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Messerschmitt_Masser #1 Posted Jun 16 2019 - 01:41

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Nothing, just wanted to create a post about it.

 

Its even worse than indien panzer (up to this moment, my most hated tank).

 

The fact that there are people that can perform well in BC12 doesnt mean that that tank isnt a total piece of the most utterly idiotic crap. Seems like I just will have to leave the grind and say bye bye to AMX 30. What a pity


Edited by Messerschmitt_Masser, Jun 16 2019 - 01:42.


Christojojo #2 Posted Jun 16 2019 - 01:50

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There is no use playing tanks that are not fun to you. Unless of course you really want the next in line. Enjoy the game by playing tanks you like.

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Sometimes the tank isn't crap, as much as the user behind it. You absolutely have to understand the fundamentals of light tanks, auto-loaders, and hit + run tactics. If you can get those down and get used to the playstyle, it's an absolutely outstanding light tank.

Messerschmitt_Masser #4 Posted Jun 16 2019 - 01:54

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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Jun 16 2019 - 01:51, said:

Sometimes the tank isn't crap, as much as the user behind it. You absolutely have to understand the fundamentals of light tanks, auto-loaders, and hit + run tactics. If you can get those down and get used to the playstyle, it's an absolutely outstanding light tank.

all to say that I am crap? Yes I am a crap player, Einstein. That DOES NOT change the fact that BC12 is a piece of pathetic crap... Which you need to play until you get almost 200K of exp for the next tank... What a stupid thing that is

 

EDIT: almost 600K exp needed if you want the three next tanks. I prefer to be literally dead before having to grind any and play this crapanymore. I guess I gonna buy some beers and yolo this crap until I finally reach the exp for the AMX 30 and then finally sell it and dont see it near me never again in my entire life.


Edited by Messerschmitt_Masser, Jun 16 2019 - 01:56.


Mfezi #5 Posted Jun 16 2019 - 02:05

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Just finishing my third grind to get the 13-90. A good little tank as far as I'm concerned (110 battles, 50% WR)

 

Sometimes you just have to take a step back and say "Is it me or is it the tank?".... :)

 


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BC12 - probably the most OP Tier 8 light tank ever created...

 

 



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View PostMesserschmitt_Masser, on Jun 16 2019 - 01:41, said:

Nothing, just wanted to create a post about it.

 

Its even worse than indien panzer (up to this moment, my most hated tank).

 

The fact that there are people that can perform well in BC12 doesnt mean that that tank isnt a total piece of the most utterly idiotic crap. Seems like I just will have to leave the grind and say bye bye to AMX 30. What a pity

Is there something specific you don't like about it? You haven't mentioned anything and you're obviously a good player so I'm genuinely curious. Personally, I like it. It has good mobility, good camo and a good gun. I like to play a passive spotting game early, then be an aggressive assassin late, with an occasional anti-scout action in the middle. That seems to be a good plan in this tank. But I'm open to any dissenting opinions.



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View PostMesserschmitt_Masser, on Jun 15 2019 - 19:54, said:

Yes I am a crap player, Einstein. That DOES NOT change the fact that BC12 is a piece of pathetic crap...

<Admits to being a bad player.

<Still blames the tank.

(Although ironically based on your stats as shown in your siggy, you aren't a bad player overall, so I don't get where all this is coming from exactly.)

 

Bud, the majority of the community would readily disagree with you that it's a bad tank. It takes a lot of skill and patience to do well with, sometimes even more-so than its predecessors.

To make my point even clearer, everyone has their tanks they just don't fare well with personally. That doesn't automatically make the tank bad, that just means you aren't experienced enough with it, and/or it isn't your playstyle.


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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Jun 16 2019 - 00:51, said:

Sometimes the tank isn't crap, as much as the user behind it. You absolutely have to understand the fundamentals of light tanks, auto-loaders, and hit + run tactics. If you can get those down and get used to the playstyle, it's an absolutely outstanding light tank.

 

How does this make any sense at all. You can clearly look at the poster, and see. Are you calling him crap?

