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Klaatu_Nicto #1 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 22:12

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 14 2019 - 15:26, said:

NASA - Solar Activity Forecast For Next Decade Favorable For Exploration
June 12, 2019
The forecast for the next solar cycle says it will be the weakest of the last 200 years. The maximum of this next cycle – measured in terms of sunspot number, a standard measure of solar activity level – could be 30 to 50% lower than the most recent one. The results show that the next cycle will start in 2020.
 
 
Reinforcing the double dynamo model with solar-terrestrial activity in the past three millennia
May 2017
We predict the upcoming Modern grand minimum in 2020-2055
 
July 14, 2018 - Italian forecasters think solar minimum is causing global cooling
The climate could be at a really crucial crossroads over the next few years. Big changes seem to be waiting for us, and we could all be witnesses to something very unusual.
https://www.ilmeteo....e-gelo-tendenza
 
The most recent solar maximum
 

 

 

 


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Klaatu_Nicto #2 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 22:15

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Objective, undeniable, verifiable evidence the main stream media is lying to you about climate change. 

 



RHeadshot #3 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 22:19

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Yeah, that's even close to being the most significant history from June 6.

Klaatu_Nicto #4 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 22:25

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View PostRHeadshot, on Jun 06 2019 - 13:19, said:

Yeah, that's even close to being the most significant history from June 6.

 

It's significant in this era of fake climate change news

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Klaatu_Nicto #6 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 22:31

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The U.S. is the the worlds largest producer and exporter of corn. This year the U.S. will not be able to meet domestic consumption.

 

Get ready for increased food prices and possible shortages.

 

 

 


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Yep, that's going to be a problem.

Klaatu_Nicto #8 Posted Jun 06 2019 - 23:12

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The extreme weather this year is not just a recent occurrence and it's not just in the U.S.

 

May 2019 - 300 yaks trapped by snow starve to death
This year’s toll is the highest on record.
https://www.bbc.com/...-india-48242765


May 2019 - Italy – Snow and cold could cause 50 percent agricultural losses
http://www.meteoweb....uzione/1258471/


April 2019 - Huge Delays for Pacific Northwest Planting Season — “We’ve had the Longest Winter Ever”
https://electroverse...st-winter-ever/


April 2019 - Torrential Rains and Monster Hail Destroy 55,000 Acres of Crops across Telangana, India
https://electroverse...elangana-india/


October 3, 2018 - Cold weather and early snow making for a bad harvest
https://www.660cityn...-a-bad-harvest/


October 3, 2018 - 95% apple trees, crops ruined in Lahaul snow
https://www.tribunei...now/662437.html


October 1, 2018 - Spain: Stone fruit production expected to fall due to impact of hail storms
http://agroinsurance...of-hail-storms/


September 16, 2018 - Frost damage dashes farmers' hopes of record harvest, as Perth shivers through chilly night
A record-breaking cold spell in Western Australia's agricultural heartland has shattered farmers' hopes of enjoying a bumper crop harvest.
http://www.abc.net.a...-south/10253186


September 13, 2018 - Snow Plagues Canadian Farmers In The Heat Of Harvest
https://www.agweb.co...eat-of-harvest/


September 2018 - Western Australia: Crops Punished by Two Devastating Frosts in a Matter of Days
https://electroverse...matter-of-days/


August 27, 2018 - Food prices 'to rise 5%' because of extreme weather
https://www.bbc.co.u...siness-45317023


March 1, 2018 'This is a crisis': Brutal winter has cattle struggling to survive.
Montana's memorable winter is making life miserable for ranchers whose cattle are struggling to survive in the deep snow, bitter temperatures and wind, particularly on the Blackfeet Reservation where significant losses are expected.
https://www.greatfal...tana/385388002/


2018 - DNR reports 98 percent white shrimp loss following January's cold snap
https://www.charlest...uarys-cold-snap


2018 - As marina thaws, a bounty of frozen shad appear
http://www.thehawkey...zen-shad-appear


