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The American Tech Tree Is Horrible

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JakeTheMystic #1 Posted Jun 29 2019 - 03:11

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Scorpiany recently posted his thoughts of the American tech tree. Here's what I'd believe it should look like. 

[Rating scale is the same] My revisions and notes will be in blue.

 

His original post if you want to give him a +1, he did put in quite a bit of effort putting this all together. 

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/607295-%e2%98%85-tech-tree-overview-review-american-tanks-%e2%98%85/

 

The rating scale will be as follows:

Terrible Tanks which are ones you should avoid playing if at all possible. If you're going to Free XP a tank, these are the ones to do it.

Bad - Tanks which are outclassed by most other similar vehicles at their Tier, and often perform worse than the good tanks at a Tier lower.

Situational - These are tanks which may be very good in the right situation, but may be very vulnerable in others.

Average - Run of the mill, forgettable tanks. These are vehicles which are playable, and aren't that bad, but they don't have anything going for them either.

Good - These are vehicles that are generally a good playing experience, and can sometimes carry battles. At the very least, they can punch their own weight.

Great - Tanks which can be relied on to consistently put out good battle results and can easily win battles, even ones where you're seemingly out-gunned.

Competitive - These are vehicles which may be used in a competitive setting, such as for Strongholds, Tournaments or Clan Wars.

 

We'll start at the Tier 10 tanks, and work our way down to the Tier 5's. I will not cover Premium tanks, although I will give a mention to the Tier 10 reward tanks. Let's get started, shall we?



 

Tier 10's:

T110E5: Situational

The T110E5 was once a powerhouse, and could have easily been considered one of the most well-rounded Tier 10 tanks. Now, it's a shadow of its former self. Powercreep has hit the E5 hard  The tank wasn't power-crept, it was buffed for a short period of time and quickly nerfed after it caused an uproar in the community. It was a fairly OP vehicle due to its cupola being hit-or-miss. Now, it may be fun to take out in pubs occasionally and serves as a good hull-down vehicle at distance. Up close, it strikes very little fear into the enemy. Tanks such as the Super Conqueror, 60TP and Cheiftain have completely taken over the spotlight. E5 isn't a bad tank per se, but there's really no reason to play it in place of some of its competition.

 

T57 Heavy: Good

​The T57 Heavy is still a dangerous opponent when driven by a skilled player. It can be somewhat situational when it comes to maps and positions, but overall it will still put out good results. It's rarely competitive with just a few exceptions, but it's still a fun tank to play and still has by far the deadliest autoloader on a turreted tank.

 

M48 Patton: Good - [Revised from Great]

​The M48 Patton's HD remodel fixed the tank's major previous flaw, which was lackluster armor. Now, it has decent protection which can make it an effective ridgeline warrior. However, the highlight of the Patton is by far its amazing gun. With some of the best stabilization values in the game, the Patton is the god of snapshots. Even most Russian mediums can't compete with the Patton's gun handling. It will almost never see use in competitive play, but for Random Battles, it's an amazing tank to have in your Garage.

 

M60 (CW Reward): Bad  <He forgot this in his original post>

This tank all around is just worse than the M48 Patton. When the Patton buffs went though, it really felt like this thing was left in the dust. The turret armor is laughable and the gun is pretty average for its tier. The only advantage the M60 has is its speed, but just being faster doesn't make it any better than its medium counterparts. For being a reward tank, its quite lackluster in every way and it would honestly be better to just keep your bonds/fame points and redeem them for other rewards. The M60 is really only known for its meme and nothing else. Nicknamed the M60 Jesus, some may call it "bold and brash", but I'd say "It belongs in the trash". 

