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Klaatu_Nicto #61 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 09:02

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View PostcKy_, on Jun 27 2019 - 21:24, said:

 

And people make fun on flat earthers, I say it's more fun to laugh at these kinds of people.

 

No, you're right. All those climate scientists are incorrect because you haven't seen any water go up yet. Amazing.

 

Medieval Witch Hunts Influenced by Climate Change
The Little Ice Age was a period of climatic deterioration, characterized in Europe and North America by advancing mountain glaciers and prolonged periods of rainy or cool weather. The term was adapted to a period spanning from the 16th to the 19th century (1250/1500-1850), to describe both climatic as cultural changes. These difficult times also see the emergence of a new kind of superstition, that witches could "make weather."

https://blogs.scient...climate-change/

 

Hundreds of years later, despite all the evidence to the contrary, some people still want to blame climate change on humans. At least you're not burning anyone at the stake.........yet. 

 

June 26, 2019 - Mapping Out Cold, Wet June
https://www.agricult...t-cold-wet-june


June 26, 2019 - Online Farmers Resources Launched For 2019 Crop Disaster
Michigan’s farmers have been pummeled with severe cold and historic rainfall events so far in 2019.
https://www.wzzm13.c...f0-7591c3bad124



cKy_ #62 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 09:05

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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Jun 28 2019 - 17:40, said:

 

Do you have an argument?

 

I don't need to have an argument, if you refuse to believe despite all the evidence out there, then nothing I can say could ever change your mind. I remember reading that from 900 and something peer-reviewed abstracts by climate scientists, 75% explicitly agreed that climate change/global warming is man-made, and this was back in (I want to say) 2010.

 

Mind you, global warming probably doesn't affect you like it does me. My family have a few islands off the south coast of New Zealand, and every year we go to one of them to go muttonbirding. Muttonbirds feed off of sea life that thrive in cold water, so as it warms up (even slightly) there is less and less food for the muttonbirds, and this is evident in the birds we catch (and the lack thereof). Every year we have been catching less and less birds (and you can't attribute it to overcatching, since it is has been a family tradition to go muttonbirding even before the Europeans came to New Zealand, and they just went absolutely ham on the birds, whereas we only go for 2 weeks out of the year) and a lot of the chicks (since we catch, kill and eat the babies) are extremely scrawny and malnourished due to it being more and more difficult for the mothers to catch food, since it is moving further south to stay in cool waters. Looking back at the records that my poua used to keep when my dad was a kid, the numbers they were catching were extremely consistent. Hell, they were sometimes catching 200+ on good rainy and windy nights, whereas we struggle to even get 100 on the same kind of nights. 



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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 28 2019 - 20:02, said:

some people still want to blame climate change on humans.

 

Yes, all the climate scientists. 



Ikanator #64 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 16:34

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Only the ones who are using an arbitrarily truncated and cherry picked data set

 

I challenge you to explain how anthropogenic global warming was responsible for temperature and CO2 fluctuations during the previous 2 ice age cycles. 



cKy_ #65 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 16:44

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View PostIkanator, on Jun 29 2019 - 03:34, said:

Only the ones who are using an arbitrarily truncated and cherry picked data set

 

I challenge you to explain how anthropogenic global warming was responsible for temperature and CO2 fluctuations during the previous 2 ice age cycles. 

 

You mean the previous ice age cycles that took a lot longer than what's currently happening since there were no factories?

 

But I suppose it's just a coincidence that all this started at about the same time as the industrial revolution...



Klaatu_Nicto #66 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 19:23

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The industrial revolution began in the late 1700s/early1800s. According to the IPCC graph below temperatures began rising in the mid 1400s, began dropping around 1500 then began rising again in the mid 1600s

 


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cKy_ #67 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 19:29

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What's that from? 1990?

Klaatu_Nicto #68 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 20:17

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The story of the Grand Modern Maximum: Evolution of solar magnetic fields during the 20th century
The 20th century marks a period of exceptionally high solar activity, now termed the Grand Modern Maximum. Sunspot activity increased from a low level at the beginning of the century to a maximum during the solar cycle 19, then settled to a slightly lower level during cycle 20-23, and reduced to a significantly lower level during the ongoing cycle 24.
http://adsabs.harvar...cosp...42E2384M

 

Greater-than-expected solar activity heated the outer layers of Earth's atmosphere and increased drag on Skylab. By late 1977, NORAD also forecast a reentry in mid-1979; a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientist criticized NASA for using an inaccurate model for the second most-intense sunspot cycle in a century, and for ignoring NOAA predictions published in 1976.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

 

SABER monitors infrared emissions from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air 100 to 300 kilometers above our planet’s surface. By measuring the infrared glow of these molecules, SABER can assess the thermal state of gas at the very top of the atmosphere–a layer researchers call “the thermosphere.”   As 2018 comes to an end, the Thermosphere Climate Index is on the verge of setting a Space Age record for Cold. “We’re not there quite yet,” says Mlynczak, “but it could happen in a matter of months.”
https://spaceweather...-solar-minimum/



cKy_ #69 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 20:23

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Jun 29 2019 - 07:17, said:

 

 

I'm sure that you, some random boomer on the internet, know more than all the climate scientists all over the globe, because you read some stuff online vs their actual studies. But in the end... It doesn't even matter.



