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The_Chieftain #1 Posted Sep 22 2011 - 02:14

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It’s a new Army.

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Sitting on the airplane to Atlanta, the gentleman in the seat next to mine was a 1st Armored Division veteran, who lived in the Atlanta region. As I was travelling in ACUs, my destination was pretty easy for him to divine.
“Heading to Benning?”
“I am, indeed”
“Ranger School?”
My response was shocked and immediate.
“Dear God, no! Maneuver Conference”
Now, the merits of sending armor officers to Ranger School is a matter of discussion for another time, and I'll admit to being a bit of a heretic on the subject. But the gist is clear. I, like some others, consider Benning to be enemy territory. In fairness, the base seems quite nice, and they are taking great effort to make Armor feel at home, but the common perception is that Benning is infantry turf, and it will take some time before dinosaurs like myself stop seeing Knox as ‘home.’ I’ve been to Knox several times, this was my first visit to the Home of Infantry. I wonder if our infantry counterparts view us tankers as interlopers?
Actually, it took two days before I got onto Benning itself. The Maneuver Conference was held in next-door Columbus, Georgia. Just as Armor and Infantry branches have combined forces in the Maneuver Center of Excellence (who comes up with these names anyway?) the old Armor Conference and Infantry Conference have similarly combined.

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The general format hasn’t changed much. One still has the briefings and discussions, the opportunity to hobnob, and the vendor stands outside showing their wares. The two themes of the conference were “The Squad as a Strategic Formation” and “21st Century Training”. The former basically means that they’ll be doing greater emphasis on the old-fashioned rifle squad as, rightfully, the most important part of the Army, especially in the current low-intensity environment. 21st Century Training more was a discussion on how to leverage technology and the new troopers’ ease with it. A particularly interesting proposal being supported at high level is to issue every soldier with an avatar for the simulations. It looks like him, and acts like him, so if your PT test score is low, your speed is low, or if you can’t hit the broad side of a barn on the rifle range, you won’t shoot accurately in the sims.
However, that’s all generally boring stuff for you guys. If you have particular interest in the meat of the conference, the Ft Benning Website has video streams of the various briefings, you can spend many happy hours watching them if you so desire. What you guys are more interested in though, are the toys!

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Yes, many vendors were outside, hawking their wares.
Rifle stands were always popular. S&W were demonstrating their new mods to the M4 series, much cleaner operation they claim.

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The H&K and Colt stands were equally well visited.
People should be well familiar with thermal imager systems. Standard observation system on armoured vehicles, and often found mounted on machineguns, sometimes even small arms. This one was sensitive enough that it would pick up footprints on the carpet, the friction of boot sole on carpet left a heat print visible for about five seconds.

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And it’s the size of a PVS-14

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If you think that’s impressive, keep an eye out for the Digitally Fused Sensor System. I’m looking around the office for something sufficiently small to give a size comparison, the closest I have is a 1:72 model of an Ariete, and even that is too big. DFSS combines both visual and thermal into one image. Probably will be stupidly expensive and on issue only to Special Forces, but still quite a technological feat.
You’ll probably have seen this on the TV by now. Virtual reality squad training.

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The system keeps track of the direction you’re facing, and your posture, so if you lie down or take a knee, the same happens in the sim, as does turning your head. However, it’s all very quiet and civilized, other than the troops shouting orders at each other, no chaos. (A demonstration in the next room for a different sim tracked all motion: You had to run around, but were limited by the size of your room) When incoming fire comes at you, there’s no incentive for you not to take your time and calmly breathe. They’ve come up with an answer to that one.

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This little device is worn over the top of the trousers, the thin side fitting between the trousers and your shirt or skin. To simulate the distraction caused by someone shooting at you and to prevent you from aiming correctly, the thing gives you electric shocks. Foolishly, I volunteered to try it out. The result was a yelp, I jumped a foot into the air, and all the other guys watching burst out laughing. True, it achieved the desired endstate of taking me off target, but at no time when I’ve been shot at in the past was part of my reaction to contact drill to leap up to one side whilst crying “aaugh!” I think the idea needs a bit of tweaking. Or at least, the voltage.
For those of you who complain about laser-guided artillery pinpointing your tank being unrealistic, you’re absolutely right. Copperhead is outdated technology. Meet Excalibur.