2018 - Extreme cold results in severe agricultural damage across Europe, food prices rising
https://watchers.new...-prices-rising/


2018 - Extreme Cold May Have Damaged Winter Wheat
http://www.farmfutur...ed-winter-wheat


May 2017 - We Lost the Western Kansas Wheat Crop
http://www.agricultu...op-this-weekend


May 2017 - Beef Prices Soar After Late April Blizzard Clobbers Midwest
https://www.bloomber...lobbers-midwest


May 2017 - Wheat Futures Surge After Snow Slams U.S. Crop
https://www.agweb.co...s-us-crop-blmg/


Frozen corn in South Dakota in late June 2017
https://twitter.com/...678704976265218
https://twitter.com/...862168040157188


Cold Spring Temperatures Affect Volumes Of Organic Bananas From Mexico
http://www.freshplaz...nas-from-Mexico


Virginia Freeze Leaves Fruit Farmers Questioning Supply Come Harvest
http://www.freshplaz...ly-come-harvest


Michigan Freeze Devastates Oceana County Asparagus Crop
http://www.freshplaz...-asparagus-crop Over 80%


Loss In Blueberry & Peach Crops After Deep South Freeze
http://www.freshplaz...ep-South-freeze


The worst frost in decades knocks British winemakers off course
https://www.economis...tish-winemakers


Severe frosts a bitter blow to WA farmers hoping for record harvest
http://www.abc.net.a...t-in-wa/7878578


The Frozen Harvest — Images of Alberta’s Ice Storm
https://www.realagri...rtas-ice-storm/


Cold weather brings vegetable rationing to Europe
http://heatst.com/wo...inach-broccoli/


Frost Hits European Fruit And Vegetable Sector Hard
http://www.freshplaz...ble-sector-hard


Trapped in Twillingate: Iced-in crab fishermen need compensation, FFAW says
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ngate-1.4076069

 



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For every factoid, there is an alternate factoid. Will we get hot? Or will we get cold?

https://uproxx.com/life/is-mini-ice-age-coming-grand-solar-minimum-explained/

Climate change update 101 = we are all going to freeze. But then our grandkids will all drown. And then the annoyed polar bears will all come down south and eat us.

Back when I was in 9th grade (1960) they were telling us we were all going to freeze.

And now, here it is again. 

I am thinking people were better off before TV news... or the internet... or (pick one - something)



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75 years ago...on this date... my Uncle, John Bondurant, U.S. Army infantryman, along with the other 98 soldiers in his Company, as well as thousands of other allied troops... stormed the beaches at Normandy.

Uncle John's Company helped to take Omaha Beach. They suffered 97 casualties (killed & wounded) out of a 99 soldier Company.  Uncle John was wounded, and for his part on this day, received the Invasion Medal, Purple Heart, and a Bronze Star for Valor.

Bless all those who fought before, and those who are fighting now, for freedom and democracy.

 

 

American soldiers on Omaha Beach, June 7, 1944... 1 day after the assault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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UN report

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 06 2019 - 16:25, said:

View PostRHeadshot, on Jun 06 2019 - 13:19, said:

Yeah, that's even close to being the most significant history from June 6.

It's significant in this era of fake climate change news

Boy you really can't see the forest for the trees. It's amazing how hard you cling to your blind spots and ideology rather than letting the facts educate you. Climate change is not an ideological issue, climate change is not a political issue (unless idiots make it one), it's an issue of facts, reality and consequences.

 

Just because you fail to understand the science doesn't make it go away.



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Climate change is real.

 

People use anecdotal evidence to support claims that it isn't. "It was super cold this one time" is not sufficient evidence to claim that climate change is a hoax. Yes, there are abnormally cold, and abnormally warm periods in certain regions. The global trend is a rise in temperature. (This doesn't mean that it can't be cold, just that on average, it's warmer)

 

As well, it's heavily debated what is actually causing the warming trend. While CO2 has been determined to be a "greenhouse" gas, it's effect in the atmosphere may not be as strong as methane, another "greenhouse" gas. Methane, as many know, is a waste product from biological organisms. Many choose to go "vegan" because millions of methane producing cattle and various other animals raised for consumption contribute to global climate change.