Klaatu_Nicto #70 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 22:05

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View PostcKy_, on Jun 28 2019 - 11:23, said:

 

I'm sure that you, some random boomer on the internet, know more than all the climate scientists all over the globe, because you read some stuff online vs their actual studies. But in the end... It doesn't even matter.

 

This is the kind of stuff I come across online.

 

New satellite data confirm real world temperature cooler than climate models
Data gathered from 2003 through 2017 confirm temperatures remained essentially flat from 2003 through 2015.
https://www.cfact.or...climate-models/


Evidence for solar forcing of sea-surface temperature on the North Icelandic Shelf during the late Holocene

http://www.geo.uni-b...l_Geology05.pdf


Arctic Sea Ice and the Mean Temperature of the Northern Hemisphere https://arxiv.org/ft.../1706.05835.pdf


Wavelet-Based Multifractal Analysis On A Time Series Of Solar Activity And PDO Climate Index http://www.sciencedi...273117717304118


The Influence of Solar System Oscillation on the Variability of the Total Solar Irradiance https://www.research...olar_Irradiance
 

Reinforcing the double dynamo model with solar-terrestrial activity in the past three millennia https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.04482.pdf


Extended Arctic Proxy Temperature Database For The Past 2,000 Years
https://www.nature.c...les/sdata201426


Intrinsic Pink-Noise Multidecadal Global Climate Dynamics Mode: The recent phenomenon referred to as the “global warming hiatus" may reflect a coupling to an intrinsic, preindustrial, multidecadal variability process.
https://journals.aps...Lett.121.108701


The Solar Wind and Climate: Evaluating the Influence of the Solar Wind on Temperature and Teleconnection PatternsUsing Correlation Maps: The influence of the solar wind on climate should be considered much stronger than conventionally believed. Once its mechanism is elucidated and incorporated in to climate models, it will greatly contribute to policy development. In other words, the effectiveness of climate models is greatly reduced when the influence of the sun (and moon) is not adequately represented.
https://arxiv.org/ft.../1807.03976.pdf


Land-Based Portion Of Massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet Retreated Little During Past 8 Million Years. Large parts of the massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet did not retreat significantly during a time when atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations were similar to today's levels, according to a team of researchers funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF). The finding could have significant implications for global sea level rise.
https://www.nsf.gov/...g=NSF&from=news


Causes of non-stationary relationships between geomagnetic activity and the North Atlantic Oscillation
The solar wind signal prevailed over Canada in association with the negative NAO index and more of Arctic air was able to penetrate North America and Eurasia. We finally show that the geomagnetic storms may play a role in the acceleration of the downward penetration of pressure anomalies from the upper stratosphere into the troposphere.
https://www.scienced...36468261830378X


Multi- decadal variations and periodicities of the precipitable water vapour (PWV) and their possible association with solar activity: Arabian Peninsula
https://www.scienced...364682618306989


Influence of solar activity changes on European rainfall
The literature review demonstrates that most multidecadal studies from Central Europe encountered a negative correlation between solar activity and rainfall, probably because short time lags of a few years are negligible on timescales beyond the 11 year solar Schwabe cycle. Flood frequency typically increases during times of low solar activity associated with NAO- conditions and more frequent blocking.
https://www.scienced...364682618305273


Spatio -temporal variations in urban heat island and its interaction with heat wave
Most of the urban localities are facing the effects of Urban Heat Island (UHI) and extreme heat wave (HW) events. It is expected that these HW events are likely to be intensified by the effect of UHI in the future. As these events project to increase in both severity and frequency therefore, it is crucial to assess the intensity of UHI and examine the relationship between HW and UHI....During the first phase (1998–2001), the maximum Urban Heat Island Intensity (UHII) for night time in summer was 1.9 °C, while during the second phase (2012–2016), it increased by 0.6 °C.
https://www.scienced...364682618304012


Evidence for solar forcing of sea-surface temperature on the North Icelandic Shelf during the late Holocene http://www.geo.uni-b...l_Geology05.pdf


Fifty Years after “How to Wreck the Environment”: Anthropogenic Extinction of Life on Earth
http://www.journalre...JGEESI42006.pdf


Strategic Implications Of Counter-Geoengineering: Clash Or Cooperation?
Solar geoengineering has received increasing attention as an option to temporarily stabilize global temperatures. A key concern is that heterogeneous preferences over the optimal amount of cooling combined with low deployment costs may allow the country with the strongest incentive for cooling, the so-called free-driver, to impose a substantial externality on the rest of the world.
https://www.scienced...095069618305035


Estimating global agricultural effects of geoengineering using volcanic eruptions: Solar radiation management [SRM] is increasingly considered to be an option for managing global temperatures....We find that the sunlight-mediated effect of stratospheric sulfate aerosols on yields is negative for both C4 (maize) and C3 (soy, rice and wheat) crops.
https://www.nature.c...1586-018-0417-3