 

T95E6 (CW Reward): Average - [Revised from Good]

​The T95E6 was quite a bad tank when it was first released. However, WG has buffed it twice since then, with the last buff being the most significant for the tank. They significantly improved its gun handling and gave it a major engine power increase. Now, it's actually a very well rounded tank, and is generally a better version of the AMX 30B. It still has its drawbacks, and by no means should it be your first choice of reward tank. However, it can be a fairly fun and unique tank to own, and if you already have the 907 and Cheiftain, you won't regret picking one up. The tank may have good speed and great DPM. Its fairly small profile as well, allowing you to easily maneuver the battlefield without much contest. It severely lacks in any time of armor other than an occasional bounce, but you certainly won't be able to compete against most other top tier mediums relying solely on DPM advantage. Tanks like the 430U, 907, and even the recently-buffed STB-1 greatly outshine this vehicle. 

 

T110E3: Good - [Revised from Situational]

​The T110E3 is the dictionary definition of a situational tank. When it can sit hulldown and block off a corridor, it may seem like an absolute God, like Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet. However, as soon as it's caught out of position it's a slow, lumbering target that's super easy to track and take out. Some people love it - But it's only a good tank in the right situation. Far too often, you'll find yourself frustrating playing it and getting out-played by anyone with a turret. The E3 may be a god in situations, being able to sit back while hull down and just massacre an entire enemy team. It doesn't have stellar gun depression, so being more on flat ground at a distance would suffice. The only major problem is fighting close-quarters or on city maps like Himmels or Ruinberg. There are some rubble piles you can seek refuge behind, but as soon as you go to move you will be tracked and taken out easily. With those in mind, the tank is overall one of the more popular TD's in a CWs setting. The Badger may be better at being a ridge-line warrior, but due to the badgers lack of speed, the E3 takes the top dog as the TD bully. 

 

T110E4: Average - [Revised from Good]

​The T110E4 is a tank hated by many, but it's still a good performer. A turreted TD with 750 alpha is never something to underestimate, especially when it has a bit of armor to go along with it. That being said, both the gun and armor can be unreliable - But played correctly, the E4 will still put out decent results. You have to be careful when playing it, and you shouldn't completely disregard it. The big difference between the E3 and E4 is the armor values. The E4 has an easily to pen turret and hull while the E3 can reliably bounce most premium rounds without having to worry about angling. The E4 cannot reliably go hull down and is only a terrifying vehicle when its unspotted. As soon as it is spotted, its easily taken out of the game. For these reasons, it belongs in the average category. 

 

Sheridan: Average - [Revised from Good]

​The Sheridan isn't a competitive tank by any means, but it's still a fun tank to play and has some interesting characteristics that will allow you to put out some decent results. The choice of guns is also nice to have, although in general the 105mm is the better gun to use. The Sheridan has some spaced armor covering the sides too, which can catch people slinging HE shells off guard. It's possibly the worst light tank of them all at this point. Its a large target with decent mobility and a lackluster gun that is really situational. What else more can you ask for?

 

T92 HMC: Average

​The T92 is often a major disappointment after playing through the M53/55. The T92 is slow, has no gun depression and has a much less reliable gun. However, it's gun still puts out massive damage if you can score a direct hit. It's not a bad arty piece, but it's more of a one-trick pony than anything else.


 

Tier 9's:

M103: Bad - [Revised from Average]

The M103 is yet another victim of powercreep, just like the T110E5. It's not a bad tank - The armor is still usable, and the gun is still pretty punchy. However, its British and Polish counterparts are far superior tanks to play. It's a forgettable tank, followed by yet another forgettable tank. Its almost the worst heavy at tier 9. Scratch that, it is the worst heavy at tier 9. The armor is unreliable in any way, the gun is fairly average but as such a large and slow target, it has almost no redeemable qualities. Some may like it, but the majority hate it. This is where the line just gets bad. 

 

M46 Patton: Good - [Not competitive]

The M46 Patton is a very solid tank. Tier 9 mediums in general are mostly good performers however, and the M46 Patton doesn't always shine past its Soviet counterparts. The Patton is a very well-rounded and flexible tank, which gives it its unique flavor. I'd argue the M48 Patton is a better tank Tier-for-Tier, but the Tier 9 Patton is still solid. You can expect to see the M46 Patton in tournament matches too.