 

The media is often wrong. They're not out for the truth; just the sensational headline that gets the most clicks or views. The media being wrong is not sufficient evidence to state that climate change is a hoax.

In the 60s and 70s there was a stirring about "global cooling," but this has since been debunked. Besides, we didn't have the same advanced tools and knowledge about the Earth then as we did today. Even back then, it was not accepted by the scientific community. But it was sensational, so there you go.

 

Weather is mainly caused by differences in atmospheric conditions. Wind speed and direction are determined by many factors, but the main ones include atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity, and density. (based on temperature and elevation) A "front", is where different atmospheric conditions meet, and is where stuff can happen, such as tornadoes and other serious weather events. The video partially explains why there were so many tornadoes that day but quickly turns into an ideological rant and as such, loses all credibility. Tornadoes and other weather events can be worsened when the difference in atmospheric conditions on the front is greater than normal. No surprise here, because climate change is leading to more extreme conditions.

 

In the end, you find that those who deny climate change even with all of the evidence laid out in front of them are in the same boat as flat earthers and other conspiracy theorists. They're religious. Religion rules by fear, not by facts.



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The folks who believe solar activity, not CO2, controls weather and climate and believe we may be entering a period of global cooling have good, solid evidence to support them and have been making accurate predictions.

 

From several years ago.

 

 

July 14, 2018 - Italian forecasters think solar minimum is causing global cooling
The climate could be at a really crucial crossroads over the next few years. Big changes seem to be waiting for us, and we could all be witnesses to something very unusual.
https://www.ilmeteo....e-gelo-tendenza

 

 

The folks who believe humans are causing global warming do not have good, solid evidence to support them and many of their predictions have failed.  All they have is a theory based on an alleged correlation plus computer models which can't even replicate climate and weather in the past. We also see a lot of fraud and deceptive tactics coming from this crowd. This is my favorite failed prediction.

 

March 20, 2000 - Snowfalls Are Now Just A Thing Of The Past
The warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren't going to know what snow is."
https://wattsupwitht...independent.pdf  

 

Good thing someone did some page saves because the Independent and others do not want you to see that page anymore.

https://www.independ...ast-724017.html

 

 

 

No snow and milder winters he said. :D

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 



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Vostock ice cores anyone?

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View PostPipinghot, on Jun 06 2019 - 19:26, said:

Boy you really can't see the forest for the trees. It's amazing how hard you cling to your blind spots and ideology rather than letting the facts educate you. Climate change is not an ideological issue, climate change is not a political issue (unless idiots make it one), it's an issue of facts, reality and consequences.

 

Just because you fail to understand the science doesn't make it go away.

 

He is talking about the fake narrative that somehow humans are heating up the planet and in twelve years we will reach a tipping point of no return unless we abandon all modern technology and go back to 18th century living. Everyone knows that climate change is real but instead of some sort of human induced heat death of the planet we are falling back into a cooling period were we will need all the technology we can muster to keep hundreds of millions or possibly even billions from starvation. Nearly all of the global heating can be attributed to the the earths current orbit around the sun(perigee and apogee changes over time) and the thirty year long maunder maximum we have been enjoying which has opened up vast tracts of land especially in canada to nearly year long crop production. This is going to go away because the sun is not only dropping down off its maximum its going directly into a minimum which means that the 20% extra output the sun has been putting out is going to drop down to 20% under its nominal output which is a 40% spread. Turn down your thermostat by 40% over what you normally keep it at in winter and see how comfy things get. So yes climate change is real but its not what the media and the fake scientists like bill nye the one degree in mechanical engineering guy are trying to sell you. I mean seriously the UN uses bill nye as its face for global warming and how its going to kill us all? Bill nye the guy with zero education in any of the subjects he is acting like he has intimate knowledge of? I mean c'mon man I know you are smarter than to believe in the entire warming hoax right?