The air war on the Earth’s climate: Scientists have found that low solar activity is associated with the blocking of winter jet streams and was responsible for the jet stream polar-vortex dips that created the harsh winter of 2014-15. This would seem to indicate that SRMs might backfire.
http://www.nationmul...on/aec/30276627


Land-Based Portion Of Massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet Retreated Little During Past 8 Million Years. Large parts of the massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet did not retreat significantly during a time when atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations were similar to today's levels, according to a team of researchers funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF). The finding could have significant implications for global sea level rise.
https://www.nsf.gov/...g=NSF&from=news


July 14, 2018 - Italian forecasters think solar minimum is causing global cooling
The climate could be at a really crucial crossroads over the next few years. Big changes seem to be waiting for us, and we could all be witnesses to something very unusual.
https://www.ilmeteo....e-gelo-tendenza


June 12, 2019 - Solar Activity Forecast for Next Decade Favorable for Exploration
The forecast for the next solar cycle says it will be the weakest of the last 200 years. The maximum of this next cycle – measured in terms of sunspot number, a standard measure of solar activity level – could be 30 to 50% lower than the most recent one. The results show that the next cycle will start in 2020 and reach its maximum in 2025.
https://www.nasa.gov...for-exploration


September 2017 - CO2 Heating Overestimated by 50%

 


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View PostcKy_, on Jun 28 2019 - 07:44, said:

 

You mean the previous ice age cycles that took a lot longer than what's currently happening since there were no factories?

 

But I suppose it's just a coincidence that all this started at about the same time as the industrial revolution...

 

No, I mean the cycles that took the exact same amount of time that they're taking now. If you were willing to do more than just parrot what the main stream media states that "climate scientists believe" and actually analyze real data you would find that the "belief" of "climate scientists" is fallacious.

 

By the way, my first professional credentials were in archaeology. The significance of that to this debate is that in order to do archaeology well you have to have a handle on paleoclimatology. In other words, I do know what the actual historical data (non truncated, non cherry picked) are. So, I again put forth my challenge. Can you do anything more than simply parrot lines from a main stream media newspaper story? (And we all know how accurate the main stream media is when it comes to the stories they run). Can you actually use anthropogenic global warming to explain the temperature fluctuations through the 2 previous ice age cycles? Or will you just give a meaningless nonsense reply again? Klaatu is better at this than I am because he is willing to take the time and the trouble to track down primary source material and analysis and make it available to you at your finger tips. You have yet to react to any of it other than to dismiss it. That is neither indicative of the appropriate use of the scientific method nor good debating skills. Somebody who was actually interested in really doing science and logically analyzing the data would realize that there is a lot more substance to what Klaatu and I are arguing than what the main stream media and "climate scientists" would have you believe.

 

 


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For a bit of humour, look up the "Al Gore Effect" on local weather when he visits somewhere :)

Klaatu_Nicto #73 Posted Jun 30 2019 - 00:27

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TheManFromKekistan #74 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 09:48

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I guess these guys are climate change deniers too.. :rolleyes:

 



cKy_ #75 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 10:56

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this thread lmbo

 

some people

 

hurr durr mainstream media

 

dont forget to vaccinate your kids



stalkervision #76 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 17:06

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TheManFromKekistan #77 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 17:09

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View Poststalkervision, on Jul 03 2019 - 11:06, said:

 

Is this supposed to be satire? 



stalkervision #78 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 18:12

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Was your comment or are you being cereal ?:D

Klaatu_Nicto #79 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 20:17

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No Experimental Evidence For The Significant Anthropongenic Climate Change

In this paper we will prove that GCM-models used in IPCC reportAR5 fail to calculate the influences of the low cloud cover changes on the global temperature. That is why those models give a very small natural temperature change leaving a very large change for the contribution  of  the green house gases in the observed temperature. This is the reason why IPCC has to use a very large sensitivity to compensate a too small natural component. Further they have to leave out the strong negative feedback due to the clouds in order to magnify the sensitivity.  In addition, this paper proves that the changes in the low cloud cover fraction practically control the global temperature.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

 

Spotty coverage: Climate models underestimate cooling effect of daily cloud cycle

Princeton University researchers have found that the climate models scientists use to project future conditions on our planet underestimate the cooling effect that clouds have on a daily — and even hourly — basis, particularly over land.

https://www.princeto...ily-cloud-cycle

 

 


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TheManFromKekistan #80 Posted Jul 03 2019 - 23:19

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View Poststalkervision, on Jul 03 2019 - 12:12, said:

Was your comment or are you being cereal ?:D

 

I ask because a few days after that chick made her cnn appearance most of the scientists she quoted filed an internal complaint that the leadership(all put in place by the last admin) had cherry picked the absolute worst case scenarios out of the study which were not expected to happen but were included because there was a minor chance and then presented them as the most likely outcome when the most likely outcome was a slow gradual change which would give us nearly a century to prepare for the coming cooling period not a decade. So the report was basically a huge piece of activist bullcrap and why the media dropped it like a red hot rock. So again did you post it as satire?






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