the T32 TWICE before unlocking the M103, the gun is so bad it's frustrating.

I_QQ_4_U #11 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 18:32

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I love those rare games in the T32 where you get map that you can actually go hull down in an effective spot and there's no arty then sit there and bounce 5k worth of damage all the while missing or bouncing almost all your shots.

spud_tuber #12 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 19:40

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T32's turret is more effective, and with the better view range, it can actively spot and damage sponge even in tier 10 battles.  But that's about its only significant advantage over the caernarvon, afaik.

USSWISCONSIN94 #13 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 20:30

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Console buffed the T32 to 218AP and 260 APCR which is nice. Also didn't super over buff the Carny which really didn't nees that big of a buff

_Bagheera_ #14 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 21:15

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T32, IS3, TigerII and AMX 50-100 where never really touched to make up for the power creep and are still balanced as if they are they are still the top tanks at tier 8. 

 

T32's needed a penetration buff for years. IS3 while still the absolute best could use a nudge in the aim time. Tiger II is hopeless without probably a massive dpm buff like the Tiger 1 and more HP, and the 50-100 has needed a reduction to its reload for a while now. The Somua has 1 less shell but gets a 30 second reload while the amx gets basically 20 more seconds for 1 shell?  And why is the aim time still 3 seconds?



LordSwaggyMcBadassington #15 Posted Apr 26 2019 - 07:20

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on Apr 24 2019 - 20:30, said:

Console buffed the T32 to 218AP and 260 APCR which is nice. Also didn't super over buff the Carny which really didn't nees that big of a buff

 

Console is run by American devs; therefore Western tanks aren't nerfed unhistorically as they are in the PC game. IRL the T15E2 mounted on the T32 fired modified M82 rounds which could punch through 235mm of RHA plate; there was even a HVAP (APCR) round which could penetrate 350mm of armor, IIRC.

 

I'm not a tinfoil hat conspirator, but some elements of this game definately reek of Russian bias. The Super Pershing, T32, and M103 are all hugely undergunned compared to their real life counterparts (SP could penetrate 216mm with conventional APBC & 300+ with HVAP, and M103 had 280mm of penetration at ranges over 900m). Meanwhile the IS-3 gets a BL-9, which it never was planned to mount IRL, and the M62-T2 is all over the Russian tech tree, though it was only seriously considered for the T-10/IS-8. 

 


Edited by LordSwaggyMcBadassington, Apr 26 2019 - 07:20.


BlackFive #16 Posted Apr 26 2019 - 16:41

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View Post_Bagheera_, on Apr 24 2019 - 21:15, said:

T32, IS3, TigerII and AMX 50-100 where never really touched to make up for the power creep and are still balanced as if they are they are still the top tanks at tier 8. 

 

T32's needed a penetration buff for years. IS3 while still the absolute best could use a nudge in the aim time. Tiger II is hopeless without probably a massive dpm buff like the Tiger 1 and more HP, and the 50-100 has needed a reduction to its reload for a while now. The Somua has 1 less shell but gets a 30 second reload while the amx gets basically 20 more seconds for 1 shell?  And why is the aim time still 3 seconds?

 

The soft stats of the T-32 need to be tweaked so that the round actually goes where you aim.  Yes pen would be nice - but this tank was (even way back in the day) the one that made a joke of the so-called American Accuracy is Better Than Russian Accuracy in-game presumption (lie).   

Also - the hull down ability of this and T-29 were why the devs felt it was important to flatten the maps: because there were circumstances on the old maps where the US design philosophy (soft hull, strong turret) outperformed RU tanks. 

Now, a 'hull down' is something that hides your lower plate (but leaves upper hull armor and turret exposed) - and what tanks benefit from that?  ... Hmmmm?  Could it be... STALLIN






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