 

Bat Chat 12T is an awful tank. lt does not matter if someone like circon, driving it does well. The tank still sucks.

lf he was driving another light tank, he would be doing better than 'well'  Bat Chat 12T needs buffs

 

How is the DPM so bad? The ammo should have higher pen, higher damage, like EBR75.  175 not 170, and 220 APCR

680 burst damage is unimpressive too. For a pathetically low DPM.  Even 90 shares these problems too. Both suck

 

Worst part about it all, to unlock the AMX30, Bat Chat 25, and AMX1390, you need a woeful, dreadful, 585,000 exp

 



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If you are an opportunistic player it can become really nasty, finding someone to rush, dump 4 rounds in and run away to reload and repeat gets you nice results, the problem is that you need 600k XP to get through it, it becomes tiring real quick..

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l get exactly where he is coming from. Bat Chat 12T is an awful light tank. 

l am 170,000 exp into the 585,000, and l can't share enough how much this tank sucks

Tier 7 T71 DA has more DPM, 6x150 burst, basically the same prem pen  -  compared to this crapper. 

AMX1375 for goodness sakes, exhibits better characteristics than 12T. lt haves 50 more DPM

Bat Chat 12T is an useless tier 7 tank, with tier 8 HP and view range. And thats it

 



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Ah, the Tier VIII BC 12 T. It has the hardest grind in the game to make it Elite as there are three Tier IXs after it. I'm not good with light tanks at all but endured it to unlock and get the AMX 13 90 (which is awesome and I probably won't get the AMX 13 105 when it's unlocked) and the BC 25 T AP which I'll grind to the BC 25 T. I had wanted to get the AMX 30 B too but I needed to move the BC 12 T up into the AMX 13 90. I have a new crew starting in my AMX 13 75 and when they hit three skills will probably move them into the BC 12 T and finish that grind for the AMX 30 B.

 

The BC 12 t unlocks the path to three good tanks:

  • Tier IX AMX 13 90
  • Tier X BC 25 T
  • Tier X AMX 30 B

 

It's a very long grind for all three. It helped when there was an On Track for one of them.

 

Anyway, the BC 12 T is a pretty good light tank. I'm just not so good at light tanks. You have to be determined to finish the grind like I was to get to tanks you could be better in. To unlock the two Tier IXs it took me 344 battles at a 44% win rate. I'm just not so good with that tank. But it was worth it and will be again.

 

Never give up. Never surrender.


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View PostF1O1, on Jun 15 2019 - 19:23, said:

l get exactly where he is coming from. Bat Chat 12T is an awful light tank. 

l am 170,000 exp into the 585,000, and l can't share enough how much this tank sucks

Tier 7 T71 DA has more DPM, 6x150 burst, basically the same prem pen  -  compared to this crapper. 

AMX1375 for goodness sakes, exhibits better characteristics than 12T. lt haves 50 more DPM

Bat Chat 12T is an useless tier 7 tank, with tier 8 HP and view range. And thats it

 

 

I disagree, if you look at the stats outside of DPM it has some of the best all around stats outside of premium tier eight LT.  If you can't get used to the auto loader that is on you not the tank.  I found it to be beastly in frontlines hunting down arty or wheelied tanks.  Or getting the flanking kill shots on hurt tanks.  No the tank can't brawl as well as other light tanks, but it works really well if you flank targets and clip them down.

 

Also why do you post on a alt account?  I never get why people hide.



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View PostF1O1, on Jun 15 2019 - 20:19, said:

 

How does this make any sense at all. You can clearly look at the poster, and see. Are you calling him crap?

 

Bat Chat 12T is an awful tank. lt does not matter if someone like circon, driving it does well. The tank still sucks.

lf he was driving another light tank, he would be doing better than 'well'  Bat Chat 12T needs buffs

 

How is the DPM so bad? The ammo should have higher pen, higher damage, like EBR75.  175 not 170, and 220 APCR

680 burst damage is unimpressive too. For a pathetically low DPM.  Even 90 shares these problems too. Both suck

 

Worst part about it all, to unlock the AMX30, Bat Chat 25, and AMX1390, you need a woeful, dreadful, 585,000 exp

 


You clearly didn't see my second post. I noted his WN8 banner as being rather puzzling, although he admitted to being bad himself, although I understand that sometimes reading is difficult for some people. Also hate to break it to you, but people can pad WN8 very easily in a variety of ways. WN8 doesn't automatically translate to being an amazing player. As I've stated and as others have, it's not an awful tank. If I can dig up some of them still, I have replays of me pulling off some absolutely outstanding matches with mine, even in small cities. I didn't start off as an amazing driver for it (or any of my lights) though, until I learned how to run them properly.

