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Klaatu_Nicto #21 Posted Jun 07 2019 - 22:08

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View PostPipinghot, on Jun 07 2019 - 12:09, said:

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Climate change deniers, on the other hand, are lead by a a host of people who don't have the education, don't have the credentials, don't have the expertise, don't have the knowledge of how climate change science really works.

 

Richard Lindzen is an American atmospheric physicist known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides, and ozone photochemistry. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and books. From 1983 until his retirement in 2013, he was Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He was a lead author of Chapter 7, "Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks," of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Third Assessment Report on climate change.

 

 

 

 

Dr. Spencer received his B.S. in Atmospheric Sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in Meteorology from the University of Wisconsin in 1980 and 1982. He then continued at the University of Wisconsin through 1984 in the Space Science and Engineering Center as a research scientist. He joined NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) in 1984, where he later became Senior Scientist for Climate Studies. He resigned from NASA in 2001 and joined the Univeristy of Alabama in Huntsville as a Principal Research Scientist. Dr. Spencer has served as Pricipal Investigator on the Global Precipitation Studies with Nimbus-7 and DMSP SSM/I, and the Advanced Microwave Precipitation Radiometer High Altitude Studies of Precipitation Systems. He has been a member of several science teams: the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) Space Station Accommodations Analysis Study Team, Science Steering Group for TRMM, TOVS Pathfinder Working Group, NASA Headquarters Earth Science and Applications Advisory Subcommittee, and two National Research Council study panels.

 

Since 1992 Dr. Spencer has been the U.S. Team Leader for the Multichannel Imaging Microwave Radiometer (MIMR) team and the follow-on AMSR-E team. In 1994 he became the AMSR-E Science Team leader.

He received the NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal in 1991, the MSFC Center Director’s Commendation in 1989, and the American Meteorological Society’s Special Award in 1996.

https://aqua.nasa.go...nce-team-leader

 

 

 

 

Anytime that 97% of the experts in a field agree on anything it only makes sense to believe them.

 

 

 

So don't believe Bill Nye, that's ok, but do believe the people he's getting his information from, becuase those are the people who actually know what they're talking about.

 

Some of Bill Nye's information comes from Mann.

 

 

Thanks to Climategate we learned Mann and his crowd threatened to blacklist any publication that published anything contrary to the human caused global warming theory. That means Nye is only seeing one side of the issue.

 

Also don't believe the ignorant people who have no knowledge or expertise of climate science but who somehow feel free to deny despite their own ignorance such as Bill Nye, don't believe the moneyed interests such as the green lobby and the green industry that are funding the climate change hysteria deniers and defintely don't believe the people who have ideological or political agendas behind their denial. Instead believe the educated, knowledgeable 97% of climate change scientists who agree that it's a real thing.

 

 


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Klaatu_Nicto #22 Posted Jun 07 2019 - 22:29

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 07 2019 - 11:21, said:

 

The massive heatwave of June 7, 1933. 

What happens to scientists who speak the truth.

 

 

Another victim.

 

Judith A. Curry is an American climatologist and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Her research interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates, air-sea interactions, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric research. She is a member of the National Research Council's Climate Research Committee. As of 2017, she has retired from academia.

 

Curry is the co-author of Thermodynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (1999), and co-editor of Encyclopedia of Atmospheric Sciences (2002), as well as over 140 scientific papers. Among her awards is the Henry G. Houghton Research Award from the American Meteorological Society in 1992.

 

 



Pipinghot #23 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 02:37

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 07 2019 - 16:08, said:

 

 

It's hilarious that your guy Alex Epstein calls people "fossil fuel opponents", that's a classic gambit of trying to minimize people by describing them as something they're not. It's a deliberate lie to call people "fossil fuel opponents", no one should be fooled by his garbage.

