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Max_Ferrous #1 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 16:50

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Since the last update my AMX ELC bis acts just like a turretless tank destroyer. The turret will only move through a very small arc before the whole hull begins to rotate. There is no visible turret rotation while on the move making it impossible to turn the turret to engage targets to the side while moving. This situation totally breaks the AMX as a scout and I can only try to hide in the bushes as a quite inadequate tank destroyer. Support says they didn't change anything in the last update that affected the light tanks but the AMX was working normally since I've had it right up until the last update, then it was different. 

rockbadger #2 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 16:51

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Which gun are you using?

Waarheid #3 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 17:00

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That's how the turret works with the 90mm gun. Always has been that way. 

If you put either 75mm gun on (which WG added to the tank later) you have full turret traverse. 


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I'm using the 90mm. I've had the gun for several days before the upgrade and the turret worked as it should until the last update.

Max_Ferrous #5 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 17:02

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I'll try changing the gun back and see. Thanks

rockbadger #6 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 17:04

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View PostWaarheid, on Jun 13 2019 - 17:00, said:

That's how the turret works with the 90mm gun. Always has been that way. 

If you put either 75mm gun on (which WG added to the tank later) you have full turret traverse. 


This guy is right.  The 90mm does not and has not ever had a fully traversing turret.  With the 75mm, the turret will swing all the way round.



Waarheid #7 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 17:05

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The olny nitpick I have with the 90mm is that its traverse does not match that of the real tank while stationary. 

IRL the turret can traverse 360 degrees when the tank is parked. The limited traverse only occurs when the tank is moving because the crew can't get up and move to allow the turret to move fully. 

 

Having said that, the ELC can be used as an effective scout with the 90. It just plays differently. 


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Max_Ferrous #8 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 18:02

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Okay, got it figured out, thanks Waarheid. I'll just have to decide which configuration I can live with best. 

SquishySupreme #9 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 18:37

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This actually was how the entire line was in real life.  The turret only could rotate a few degrees because there was no room for the gunner to stand and fire ( it would injure them if rotated too far ).

The ELC was a single shot as well - I'd rather have the listed 5-6 second reload rather than an autoloader with the worst reload in the game.

So many things they got wrong on that entire line.

Stormer100 #10 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 19:03

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Rip the old ELC, I still miss it

rockbadger #11 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 19:50

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View PostMax_Ferrous, on Jun 13 2019 - 18:02, said:

Okay, got it figured out, thanks Waarheid. I'll just have to decide which configuration I can live with best.

 

With the 75mm, its more or less a standard tier 5 scout, very comparable to the chaffee.  The 90mm opens up some interesting options, but isn't as flexible.  It really is a shadow of its former self, as Stormer100 alluded to.  It used to be a zoom and boom ninja assassin.


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rockbadger #12 Posted Jun 13 2019 - 19:54

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What in the name of autoformat is wrong with my post above?

Whistling_Death_ #13 Posted Jun 15 2019 - 16:21

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At this link comparing the ELC to all other tier V light scouting tanks, we can see the ELC with its pathetic 180 horsepower engine is far, far, far below any other tier V light scouting tank. The Chaffee has a 500 horsepower engine. The M7 has a 600 horsepower engine. The T-50 has a 400 horsepower engine. The T-50-2 has a 300 horsepower engine. The Leopard has a 550 horsepower engine. But the lowly, not fun to play anymore ELC is hobbled with a 180 horsepower engine. :(

This is fair? This is balanced? This is fun? No, it's not.

The ELC needs a proper 250 horsepower engine to be able to be competitive and even fulfill the role of a light scouting tank.

https://tanks.gg/compare/amx-elc-bis?t=chaffee%7Em7%7Et-50%7Et-50-2%7Eleopard

 

The ELC also has the highest terrain resistance of any tier V light scouting tank.  This combined with the lowest horsepower engine of any tier V light scouting tank and you can hit a little fence with your ELC and almost come to a complete halt!

 

A tier V tank with a tier III power level engine is not right!

 

The ELC needs to be fixed with a proper 250 horsepower engine and lower terrain resistance values so it can really fulfill the role of a light scouting tank without getting blown to smitherines by enemy tanks as the ELC struggles mightily trying to get through little walls, fences, etc.






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