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GeneralChaos007 #1 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:37

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I would like to thank WG for once again providing a suitable MM system that has been anything but fun.  Tonight I played 9 games in my UDES 03, and out of those 9 games I was bottom tier +/- 2 in 7 of those games.  Quite frankly, and I don't care how many of you think the current system is fine as it is, MM is broken and it is much worse than it was before the last fix.  I have been tracking my games since the change and I have been bottom tier 77% of the time (both +/- 1 and +/-2).  That means that I have literally been equal or highest tier 23% of the time.  Wasn't that last change to MM supposed to make that better, not worse?

 

There have been a lot of threads lately about fixing the stacked groups.  It is the single easiest thing to fix, hell you can do it with a simple if/or/then check.  There is no reason why one team should end up with 11 players that have 6500+ ratings while the other team has zero.  How has this not been addressed?  Tonight I was in a game where the other team had 2 players 8500+, 1 player 9500+, and the rest 6000+ while my team had 1 player over 6000, the rest were 1500-3900.  I just don't get how more people don't see that this is a serious issue.

 

I have a running theory about the players who constantly insist that this is ok, these are the players who are benefiting from the rigged games.  How is it possible for the same basic group of players to be constantly stuck on the loosing team?  How is it even statistically possible for a player to loose win 1 out of 9 games?  How is it statistically possible for the "random" MM to just happen to place the highest rated players on the same team in 8 out of 9 games?

 

This right here is whats killing the game, and why WG is having trouble retaining players both new and old.  Why would someone want to continue playing this game where they are constantly put in the loosing group of the rigged MM game?  Loosing 8 out of 9 is nothing, I went 1 for 28 last week and had the pleasure of watching my rating drop over 400 points.

 

I challenge you folks who think that MM is fine, to convince me that it is.



AverageWannabe #2 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:40

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how do you want us to convince you if at the same time you say you dont care if we think the new MM is fine?

 

That lack of logic is the very reason you're having a hard time playing the game.


Edited by AverageWannabe, May 22 2019 - 23:41.


Projectile_Misfired #3 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:50

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OP, I challenge you to convince me that it would be worth my time and effort to try to change your opinion.

Fbomb #4 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:54

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If your team is bad enough, it doesn't matter if you're the reincarnation of Otto Carius (AWEsome autobiography, btw, highly recommend it) I disabled stats, because seeing peeps with a 2k PR driving tier 10 heavies is maddening, but my first five battles last night, that's all the teams were. Ya see stuff like a IS7 going beach, and ya HAVE to look them up after the battle

Insanefriend #5 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:55

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Some tanks can handle +2 mm just fine, the Udes 03 is one of those.  If you are struggling I suggest you brush up on the game mechanics as the Udes 03 is very dependent on knowing the ins and outs of vision.

moogleslam #6 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:57

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I'm not seeing the same thing at all.  MM is excellent now, the best it has ever been, and I am top/middle/bottom the correct amount of time.

SlappedbyRommel #7 Posted May 22 2019 - 23:59

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MM for me has been great I like playing more than ever one thing 3 5 7 taught me was how to survive long enough to do damage at bottom tier.

DetectiveHoots #8 Posted May 23 2019 - 00:24

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To the OP:

 

In my opinion, the MM is much much much better. I have not noticed the same uphill climb that you described in your post since the last change to the MM. I personally have been in games, where like you mentioned, the game is a statistical loss, but ends up a victory. The reason that skill based MM, that I assume you are eluding to in your post, won't work is that it would make games stagnant, it's nice to have runaway victories but it's also good to be challenged and to even lose so that victories actually feel like victories. I have been there, you log into the game on your day off, or in your free time after work when you want to relax and you hit a losing streak that is frustrating to all hell. I get that. You will also have times where you win 8/10 of those battles you played.

 

Another point to bring up is, by the looks of it you only have 1100 or so games. I don't know if this is an alternate account to post on the forums or if this is your main, but I have read that it can take upwards of 10k battles to really start hitting your stride in this game. Maybe you could use more practice? 

 

My statistics would show that your theory of only the people who benefit form the "broken MM", think that the MM is not broken, is wrong. I am definitely not at unicum stat levels and I think the MM is doing much better than it was previously.

 

I am willing to admit to myself that I suck, so I can improve. Are you willing to do the same? Now that's a challenge.


Edited by DetectiveHoots, May 23 2019 - 00:30.


