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rogombor #21 Posted May 24 2019 - 02:56

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View PostMakersMike, on May 23 2019 - 22:53, said:

 

Not true.  If you've played for a while you can make those credits without premium time or vehicle.  They've given out enough premium time in game as rewards etc.  For a free to play player, if they're short the credits it would be worth it to sell some tanks they don't use much right now to buy this.  It will eventually pay for itself and any tanks you sell.  Can't pass up this deal.  

This is true as well. I'm passing this deal but if something juicy (to me) shows up you bet I'll be buying.

 

View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 22:53, said:

 

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Wait, wha?

There was a bug a while ago that allowed you to sell rentals for the credit value of the premium tank. WG let the people keep the credits.



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View PostMakersMike, on May 24 2019 - 02:53, said:

 

Not true.  If you've played for a while you can make those credits without premium time or vehicle.  They've given out enough premium time in game as rewards etc.  For a free to play player, if they're short the credits it would be worth it to sell some tanks they don't use much right now to buy this.  It will eventually pay for itself and any tanks you sell.  Can't pass up this deal. 

 

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With respect... no.

I've played for a long time.  A very long time.  And I'm on the 'decent' end of the spectrum of players.  I can break even playing Std Account at high tiers.  Yes, I can be positive in the mid tiers, and use the free Prem days as a cushion... but the average player isn't going to be able to do this.  And selling Tens to buy a tank?  If you do the math for the time invested... nope.

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It's a fine deal - any deal is fine - if you are willing and able to pay the vig.  Seriously - Love the 1979 Pinto: get yourself one.  Pay extra to have a 'numbered' Pinto if that is your thing.

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But to say 'you can't pass this up?'   Nope.  You can pass up anything that isn't a truly good deal.

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If this 'gambling' with scarcity makes it fun for you: have fun.  But don't think these 'deals' are all that great on their face and for every purchaser.



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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 20:07, said:

... Also 'a fool and his money' and all that.

I get it.  It's your money.  If you want it, buy it. (and thanks for keeping the server paid for!) 

Just don't buy into the notion that anything WG is selling is a one time or limited offer.  Whatever they are selling... They will sell it to you again later.  Nothing is exclusive. 

If you are talking about the Black market, most tanks are for credits,  So if you play the game more then 2 hours a week, its basically free.



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View Postrogombor, on May 23 2019 - 17:56, said:

This is true as well. I'm passing this deal but if something juicy (to me) shows up you bet I'll be buying.

 

There was a bug a while ago that allowed you to sell rentals for the credit value of the premium tank. WG let the people keep the credits.

 

Damn, I missed that one!

MakersMike #25 Posted May 24 2019 - 03:02

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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 17:59, said:

 

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With respect... no.

I've played for a long time.  A very long time.  And I'm on the 'decent' end of the spectrum of players.  I can break even playing Std Account at high tiers.  Yes, I can be positive in the mid tiers, and use the free Prem days as a cushion... but the average player isn't going to be able to do this.  And selling Tens to buy a tank?  If you do the math for the time invested... nope.

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It's a fine deal - any deal is fine - if you are willing and able to pay the vig.  Seriously - Love the 1979 Pinto: get yourself one.  Pay extra to have a 'numbered' Pinto if that is your thing.

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But to say 'you can't pass this up?'   Nope.  You can pass up anything that isn't a truly good deal.

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If this 'gambling' with scarcity makes it fun for you: have fun.  But don't think these 'deals' are all that great on their face and for every purchaser.

 

I have 3,000 + battles.  I made over 5 mil credits in this months Frontline alone.  One of the days was with a free day of premium I won from blueprints and made most of it that day.

Edited by MakersMike, May 24 2019 - 03:03.


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View Postspud_tuber, on May 24 2019 - 02:56, said:

Well, I'm sitting on 44 mil, mostly from Frontlines and award premium time.

 

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Daaaamn, son.  Respekt.

 

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View PostMakersMike, on May 24 2019 - 03:02, said:

 

I have 3,000 + battles.  I made over 5 mil credits in this months Frontline alone.  One of the days was with a free day of premium I won from blueprints and made most of it that day.

 

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Cool.  Do your thing.

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I'm just reminding folks that the 'limited' offer really isn't all that limited.  If you are making an informed choice - I totally respect that.



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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 18:07, said:

 

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Cool.  Do your thing.

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I'm just reminding folks that the 'limited' offer really isn't all that limited.  If you are making an informed choice - I totally respect that.

 

Thanks.  And you are correct, they'll always put these things back on sale.  For sure, having premium time makes it easier and it is a struggle for some to make the credits without it.  I've tried to be resourceful and was lucky enough to have the time when I got those reward premium days to play a lot.  Not everyone is, so I understand your point.   

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View PostMakersMike, on May 24 2019 - 03:10, said:

 

Thanks.  And you are correct, they'll always put these things back on sale.  For sure, having premium time makes it easier and it is a struggle for some to make the credits without it.  I've tried to be resourceful and was lucky enough to have the time when I got those reward premium days to play a lot.  Not everyone is, so I understand your point. 

 

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Yep.  and FYI, I ran the numbers:


 

WG is selling 2million credits in the Main Shop for $21.49.  So your 6 million credit tank is about $65

(See: https://na.wargaming...p/wot/main/240/ and https://na.wargaming.../wot/main/1325/  )

  • 2k gold = $10.34
  • 2k gold + 2 mil credits = $31.79
    • Thus, 2 mil credits = $21.45 and 6 mil = $64.35

 

This has nothing to do with the time a given player has spent earning the 6 mil credits - but gives a dollar value from their perspective.