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Been in service a while, as has the APMI mortar counterpart, but here’s the photo anyway. Other items on display included a throwable radio-controlled camera robot (Quite literally, you chuck it as far as you can, then it rolls around on the ground), cutaway of main gun ammo, including M829A3 which has a seriously long penetrator, all sorts of flashlights, knives, clothing, eyewear and insurance. Of interest, I hit every booth selling boots, and there was every sort of infantry boot imaginable. Which didn’t help me very much as I was looking for tanker boots, mine are getting a little worn. It’s surprisingly hard to find a good tanker boot ever since the Army went to desert tan
Meanwhile, outdoors, in the sun…

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BAE had a good presence, with a variety of  Bradley variants. Medical, mortar, command… Unfortunately, and this was common to a lot of vehicles, photos were forbidden of the interiors (and in some cases, of the vehicle at all). I think they might be trying to put a little too much on the Brad’s turret, though, I’m not sure what the motors think of all the extra weight.
This Stryker is wearing a new external modular camo system.

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It’s a hollow foam thing velcroed onto the vehicle, so it’s pretty light, and it also insulates the thermal signature, allowing ambient air in its place. The rough coating aids in visual and radar camouflage, and the modules come in varying colours: Going winter to summer takes only an hour or two. Probably a better way of doing it than the old MERDC where soldiers would have to repaint half a tank because the leaves were falling off the tree. A new version of this system has ‘angled’ surfaces, to defeat lasers. I am also pleased to report that the new M-ATV have fixed some of the “what were the designers thinking?” issues that users of the early production vehicles will be familiar with.
The last day of the conference was an open house at Fort Benning. I swung by OSUT to see how Basic Training has changed since I went through at the turn of the millennium. Of course, no Agony or Misery here at Benning. I wonder what the local equivalent is?

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This is the Benning version of Disneyland. (Knox graduates will know what I’m on about). Standing on a running track, PT and IMT pits in the middle, and barracks/classroom buildings on each side. Each building can hold up to 200 or so troopers. Inside the barracks are clean and spacious.

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Of note, the ceiling tiles need a specific tool to be removed: Being designed specifically for basic training, a special effort was made to make it much more difficult to hide things or evade the Drill Sergeant’s watchful eye. These troopers are in week 2, they’re doing basic rifle marksmanship.
I also had the pleasure of watching a ‘pickup.’ These troopers have been off the bus from reception for about three minutes.

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They have already received their first block of instruction: To answer every question “Drill Sergeant [your response] Drill Sergeant”. They are now receiving their second block of instruction, the correct way to perform a push-up. I have a feeling this will be a course of instruction they will reference frequently over the coming few months. This trooper is off to a bad start.

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Anyway, I close with a video. Sadly, I brought the wrong camera, it only has a 30-second limit. Still, this might be enough to bring back a few memories…



weveran #2 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 03:36

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Oh the memories ....

Except I'm in Australia but it's all so familiar :)

Drakenred #3 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 05:47

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I remember when they first came out with the old Laser training system. the system was suposed to lock out the weapon on a "kill" and all the comentary about how great it was and how realistic because you got to actualy "live fire" the weapons.

the first year the refs had to go around dealing with all the people who were suposedly killed but were not in the los for the "hit" and were spray and praying over baracades, or who figured out how to reset the system so they could hop back in.

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2011 - 02:14, said:

This is the Benning version of Disneyland. (Knox graduates will know what I’m on about). Standing on a running track, PT and IMT pits in the middle, and barracks/classroom buildings on each side. Each building can hold up to 200 or so troopers. Inside the barracks are clean and spacious.

meh, disneyland. us non-kilo/delta's got stuck in the ancient barracks up near the reception battalion. ah... good memories. :ph34r:

View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2011 - 02:14, said:

Of course, no Agony or Misery here at Benning.

and now the bad memories are back  :(

Duty_Remains #5 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 06:56

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That video brings back memories... not even sure if they're good or bad, so I'll just leave it at memories.

If I could go back 12 years... scary, but I wouldn't change a thing.  It was a good pain, I was just too young and stupid to know that.

Noble #6 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 07:31

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They seem quite frighten when they're running off the buses.

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HUAA!