 



Klaatu_Nicto #24 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 18:22

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“If you want to improve the lives of the poor...you do it using the cheapest and most reliable energy you can get, which is fossil fuels." - Alex Epstein

 

Science Channel - In a move sure to be celebrated by opponents of fossil fuel-based energy, the World Bank has just made a huge announcement

 


Fossil Fuel Opponents Win ‘Holy Grail’ Decision
https://www.theepoch...on_2851484.html


Ending the climate crisis means we have to keep fossil fuel reserves in the ground. That means stopping all new coal, oil and gas infrastructure, and banning future fossil fuel projects — by 2020.
https://gofossilfree.org/stop-and-ban/


County Bans on Fossil Fuels: An Interview with 350 Seattle
https://350.org/foss...e-kc-interview/


Nevada Aims to Rid Its Grid of Fossil Fuels
https://www.bloomber...ng-growing-list


Costa Rica Becomes the First Nation to Ban Fossil Fuels
https://medium.com/i...ls-a180691daae4


Government to set a deadline to ban the use of fossil fuels for energy/transport
https://petition.par...etitions/245708


Nine countries say they’ll ban internal combustion engines.
https://qz.com/13411...a-law-to-do-so/


Sweden to ban sales of fossil-fuel powered cars by 2030
https://www.electriv...es-target-2030/


France Just Announced a Landmark Ban on Fossil Fuel Production
https://www.sciencea...on-fossil-fuels


Why an immediate ban on new fossil fuel development is necessary
https://asiancorresp...el-development/

 

Eliminating fossil fuels is not only unrealistic but bound to cause myriad unintended, negative consequences. The road to hell, as they say, is paved with good intentions.
https://calgaryheral...humanist-aspect


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Pipinghot #25 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 18:55

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 08 2019 - 12:22, said:

“If you want to improve the lives of the poor...you do it using the cheapest and most reliable energy you can get, which is fossil fuels." - Alex Epstein

Thanks for the proof that Epstein doesn't understand how managing large scale economies works. This is why you don't depend on a philosophy major to address macroeconomic policy.

 

You and your cohort Kekistan had fun mocking Bill Nye's credentials and expertise, and then you propose Epstein as a substitute, you've provided your own irony.


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Klaatu_Nicto #26 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 20:37

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View PostPipinghot, on Jun 08 2019 - 09:55, said:

Thanks for the proof that Epstein doesn't understand how managing the economies of large scale economies works. This is why you don't depend on a philosophy major to address macroeconomic policy.

 

You and your cohort Kekistan had fun mocking Bill Nye's credentials and expertise, and then you propose Epstein as a substitute, you've provided your own irony.

 

Where did I propose Epstein as a substitute for climate science?  

 

Bill Nye has no credentials in science. He is not a scientist. He is a 'science communicator.' You should watch that video I posted of Nye and Lindzen on the Larry King Show where Nye shows his ignorance of basic, textbook science.

 

 

 

 



Klaatu_Nicto #27 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 21:24

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From 2012

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

 

From 2015

 

 

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This website describes evidence from my group’s government-funded research that suggests global warming is mostly natural, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions and aerosol pollution.
http://www.drroyspen...ral-or-manmade/


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GeorgePreddy #28 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 22:50

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Pipinghot #29 Posted Jun 08 2019 - 23:02

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 08 2019 - 14:37, said:

View PostPipinghot, on Jun 08 2019 - 09:55, said:

Thanks for the proof that Epstein doesn't understand how managing the economies of large scale economies works. This is why you don't depend on a philosophy major to address macroeconomic policy.

 

You and your cohort Kekistan had fun mocking Bill Nye's credentials and expertise, and then you propose Epstein as a substitute, you've provided your own irony.

Where did I propose Epstein as a substitute for climate science?

Now now, let's not be disingenuous, clearly I meant that you were proposing him as a substitute for Bill Nye, not as a substitute for climate science. Don't go trying to move he goalposts like that, it's beneath you.

View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 08 2019 - 14:37, said:

Bill Nye has no credentials in science. He is not a scientist. He is a 'science communicator.' You should watch that video I posted of Nye and Lindzen on the Larry King Show where Nye shows his ignorance of basic, textbook science.

So what, I'm not defending Bill Nye. Trying to draw me into a debate about Bill Nye is a red herring.


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Klaatu_Nicto #30 Posted Jun 09 2019 - 19:33

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This video reminds me of Iran.


For at least twenty years I've been hearing or reading 'experts' say Iran is only a year or two away from having a nuclear bomb.