VooDooKobra #9 Posted May 23 2019 - 01:35

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View PostTankedUrMom69, on May 22 2019 - 15:37, said:

I would like to thank WG for once again providing a suitable MM system that has been anything but fun.  Tonight I played 9 games in my UDES 03, and out of those 9 games I was bottom tier +/- 2 in 7 of those games.  Quite frankly, and I don't care how many of you think the current system is fine as it is, MM is broken and it is much worse than it was before the last fix.  I have been tracking my games since the change and I have been bottom tier 77% of the time (both +/- 1 and +/-2).  That means that I have literally been equal or highest tier 23% of the time.  Wasn't that last change to MM supposed to make that better, not worse?

 

There have been a lot of threads lately about fixing the stacked groups.  It is the single easiest thing to fix, hell you can do it with a simple if/or/then check.  There is no reason why one team should end up with 11 players that have 6500+ ratings while the other team has zero.  How has this not been addressed?  Tonight I was in a game where the other team had 2 players 8500+, 1 player 9500+, and the rest 6000+ while my team had 1 player over 6000, the rest were 1500-3900.  I just don't get how more people don't see that this is a serious issue.

 

I have a running theory about the players who constantly insist that this is ok, these are the players who are benefiting from the rigged games.  How is it possible for the same basic group of players to be constantly stuck on the loosing team?  How is it even statistically possible for a player to loose win 1 out of 9 games?  How is it statistically possible for the "random" MM to just happen to place the highest rated players on the same team in 8 out of 9 games?

 

This right here is whats killing the game, and why WG is having trouble retaining players both new and old.  Why would someone want to continue playing this game where they are constantly put in the loosing group of the rigged MM game?  Loosing 8 out of 9 is nothing, I went 1 for 28 last week and had the pleasure of watching my rating drop over 400 points.

 

I challenge you folks who think that MM is fine, to convince me that it is.

 

been seeing more even games than ever before, been seeing more +/-1 than ever before and somehow to you that is worse?  as for it being rigged how am i benefitting from rigged games?  why is WG picking on you and not other people? 

Fbomb #10 Posted May 23 2019 - 01:59

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I've been asking was Prok taken out of rotation (is by far my best/favorite map)...I took a 6 month break, haven't seen it in 100+ battles since I've been back, I assumed WG had put it on the shelf. Last battle, guy said he had that map an hour ago. I'm FAR more interested in that aspect of MM then what tier I'm put in. 

moogleslam #11 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:14

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View PostFbomb, on May 22 2019 - 20:59, said:

I've been asking was Prok taken out of rotation (is by far my best/favorite map)...I took a 6 month break, haven't seen it in 100+ battles since I've been back, I assumed WG had put it on the shelf. Last battle, guy said he had that map an hour ago. I'm FAR more interested in that aspect of MM then what tier I'm put in. 

 

I've seen it multiple times, even just today.  Make sure you're logging out, as it seems you need a new session to see a different group of maps.

AnArmyofBun #12 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:21

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I'd love to play a UDES in a +1/2 mm.  Free exp.



Markd73 #13 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:21

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Sounds like the OP is preemptively dismissing anyone who doesn't agree with them.

 

Sounds less than ideal IMHO.

 



ReddNekk #14 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:33

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View Postmoogleslam, on May 22 2019 - 15:57, said:

I'm not seeing the same thing at all.  MM is excellent now, the best it has ever been, and I am top/middle/bottom the correct amount of time.

 

While driving my tier 6 vehicles. I'm bottom tiered against tier 8s that I have no chance against a average of 50% of the time. If this is the "best it has ever been" then I'm glad I missed the MM as it was before now. And if the present MM is considered to be great then I hope I never see a MM that's considered horrible.

golruul #15 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:33

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From my off-the-napkin math, losing 8 games in a row has a 0.39% chance of happening.  Considering many people's careers here are in the tens of thousands of games, I'd say there's a very, very good chance of losing 8 in a row sometime in their career.

 

As for being bottom tier, picking the UDES as the poster child of the horrors of bottom tier is... a poor choice.  If you were going to pick something when complaining about bottom tier, pick the AMX 65t or something like that.



madogthefirst #16 Posted May 23 2019 - 02:38

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View PostTankedUrMom69, on May 22 2019 - 14:37, said:

Spoiler

 

Stop playing TDs if you can't stand being bottom tier, they get weighed harder than say mediums. It has pretty mush always been this way.



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Logical fallacies flying on this thread like bats in Mammoth Cave :sceptic:

HeraldricKnight #18 Posted May 23 2019 - 03:44

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Another case of 'I didn't have enough players of 'X' PR to carry me to relevance'. Why would you be intimidated by MM in a Tank Destroyer? The class has both distance and the armament to make Tier IX armor moot. 

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View Postmoogleslam, on May 22 2019 - 20:14, said:

 

I've seen it multiple times, even just today.  Make sure you're logging out, as it seems you need a new session to see a different group of maps.

Interesting, never heard that. Will see how that works out






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