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Trakks #1 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 09:06

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The gun is the same as the stock gun in the M10 Wolverine but the stats are higher than the last upgrade gun that the Wolverine gets. The ROF is especially too high. There is no way this gun should pen better than the 76mm M1A1 and fire so much faster. It should have the same stats as the 3 inch gun that the Wolverine starts with. All you've done with this tank is give seal clubbers a new toy to play with. 

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kapri25 #2 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 09:21

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I don't know whether to be sarcastic or give you the grave news about this game. Since you're new let me be straightforward. As you continue to go up the tech tree you're going to find things do not follow the "must be" mantra that anyone holds unless you're Russian and part of the WG team. Have you faced a Defender/IS-6/Object 262 yet? Any autoloader tanks? How about consistently being dinged to death by a heavy camo rated light tank? Sniper TD? The M10 RBFM is the last of you're worries. Wait till you face an E-25.

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F1O1 #3 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 09:59

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T-34 shielded got an unfair gun upgrade,  why can't the M10  RB?

 

At any rate, the vehicle isn't particularly fast. ln HP/T, terrain resistances, tracks

 lt is not particularly effectively protected either. Low HP available

130mm pen for a tier 5 TD is low end. 170mm APCR is also low. Same with 115 dmg

Besides the very high DPM, a turret as a TD, high view range  -  M10 RB is quite avg

 



BoredSightsNA #4 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 10:24

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View Postkapri25, on Jun 18 2019 - 02:21, said:

I don't know whether to be sarcastic or give you the grave news about this game. Since you're new let me be straightforward. As you continue to go up the tech tree you're going to find things do not follow the "must be" mantra that anyone holds unless you're Russian and part of the WG team. Have you faced a Defender/IS-6/Object 262 yet? Any autoloader tanks? How about consistently being dinged to death by a heavy camo rated light tank? Sniper TD? The M10 RBFM is the last of you're worries. Wait till you face an E-25.

 

 

It sounds like you don't understand spotting/camo mechanics and never learned how to shoot at angled armor. When in doubt spam HE instead of premium shells.



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The M10 RBFM is perfectly balanced. It gains a bit of firepower (DPM, aim time), at the cost of losing a fair bit of engine power.

 

Frankly, the regular M10 Wolverine is a better tank than the M10 RBFM because of that mobility difference. The M10 RBFM's gun improvement is minor, while the mobility difference is significant.



kapri25 #6 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 10:49

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View PostBoredSightsNA, on Jun 18 2019 - 04:24, said:

 

 

It sounds like you don't understand spotting/camo mechanics and never learned how to shoot at angled armor. When in doubt spam HE instead of premium shells.

I don't think you read my comment. I understand spotting/camo mechanics. Never said anything about that.



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80DPM difference is now a thing. thats <0.08s reload advantage. it takes 4 shots to kill either M10 from full HP assuming all average rolls. so the actual difference is <0.32s between the two killing each other. if you can react in 0.32 seconds i will be plenty surprised.

 

also, everyone got a M10 RBFM, so how are seal clubbers the only ones who got a new toy?



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View PostTrakks, on Jun 18 2019 - 05:06, said:

The gun is the same as the stock gun in the M10 Wolverine but the stats are higher than the last upgrade gun that the Wolverine gets. The ROF is especially too high. There is no way this gun should pen better than the 76mm M1A1 and fire so much faster. It should have the same stats as the 3 inch gun that the Wolverine starts with. All you've done with this tank is give seal clubbers a new toy to play with. 


The only reason you feel like it's OP is that there's often 5 of them per side, so the chances that one kills you are substantial. It's also the reason why you see all those damage indicators telling you a M10 RBFM is shooting at you, so it feels like it reloads in a blink of the eye.

PS: Scorpiany is right.



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I would note that the M10 RBFM gas become the new fav arty target.

 

It has the open turret so attractive for arty, but lacks the quickness of the T67 and Wolverine to change positions.



Ironclad73 #10 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 13:36

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View PostTrakks, on Jun 18 2019 - 00:06, said:

The gun is the same as the stock gun in the M10 Wolverine but the stats are higher than the last upgrade gun that the Wolverine gets. The ROF is especially too high. There is no way this gun should pen better than the 76mm M1A1 and fire so much faster. It should have the same stats as the 3 inch gun that the Wolverine starts with. All you've done with this tank is give seal clubbers a new toy to play with. 


If there were 3 - 5 wolverines on each team you would be saying the same thing as the Wolverine is still a better tank than the RBFM because of its mobility. It is not OP, just too many of them in tier 5 games right now.



kapri25 #11 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 15:05

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Kind of interesting how most of your WN8 comes from tier 1...says a lot.

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View Postkapri25, on Jun 18 2019 - 08:05, said:

Kind of interesting how most of your WN8 comes from tier 1...says a lot.

 

Most of my WN8 comes from tier 1? I appreciate honest debates.

 

EDIT: 533 battles at the time of this post are the number of tier 1 battles. 533 out of 26k+ battles has little effect on my WN8. Damage, kills, spots, K/D ratio, average tier, etc., are the numbers that influence the WN8.


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View Postkapri25, on Jun 18 2019 - 07:15, said:

 

And you must be special. How droll. Been around since 2011 and yet only has over 3k battles. He's new. Just because he signed up back then does not make him have an understanding of the game. The reason the game is set up like it is is only known by the staff in Belarus at WG headquarters...doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the bias that lies towards Russian tanks. I mean...you should know...your top tank played is a Russian clone... How hard is it to kill...you really are that mentally incapable to try a mind game with me? Whatever. You can think what you want to. Whatever floats your boat. If you hate to bring stats into the subject then why did you? Yeah...you're one of those people. Sitting on your high horse because you have good stats looking down on those that don't have similar or better. Here is the problem though...nothing wrong with my stats. Matter of fact...looking at yours...my recents are about the same as your overall. If not better in some areas. So...if you want to stat shame anyone you might want to improve your intelligence level to know before you speak up. But go ahead...you do you.

 

The number of battles does mean a lot but the advantage of a player from the early days means they didn't have a problem with +3/-3 MM. Too many crying over the last few years about this or that being OP ever since they started advertizing this game at WWE and Monster Truck shows. The Type 59 has a weakspot where I've died many times after a one shot at my ammorack. Every tank has it's strengths and weaknesses.


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View range and camo on it seems just nuts is all that bugs me.

 

 



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If they're gonna start nerfing premiums they should start with the Skorpion and 130 PM, and it can't come soon enough

D1rkjr #16 Posted Jun 18 2019 - 17:14

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wthare you on about, its slower than the M10, if its gun was the same or worse than the M10 it would be useless because it would just be an M10 but worse. A prem tank doesnt have to be garbage, it doesnt get pref MM. 

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I don't usually play low tiers but with the Tank Rewards thing kind of requiring it I've been playing tier 5 a bit lately. Yeah there's a lot of them on each team almost every game but if they're OP then it sure doesn't seem to help most of them do very well.

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View Posttanopasman62, on Jun 18 2019 - 09:09, said:

If they're gonna start nerfing premiums they should start with the Skorpion and 130 PM, and it can't come soon enough

 

Not going to happen.



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The turret on the M10 RBFM is a beast. Can't pen it with gold 90% of the time. It's very effective tier-for-tier. Could even say OP/seal clubby :\

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View PostWolfskrieger, on Jun 18 2019 - 10:47, said:

The turret on the M10 RBFM is a beast. Can't pen it with gold 90% of the time. It's very effective tier-for-tier. Could even say OP/seal clubby :\

 

Don't use gold. Use HE. Open turret with thin armor has a high chance to ammo rack.






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