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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 20:07, said:

 

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Cool.  Do your thing.

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I'm just reminding folks that the 'limited' offer really isn't all that limited.  If you are making an informed choice - I totally respect that.

Yeah.  I'll agree to that.  Buy because you want and can afford it, not because it is "rare". 

 

For me personally,  I didn't have a T8 prem LT for FL, and wanted one.  Additionally, Germany was the only LT line I didn't already have a higher tier LT in.   So, with the M41 offered for credits, which I can get back next FL, especially with it, this was a no brainer for me, regardless if they were selling 1000 or unlimited. 

 

Also, full disclosure,  I mostly used premiums in FL.  The caern AX, progretto, and su-130  that I got to 80-90% and then bought,  the T-44-100 and TS-5 that were "free", and the cent 5/1 I picked up with loot box gold last advent calendar. 



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I think the limited inventory is going to end up only being for the tanks they sell for credits.  Why would they want to limit the inventory on some rare tank they are selling for tons of gold?  Putting a limit on that tank would effectively limit the amount of gold they sell that night.  If the point is to get people to blow cash on gold so they can then go into the game to buy the super rare tank they should be trying to sell as much as they can within the 12 hour window.

 

We'll find out when they put something up for gold whether the inventory limit is for every item or just certain items.



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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 20:25, said:

 

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Yep.  and FYI, I ran the numbers:


 

WG is selling 2million credits in the Main Shop for $21.49.  So your 6 million credit tank is about $65

(See: https://na.wargaming...p/wot/main/240/ and https://na.wargaming.../wot/main/1325/  )

  • 2k gold = $10.34
  • 2k gold + 2 mil credits = $31.79
    • Thus, 2 mil credits = $21.45 and 6 mil = $64.35

 

This has nothing to do with the time a given player has spent earning the 6 mil credits - but gives a dollar value from their perspective.

Yeah.  Course, everyone should know that WG significantly overvalues credits.  That's what made it possible to come out effectively behind with lootboxes, after all.



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View PostBlackFive, on May 24 2019 - 02:07, said:

... Also 'a fool and his money' and all that.

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I get it.  It's your money.  If you want it, buy it. (and thanks for keeping the server paid for!)

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Just don't buy into the notion that anything WG is selling is a one time or limited offer.  Whatever they are selling... They will sell it to you again later.  Nothing is exclusive.

 

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EDIT:  As an addendum... WG is selling 2million credits in the Main Shop for $21.49.  So your 6 million credit tank is about $65. 

(See: https://na.wargaming.net/shop/wot/main/240/ and https://na.wargaming.net/shop/wot/main/1325/  )

  • 2k gold = $10.34
  • 2k gold + 2 mil credits = $31.79
    • Thus, 2 mil credits = $21.45 and 6 mil = $64.35

 

Edit #2: If you are informed and having fun buying 'rare' or 'limited time offer' tanks; I respect that.  My only point is to remind folks caught up in the 'new' that WG manipulates the scarcity of these items... and whatever they sell now - for whatever cost... will be sold again at some point.

 

How has this guy not been banned from the forums for posting such heresy?

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View PostSimplyPzB2, on May 24 2019 - 03:32, said:

 

How has this guy not been banned from the forums for posting such heresy?

 

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You made my day.  LOL!  +1



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There's also the missions - the scavenger hunt plus D Day combo is kind of silly. - items and boosters are flooding in.  Add in about 5 mil from holiday money and 5 mil in useless boosters and stuff... 

 

 



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View PostBlackFive, on May 23 2019 - 23:07, said:

 

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Cool.  Do your thing.

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I'm just reminding folks that the 'limited' offer really isn't all that limited.  If you are making an informed choice - I totally respect that.

 

It is limited, because it's a tank that normally costs real money. Credits are free, and these tanks make tons of them. These are tanks that you can't even buy with gold because they're not in the tech tree, so no amount of victories in tournaments can get you one for free. It's an unique opportunity, no matter how you slice it.

But it's important to buy if you wanted the tank, not just because this deal is there.



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View PostByracki, on May 23 2019 - 20:33, said:

We'll see

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If it wasn't legit, there would be no point in a timer lol

You've been around since 2013, which means you've seen multiple examples of tanks they would "never sell" or would "never sell again" that have gone on sale.

 

That timer is only for this sale, no one should be dumb enough to imagine that it won't happen again in the future.



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View Postrogombor, on May 24 2019 - 02:56, said:

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I believe WG knows or thinks we know this is all about fun and gimmicks. You all do know right ? They are not trying to put one over on us but trying to have some fun themselves and do a bit of marketing.

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View PostAtragon, on May 24 2019 - 06:03, said:

I believe WG knows or thinks we know this is all about fun and gimmicks. You all do know right ? They are not trying to put one over on us but trying to have some fun themselves and do a bit of marketing.

 

^^^THIS^^^

 

I had near 42 million credits sitting in the bank. The Black Bulldog comes up. I'd like to have one, and so i bought it.

 

To the OP:

 

I understand what your trying to do, and it's a noble gesture.

but to be honest, it really isn't any of your business to tell anyone how to spend their money, especially in-game currency.

It's just a game, after all.






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