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View PostLeopard9250, on Jun 06 2019 - 16:40, said:

Climate change is real.

 

People use anecdotal evidence to support claims that it isn't. "It was super cold this one time" is not sufficient evidence to claim that climate change is a hoax. Yes, there are abnormally cold, and abnormally warm periods in certain regions. The global trend is a rise in temperature. (This doesn't mean that it can't be cold, just that on average, it's warmer)

 

As well, it's heavily debated what is actually causing the warming trend. While CO2 has been determined to be a "greenhouse" gas, it's effect in the atmosphere may not be as strong as methane, another "greenhouse" gas. Methane, as many know, is a waste product from biological organisms. Many choose to go "vegan" because millions of methane producing cattle and various other animals raised for consumption contribute to global climate change.

 

The media is often wrong. They're not out for the truth; just the sensational headline that gets the most clicks or views. The media being wrong is not sufficient evidence to state that climate change is a hoax.

That there is no doubt humans are solely responsible for global warming is a hoax.

 

In the 60s and 70s there was a stirring about "global cooling," but this has since been debunked. No, it has not been debunked.   The earth had been in a period of global cooling from the 1940s thru the late 1970s. The data records clearly show this. In the 1970s solar activity increased to its second highest level in one hundred year and increased to even higher levels not seen for a thousand years. In the late 1990s/early 2000s solar activity began to decrease and the global warming pause began. Between 2005 and 2015 there was no global warming.

 

U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic
The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large‐scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages.

https://www.nytimes....viet-press.html

 

The Cooling World - Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve.
http://www.denisdutt...oolingworld.pdf

 

Greater-than-expected solar activity heated the outer layers of Earth's atmosphere and increased drag on Skylab. By late 1977, NORAD also forecast a reentry in mid-1979; a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientist criticized NASA for using an inaccurate model for the second most-intense sunspot cycle in a century, and for ignoring NOAA predictions published in 1976.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

 

Spoiler

 

 

Besides, we didn't have the same advanced tools and knowledge about the Earth then as we did today. Even back then, it was not accepted by the scientific community. But it was sensational, so there you go.

 

Weather is mainly caused by differences in atmospheric conditions. Wind speed and direction are determined by many factors, but the main ones include atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity, and density. (based on temperature and elevation) A "front", is where different atmospheric conditions meet, and is where stuff can happen, such as tornadoes and other serious weather events.

What has a great effect on atmospheric conditions and influences the winds? Solar activity.

 

The video partially explains why there were so many tornadoes that day but quickly turns into an ideological rant and as such, loses all credibility.

That is one of those deceptive tactics I mentioned in a previous note. His rant does not negate the credibility of the data he presented.

 

Tornadoes and other weather events can be worsened when the difference in atmospheric conditions on the front is greater than normal. No surprise here, because climate change is leading to more extreme conditions.

 

2018 is the first year since official records began in 1950 that no tornado in the US was rated violent class (EF4/EF5, or, previously, F4/F5).

https://www.washingt...m=.865fab8a8ada

 

In the end, you find that those who deny climate change even with all of the evidence laid out in front of them are in the same boat as flat earthers and other conspiracy theorists. They're religious. Religion rules by fear, not by facts.

That is one of those deceptive tactics I mentioned in a previous note

 

 

I'm not saying climate change is a hoax. In fact, what I have said numerous times is "the record of past climate shows the only thing constant about climate is it's always changing."

 

This summer whenever there is a hot spell somewhere in the U.S we will be hearing about excessive heat waves caused my human activity. Late last year I decided to visits NOAA's website and see for myself if summer temperatures in the U.S. are getting hotter and unprecedented.

 

Data from NOAA for contiguous U.S. average temperature during the two hottest months of the year, July/August, going back to 1895 in degrees F.