National Park Quietly Removed Warning That Glaciers ‘Will All Be Gone’ By 2020 After Years Of Heavy Snowfall
https://dailycaller....acier-warnings/

 

The worlds newest glacier - inside a volcano. :ohmy:

 


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Klaatu_Nicto #31 Posted Jun 09 2019 - 19:44

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View PostPipinghot, on Jun 08 2019 - 14:02, said:

 

Now now, let's not be disingenuous, clearly I meant that you were proposing him as a substitute for Bill Nye, not as a substitute for climate science. Don't go trying to move he goalposts like that, it's beneath you.

So what, I'm not defending Bill Nye. Trying to draw me into a debate about Bill Nye is a red herring.

 

Where did I propose philosophy major Epstein as a substitute for mechanical engineer major Bill Nye?

Klaatu_Nicto #32 Posted Jun 10 2019 - 04:32

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Ross McKitrick: This scientist proved climate change isn’t causing extreme weather — so they attacked him


Pielke reached the pinnacle of the academic community and helped organize the so-called Hohenkammer Consensus Statement, named after the German town where 32 of the leading scientists in the field gathered in 2006 to sort out the evidence. They concluded that trends toward rising climate damages were mainly due to increased population and economic activity in the path of storms, that it was not currently possible to determine the portion of damages attributable to greenhouse gases, and that they didn’t expect that situation to change in the near future.


Pielke was subjected to a vicious, well-funded smear campaign and heavily funded left-wing groups succeeded in getting him fired from a popular internet news platform. In 2015 Pielke quit the climate field.


Shortly thereafter, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released its 2007 report, largely agreeing with the Hohenkammer Consensus.


In 2012, the IPCC Special Report on Extreme Weather came out and echoed the Hohenkammer Consensus, concluding that once you adjust for population growth and economic changes, there is no statistical connection between climate change and measures of weather-related damages.


https://wattsupwitht...cians-attacked/


Polar Bear Expert Barred By Global Warmists


Top of the agenda at a meeting of the Polar Bear Specialist Group will be the need to produce a suitably scary report on how polar bears are being threatened with extinction by man-made global warming. Dr Mitchell Taylor has been barred from the meeting.


Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.


https://www.telegrap...l-warmists.html

 


In Coal We Trust: The Need For Coal Power In Asia

I analyze energy economics and related public policy issues.


The demonization of fossils fuels in general, and coal in particular, has been wrought under pressure from special interests groups and organized lobbies of the climate-industrial complex where aspects of economic reality are caricatured or presented out of context.


The claim that aggressive climate change mitigation programs helps the poor is egregiously misleading. Modern coal plants are a success story, as pollutants emitted have fallen dramatically with technological improvements over the past several decades. They reduce NOX by 83%, SO2 by 98% and PM by 99.8% according to the US Department of Energy.


Coal power plants lay the basis for improved public health. The use of charcoal, wood, dung and crop residues within households is caused by the lack of access to grid electricity and modern fuels such as LPG. The World Health Organisation reports that close to 4 million people die prematurely from illness attributable to indoor air pollution each year.


The second misleading claim is that intermittent sources of renewable energy can replace the need for grid-supplied power based on fossil fuels. Rigorous economic analyses of the hidden costs of unreliable, weather-dependent solar and wind power have countered such claims as an exercise in magical thinking.


https://www.forbes.c...a/#659c03481222



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Klaatu_Nicto #34 Posted Jun 11 2019 - 18:59

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Electric-blue night clouds are invading the U.S.


In the late spring every year, people at far northern latitudes have often seen these on clear or partly-cloudy evenings. But solar-minimum conditions, with few if any sunspots, are causing cooling in the extreme upper atmosphere around 80 km (~50 miles) high where the lowest atmospheric temperatures are recorded, approaching -150 deg. F (-100 deg. C). That altitude is above 99.999% of the air in the atmosphere.


http://www.drroyspen...vading-the-u-s/

 

 


25 bullet points proving CO2 does not cause global warming by a geologist for a change


1) Geologists know climate change unrelated to atmospheric CO2 occurred throughout Earth’s 4.5-billion-year history. Yet the IPCC (United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has no geologists among the hundreds of appointed authors of its Fifth Assessment Report of 2014 and its Sixth Report due in 2022 (see my Technical Note 2019-10). Thus IPCC incredibly lacks both geological input and long-term perspective.