 

By the way, maybe try posting from your real account, not your 60 battles alt?



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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Jun 16 2019 - 02:13, said:

<Admits to being a bad player.

<Still blames the tank.

(Although ironically based on your stats as shown in your siggy, you aren't a bad player overall, so I don't get where all this is coming from exactly.)

 

Bud, the majority of the community would readily disagree with you that it's a bad tank. It takes a lot of skill and patience to do well with, sometimes even more-so than its predecessors.

To make my point even clearer, everyone has their tanks they just don't fare well with personally. That doesn't automatically make the tank bad, that just means you aren't experienced enough with it, and/or it isn't your playstyle.

I dont see how adminitng the tank is bad and admiting Im not a PRO at all are opposite ideas. The tank IS crap.

 

A tank that "takes a lot patience" in a GAME is not fun and I CONSIDER it then a totally crap. Things like T43, for example, or like 3002, are FUN, and you can perform well on them, doing some effort but without putting your entire life on them. Thats why I consider them "good". 



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I can't say about the T8, but I don't like any of the BC's, the 9 & 10.  They aren't what they used to be.

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View PostF1O1, on Jun 15 2019 - 20:19, said:

 

How does this make any sense at all. You can clearly look at the poster, and see. Are you calling him crap?

 

Bat Chat 12T is an awful tank. lt does not matter if someone like circon, driving it does well. The tank still sucks.

lf he was driving another light tank, he would be doing better than 'well'  Bat Chat 12T needs buffs

 

How is the DPM so bad? The ammo should have higher pen, higher damage, like EBR75.  175 not 170, and 220 APCR

680 burst damage is unimpressive too. For a pathetically low DPM.  Even 90 shares these problems too. Both suck

 

Worst part about it all, to unlock the AMX30, Bat Chat 25, and AMX1390, you need a woeful, dreadful, 585,000 exp

 

 

 

Even 90 is a blast.  I have to disagree that it sucks.



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View PostMesserschmitt_Masser, on Jun 15 2019 - 20:40, said:

I dont see how adminitng the tank is bad and admiting Im not a PRO at all are opposite ideas. The tank IS crap.

 

A tank that "takes a lot patience" in a GAME is not fun and I CONSIDER it then a totally crap. Things like T43, for example, or like 3002, are FUN, and you can perform well on them, doing some effort but without putting your entire life on them. Thats why I consider them "good". 

 

Sounds like you just want an easy button Russian tank.

 

The BC12t is an extremely fun and capable tank - you just have to use it as an assassin instead of as a brawler. If you can't do that fine, but don't blame the tank.



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what redeeming fact does it have, other than camo?

 

View range isn't 390 or 400. 

Doesn't have gun control like LT432 or even LTTB. 

Doesn't have alpha damage 

Has low ammo stock, lower than T92, EBR75, M41 Bdg, M41D  -  all the other LT with 75mm caliber

Not to mention lower HP, crippling frontal engine mount with 20% chance to burn

 

And when we are talking about DPM disadvantage, l would be okay with shrugging of 50, 100, 150 maybe.... in less overall DPM. But this piece of crap has 300 less than HK12, an equally bad light tank. That is just donkey awful, and Even 90 is worse. How does T71 DA have 900 burst, 6 shots, and 250 more DPM as a tier 7? 

 

Bat Chat 12T needs 5 damage per shot buff,  ROF increased to at least 11rds/min,  and APCR increased to 220mm

 

 

 



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View Postbilzbobaggins, on Jun 16 2019 - 01:44, said:

 

Even 90 is a blast.  I have to disagree that it sucks.

 

Don't worry, it sucks.

 

Terrible DPM, even more terrible than Bat Chat 12T terrible DPM

Bad HP/T, odd for a post 9.18 released prem light tank  (LT432 / T92 / HK30 / M41D don't have low HP/T)

Bad alpha, bad shell velocity. Should be 240 not 220, 930 not 760 like ELC tier 5. Prem pen should be 240mm like old ELC

Extremely low HP, even less than armoured cars

660 burst is even worse than Bat Chat 12T, not even half HP of most tier 8, why low DPM?

Terribly bad light tank fire control stats. 

 

Even 90 needs even more buffs than Bat Chat 12T does

 

 






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