 

I chose to compare the last five year average to a five year average in the 1930s, the long term mean and the hottest July/August.
 

1934-1938----------74.62
2014-2018----------73.79
1895-2018 mean--73.01  
Hottest--1936------75.70

 

https://www.ncdc.noa...erType=binomial

 

 


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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 17:14, said:

 

He is talking about the fake narrative that somehow humans are heating up the planet and in twelve years we will reach a tipping point of no return unless we abandon all modern technology and go back to 18th century living. Everyone knows that climate change is real but instead of some sort of human induced heat death of the planet we are falling back into a cooling period were we will need all the technology we can muster to keep hundreds of millions or possibly even billions from starvation. Nearly all of the global heating can be attributed to the the earths current orbit around the sun(perigee and apogee changes over time) and the thirty year long maunder maximum we have been enjoying which has opened up vast tracts of land especially in canada to nearly year long crop production. This is going to go away because the sun is not only dropping down off its maximum its going directly into a minimum which means that the 20% extra output the sun has been putting out is going to drop down to 20% under its nominal output which is a 40% spread. Turn down your thermostat by 40% over what you normally keep it at in winter and see how comfy things get. So yes climate change is real but its not what the media and the fake scientists like bill nye the one degree in mechanical engineering guy are trying to sell you. I mean seriously the UN uses bill nye as its face for global warming and how its going to kill us all? Bill nye the guy with zero education in any of the subjects he is acting like he has intimate knowledge of? I mean c'mon man I know you are smarter than to believe in the entire warming hoax right?

 

Bill Nye the Science Guy meets a real scientist.

 

 

Before he became the Science Guy

 

 



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The massive heatwave of June 7, 1933. 

 

What happens to scientists who speak the truth.

 



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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

View PostPipinghot, on Jun 06 2019 - 19:26, said:

Boy you really can't see the forest for the trees. It's amazing how hard you cling to your blind spots and ideology rather than letting the facts educate you. Climate change is not an ideological issue, climate change is not a political issue (unless idiots make it one), it's an issue of facts, reality and consequences.

 

Just because you fail to understand the science doesn't make it go away.

He is talking about the fake narrative that somehow humans are heating up the planet

Not a fake narrative, but your argument that it's a fake narrative actually is the real fake narrative. Grats, you've just Incepted yourself

 

Facts are facts even when you don't like them or understand them.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

and in twelve years we will reach a tipping point of no return unless we abandon all modern technology and go back to 18th century living.

Also a fake narrative. No climate scientist has ever suggested that "abandon all modern technology and go back to 18th century living". There are plenty of people who present your false narrative as if it's happened, but it hasn't. The only people who talk about 'abandoning all modern technology' are people who are trying to make up fake arguments to move the goalposts and reframe the debate. All talk about abandoning modern technology is a fake argument, no one (except may a few lunatics and boneheads) actually thinks that's a real solution to the problem, you're repeating propaganda.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

Everyone knows that climate change is real but instead of some sort of human induced heat death of the planet we are falling back into a cooling period were we will need all the technology we can muster to keep hundreds of millions or possibly even billions from starvation.

That's half right, we do need to worry about "hundreds of millions or possibly even billions" people, but not from your fictional "cooling period". You clearly don't understand earth carbon cycle.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

Nearly all of the global heating can be attributed to the the earths current orbit around the sun(perigee and apogee changes over time)

That only matters over very long periods of time, periods of 100,000 years or more, not periods of 100 years. Long term changes (emphasis on long term) in the Earth's orbit do indeed contribute to changes in the earth's climate, but there has been no change in the orbit that would even begin to explain the amount of climate change earth has experienced in the last 100 years.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

and the thirty year long maunder maximum

Doesn't exist.

 

You're paying attention to sources that make up imaginary "alternative facts", over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend, your argument of a 30 year "maunder maximum" is made up. Global temperatures continue to increase in spite of the 35 year cooling trend of the sun. If the sun's energy is decreasing while the Earth is warming, then the sun can't be the main control of the temperature.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

This is going to go away because the sun is not only dropping down off its maximum its going directly into a minimum

Nope, more "alternative facts".