4) ‘Climate change denier’ & ‘global warming denier’ are despicable & dishonest terms for ‘AGW doubters’. No educated person disputes global warming, as thermometers measured 1°C rise from 1850 to 2016 (with pauses).


7) For about 75% of the last 550 million years, CO2 was 2 to 15 times higher than now. Evolution flourished, CO2 enabling plant photosynthesis, the basis of all life. Extinction events due to overheating by CO2 are unknown.


11)  Since the 1850 start of man’s additions, CO2’s rise has generally accelerated, without reversals. In stark contrast, the post-1850 to present-day continuance of warming out of the Little Ice Age was interrupted by frequent small coolings of 1-3 years, some relatable to volcanic winters, plus two 30-year coolings (1878 to 1910, 1944 to 1976), and the famous 1998 to 2013 ‘global-warming pause’ or ‘hiatus’ (Wiki).


12) This unsteady modern warming instead resembles the unsteady rise of the sun’s magnetic output from 1901 toward a rare solar ‘Grand Maximum’ peaking in 1991, the first in 1700 years!


17) ... after the previous solar Grand Maximum (4th century, long before industrial CO2), in the next decades Earth warmed to near or above today’s temperature. Then ‘sawtooth’ cooling proceeded, through the Dark Ages and ‘Medieval Warm Period’, into the Little Ice Age, paralleling a 1,000-year unsteady solar decline; and ...


18) ... before that, between 8000 and 2000BC, Earth was occasionally warmer than today for hundreds if not thousands of years, as shown by tree rings, shrunken glaciers, etc.. Then unsteady cooling from 3000BC into the Little Ice Age paralleled unsteady solar decline following the Holocene’s ‘super-Grand’ Maximum near 3000BC.


24) The simultaneous rise of temperature & CO2 is a ‘spurious correlation’. Warming’s real cause was a solar build-up to a rare Grand Maximum, which man’s industrialization accompanied by chance. So IPCC demonizing CO2 as a ‘pollutant’ is a colossal blunder, costing trillions of dollars in needless & ineffectual efforts to reduce it.


https://www.research...ST_for_a_change

 


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Klaatu_Nicto #35 Posted Jun 12 2019 - 19:15

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The gas station lines of 1974. I remember that. I don't remember if this was nationwide or just my state but if the first number on your license plate was an even number you could only get gas on even numbered days and if odd only on odd numbered days. 

 

 



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NASA - Solar Activity Forecast For Next Decade Favorable For Exploration
June 12, 2019
The forecast for the next solar cycle says it will be the weakest of the last 200 years. The maximum of this next cycle – measured in terms of sunspot number, a standard measure of solar activity level – could be 30 to 50% lower than the most recent one. The results show that the next cycle will start in 2020.
 
 
Reinforcing the double dynamo model with solar-terrestrial activity in the past three millennia
May 2017
We predict the upcoming Modern grand minimum in 2020-2055
 
July 14, 2018 - Italian forecasters think solar minimum is causing global cooling
The climate could be at a really crucial crossroads over the next few years. Big changes seem to be waiting for us, and we could all be witnesses to something very unusual.
https://www.ilmeteo....e-gelo-tendenza
 
The most recent solar maximum
 
 

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Does that mean the radiation levels will be low enough for us to send Astronauts to the moon for real this time?

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View PostGseriesARFCOM, on Jun 17 2019 - 14:39, said:

Does that mean the radiation levels will be low enough for us to send Astronauts to the moon for real this time?

 

Only if the flat earth is turned in the right direction.

 

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View PostGseriesARFCOM, on Jun 17 2019 - 14:39, said:

Does that mean the radiation levels will be low enough for us to send Astronauts to the moon for real this time?

 

There is a bizarre problem. As solar output decreases, the sun's magnetic fields get weaker. With weaker solar magnetic fields, the amount of cosmic radiation that enters the solar system increases. Thus there may or may not be an actual decrease in the amount of radiation that astronauts might be subjected to.






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