Remember the "Sand Hill-ton quite well.
We had to throw all of our duffles on to a big pile in the middle of the Company formation area when we first arrived from the reception station.
The Drill Torturers would yell out a name and that person was supposed to yell "here Drill Sergent" and run to their bags.
Of course there was mass confusion and almost all got smoked. For some divine reason both my duffle bags rolled off the pile practically at my feet.
The Drills got me later for sure.

sainteye #8 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 11:10

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awww good old memories as an 11B ... well at least they got it easier , only a duffel bag and a barrack bag/laundry bag. I remember I had to carry 2 duffel and a laundry bag all full. I do remember those good old days.  Wonder sand-hill ever changed. I want to see the stress card .......still have yet to see one of those.

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Things definately look different. Unless it was just where you were at the time. However I remember my bay had another 2 sets of racks in the middle compared to the one in your picture. I also remember the only time a DS showed the proper front leaning rest position was up in reception right before the initial PT test. After the Drill Sergeant... Drill Sergeant shpiel the second thing we ever did was dump all our bags and learn how to properly pack them before going into our bay and unpacking them to learn how to store them.

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Knox class of Dec '84 to April '85  ...memories indeed. I'm sure some of my puke is still on Misery.

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Fort Knox is surely missed.....

Should have came by my booth during the conference, I would have given you a 120mm round to take home with you.....

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Flashback......NOOOOO. Some good pics, The stryker camo is retarded though, like trying to hide an elephant in a McDonalds. The excalibur rounds are amazing, have seen them work and they CAN hit the ball hair off a gnat.

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Ohhhh This put a big smile on my face. This reminded me of the fun times in Basic at Ft. Sill.
The video put a big smile on my face. :D

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Not just stong...army strong.

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View Postthundermg1, on Sep 23 2011 - 20:52, said:

Should have came by my booth during the conference, I would have given you a 120mm round to take home with you.....

If yours was the one with all the cut-away ammo, I did. And you still didn't give me a round.
No matter, it is not too late to make amends. Fed-Ex does deliver to the office here...

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meh, disneyland. us non-kilo/delta's got stuck in the ancient barracks up near the reception battalion

There's hope for you yet. I am a product of A/2-46 IN, in the ancient barracks up near the reception battalion, but still made it into tanks. Did the APFT in the really, really ancient barracks area where Stripes was filmed "Fort Arnold". Sadly, the vast majority of those have since been torn down, and only a few are left up for urban warfare exercises.

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I think I hated Agony the most as this was our first major march out to a field problem, I had a blister the size of half dollar on my inner right heal.  I spent a couple of weeks at Benning before deploying to Desert Storm in January 91, definitely different than Knox and yes it won't feel the same.  Still have a 120mm aft cap from a training round right next to me right now :)

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A 1-46 for 'basic'.
I was in the second to last ABOLC class at Ft. Knox. I might be going to Benning for RSLC soon though.....

The best part of Misery and Agony? Going down one, getting to the top of the other...and then turning around and doing it backwards.

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Wow....that vid brings back some fond memories of Sill. Funny some of the stuff these new recruits will never know. Glad that I learned to spit shine my boots...even though many, many hours were spent on them. Looks like they spend more time inside learning stuff then getting out in the real environments. Glad I never knew, used, or seen a puke use a stress card. Funny seeing buses to haul em in, we were stacked nuts to butts on cattle cars,,, everyone more or less fell out when the door opened. Stashing tobacco and fu#k books in the ceiling of the bay.....then seeing DS Clark fall through the tiles of said ceiling while he was trying to retrieve said contraband during a "health and welfare inspection". Seeing CSM (old school vietnam) taste the water from the toilet using the DS's coffee mug to see if the toilet was "clean" to his satisfaction during inspection! The dragon strip bar in Lawton where the mamasans tried to get you to buy them a wine glass half full of wine cooler for $5. The cabbies on base that would take you anywhere you wanted to go on your first leave pass....They open their trunk and they got smokes, dip, beer, liquor. They advise they can take you to a strip club, massage parlor, to get a tattoo (illegal in Oklahoma), or they show you a photo album full of chicks pics that they can take you to for a "good time".....ahhhhh the memories!!

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View PostPaladin1, on Sep 25 2011 - 06:46, said:

we were stacked nuts to butts on cattle cars
YES!

I went to Ft. Benning for basic (Bravo 2/54)...ahh sweet memories. I didn't realize how much I missed the 'gig pit' and the ole' barracks.

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OK, this stress card thing is getting out of hand.

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