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

which means that the 20% extra output the sun has been putting out is going to drop down to 20% under its nominal output which is a 40% spread. Turn down your thermostat by 40% over what you normally keep it at in winter and see how comfy things get.

You're indulging in mathsturbation, on multiple levels.

 

1) Even if the sun's output was going to drop by 40% (which it's not, that was pure bunk, but let's indulge you) the earth reflects 29% of all incoming solar energy, absorbing about 23% in the atmosphere and 48% at the surface. So, all changes in solar energy reaching earth (both positive and negative) are moderated by the 29% that is reflected and not absorbed, there is not a 1-for-1 relationship between energy from the sun and energy absorbed by earth.

 

2) Earth's ability to radiate heat is proportional to the 4th power of the tempereature. This means that if the temperature doubles, the amount of heat radiated goes up by x16 (2 to the 4th power). Conversely, if the earth's temperature were cut in half the amount of heat radiated would be reduced by a factor of 16. This affect more powerful that most people imagine, and most people don't get it even after the math is explained to them. If the sun's energy output was reduced by your imaginary 40% it absolutely would not cause a 40% drop in earth's temperatures.

 

3) The sun is not the only factor driving earth's temperatures and climate, there are multiple factors that influence earth's ability to regulate temperatures in the short run and especially over a time frame of about 100 years (including albedo, aerosols & greenhouse gasses).

 

You're not even remotely close to understanding the relationship between incoming energy and earth's ability to regulate temperatures and climate.

View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 06 2019 - 20:14, said:

So yes climate change is real but its not what the media and the fake scientists like bill nye the one degree in mechanical engineering guy are trying to sell you. I mean seriously the UN uses bill nye as its face for global warming and how its going to kill us all? Bill nye the guy with zero education in any of the subjects he is acting like he has intimate knowledge of? I mean c'mon man I know you are smarter than to believe in the entire warming hoax right?

That's true, Bill Nye's education and credentials do matter, as do the education and credentials of the people trying to deny climate change, and especially the education and credentials of the actual climate change scientists providing the information on this topic.

 

So let's follow your own (very important) piece of logic and see where it goes. Of the people who are bona fide climate scientists, people who are actually qualified to examine, research and address this topic there is a 97% consensus on global warming. Furthermore, the greater their expertise in climate science the stronger that consensus is, which is to say that the 3% who don't agree with the consensus are grouped at the lower end of the scale for knowledge and expertise on the subject.

 

Climate change deniers, on the other hand, are lead by a a host of people who don't have the education, don't have the credentials, don't have the expertise, don't have the knowledge of how climate change science really works. Anytime that 97% of the experts in a field agree on anything it only makes sense to believe them. We're not talking about philosophy here, which is anyone's game, we're not talking about religion which is based entirely on what people want to believe, we're not talking about a topic that can be proven or disproven by personal opinions, it's a subject based on empirical knowledge and expertise, and that means you should believe the 97% of them who agree on climate change. If you talked to 100 doctors and 97 of them agreed on your diagnosis, you'd believe them. If you talked to 100 stockbrokers and 97% of them agreed on your stock portfolio, you'd believe them. If you talked to 100 auto mechanics and 97 of them agreed on what work your car needs, you'd believe them. if you talked to 100 experts in any subject that involves empirical knowledge and 97 of them agreed, you'd believe them.

 

So don't believe Bill Nye, that's ok, but do believe the people he's getting his information from, becuase those are the people who actually know what they're talking about. Also don't believe the ignorant people who have no knowledge or expertise of climate science but who somehow feel free to deny despite their own ignorance, don't believe the moneyed interests that are funding the climate change deniers and defintely don't believe the people who have ideological or political agendas behind their denial. Instead believe the educated, knowledgeable 97% of climate change scientists who agree that it's a real thing.






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