 

T54E1: Situational

The T54E1 would be a decently well-rounded autoloader, if it weren't for one fatal flaw - Its absolutely anemic penetration values. Unless you're willing to sling full APCR, the T54E1 often times will struggle to consistently put out good damage results. In the right matchup, it can still be a beast. Other times, it may just be more frustrating than anything else.

 

T95: Situational

The T95 is just as situational as the T110E3. The E3 has a punchier gun with much better DPM values, but the T95 has a smaller lower plate and tougher side armor.

 

T30: Good

The T30 is often considered a better tank Tier-for-Tier than the T110E4, primarily because of its 10 degrees of gun depression and tougher turret. However, the T30 is really just a T34 with a bigger gun. It's slower than the E4 and doesn't have any hull armor to work with. It's a ridgeline warrior more than anything else, and can feel more slower-paced than the E4. As such, whether you prefer the T30 or E4 will come down to your playstyle. Either way though, T30 is likely a tank you will enjoy playing through.

 

T49: Situational - [Revised from Good]

The T49 is a tank that's most infamous for its 152mm derp gun, but also has a fairly competitive 90mm mounted on it. It's a decent tank, that can be loads of fun regardless of which gun you decide to mount on it. When you're in the right place at the right time, the derp gun is a blast to play with. The majority of the time, you will just be left disappointed by the fact that you are going to be ran over by any other light tank on the field. You can't even reliably pen an EBR with that thing, let alone trying to hit one. 

 

M53/55: Great, Competitive

The M53/55 is an arty piece that brings back Vietnam flashbacks and an "Oh [edited], here we go again" at the same time for people who see it on the enemy team's list. It's a great arty piece, with a turret, gun depression, mobility and a good balance of damage output and gun reliability. Run... Just run away!


 

Tier 8's:

T32: Average - [Revised from Bad]

For the longest time, I'd consider the T32 a situational tank. However, the T32 is by far one of the biggest victims of powercreep in the game. While its turret armor is still legendary, the tank has nothing else going for it. You'll be able to hold a ridgeline, sure - But beyond that you're useless. The guns are anemic and require loads of APCR to make use of them. The tank is slow and its hull armor is poor too. I'd generally avoid this tank, unless you have loads of credits to spend on APCR and you absolutely love sitting on ridgelines.  Maybe a few months back it was that bad, but it actually received a buff some time back that actually made it quite good. Give it a bit of a break for being thrown into one of the worst tiers full of premiums that are better than their tech tree counterparts in every way, and you have a some what decent tank. The gun is reliable and the turret will bounce quite often. The hull armor is pretty standard. If you were to pair this thing up against most other (non-premium) tier 8s, it could hold its own depending on the situation.

 

Pershing: Average

The Pershing, like many other tanks in the American Tech Tree, has been power-creeped by better and better Tier 8 mediums - Many of them being Premium tanks. It's not a bad tank - But as with the T32, it needs loads of APCR to make work well. At least its more well-rounded than the T32, which gives it a much better gameplay experience already. Nonetheless, it's most likely going to be a forgettable tank for you, and just another Tier 8 medium.

 

T69: Good - [Revised from Bad]

Another victim of powercreep! The T69's penetration is anemic, and rarely finds itself in a position where it can make use of its gun. The armor is poor, the mobility is decent, and the gun is very unreliable. HEAT makes things a bit better, but HEAT shells are notoriously unreliable. It's not a tank you should play, even if you're an avid fan of autoloaders. And the T69 compared to the Progetto? That's just nightmare fuel in the making. The gun is quite accurate and the pen is reliable enough. If you are trying to brawl up front with the thing, you're just playing it wrong. Again, comparing tech-tree tanks to their premium counterparts is just laughable, we already know premiums are better. When you compare this thing to the STA-1, Panther II, or even the horrendous ind-panzer, this thing looks quite good. The things a blast to drive and if you get into the right situation, its legendary. The only problem is being put against tier 10s will make you cry... A lot. 

 

T28: Situational

The T28 is yet another situational turretless TD. Tier-for-Tier, its armor isn't nearly as good as the T95 or E3. The gun however, can catch some people by surprise with its surprisingly good rate of fire.

 

T28 Prototype: Situational - [Revised from Bad] No comment

T28 Prototype is a tank that's very easy to catch out of position, and while you'd think the turret would make it a bit more forgiving than its turretless counterpart, often times the extremely thin side armor, the flat turret armor and massive engine deck makes it evaporate from the battlefield as soon as the enemy puts you in their sites. In the right situation, it can get some decent results, especially if it's Top Tier. However, a tank that has to rely on the MM to get good results isn't much of a tank at all, is it?

 

M41 Bulldog: Average

Once a feared powerhouse of the battlefield, ever since it lost its autoloader, the Bulldog is often times overlooked. It's not a bad light, but it's outclassed by Premium counterparts. What a surprise! Powercreep hits yet another tank.

 

M40/M43: Average

The M40 at Tier 8 is similar to what the T92 is at Tier 10. It's a one-tricky piggy, with a big gun, but not much else going for it.


 

Tier 7's:

T29: Good - [Revised from Great, not competitive] 

The T29 is by far the highlight of the American heavy line. It's a great tank at Tier 7, and can punch its weight against higher Tiered opponents. In many ways, the T32 feels as though it didn't get any real upgrades over the T29. The penetration is the same, mobility is similar and the armor is no better Tier-for-Tier. The T29 is a tank that's resilient to powercreep and will often see play in tournaments too. Grind to the T29, and stop there. Going any further will be a waste of your time. The thing has been pretty badly power crept and is no longer the top dog for tournaments. People may occasionally run the thing because it was the meta of the past, but you will continuously be beat by a Tiger I in almost any situation unless you get that one map where the T29 can be hull down and reliable. The gun is good for its tier and the turret armor is reliable, but its such a large target that even my KV-2 can pen the thing with relative ease with AP.

 

T20: Average

T20, just like the Pershing, benefits from liberal use of APCR shells. However, it hasn't really been powercreeped as the Pershing has. It's just that many Tier 7 mediums are mediocre tanks to begin with, and the T20 really is no different.

 

T25 AT: Good

The T25 AT is often overlooked, but really shouldn't be! It's a good tank, and surprisingly quick too. Its gun is better than the T29's too! Unfortunately, its armor is definitely lacking, and the lack of a turret makes it a disappointment after the Jackson for many. However, it's not a tank to disregard either. Even if turretless TD's aren't quite your thing, you most likely will enjoy your time with the T25 AT.

 

T25/2: Good

The T25/2, just like the T25 AT, is disregarded by many. However, when you compare it to the T20, it becomes a surprisingly good proposition. The tank will play similarly to the T20, but will have a much more reliable gun. Frankly, I'd say the T25/2 is a better medium tank than most Tier 7 mediums!

 

T71 DA: Great, Competitive

T71 DA is a spectacular tank, with a powerhouse of an autoloader. The penetration is definitely lacking compared to most Tier 7 tanks, but its 900 damage clip potential, great mobility and even decent stabilization values makes it a tank worthwhile having in your Garage. Definitely expect to see a few of these running around in Tier 7 tournaments.

 

T71 CMCD: Great

T71 CMCD on paper looks like a better tank than the T71 DA. It has better gun stats and better mobility stats! However, the lack of an autolaoder doesn't make it nearly as intimidating of an opponent. You shouldn't underestimate the CMCD variant though! it has some of the best effective traverse speeds in the game, and is still a beast of a Tier 7 light tank. It just won't be used in tournaments, unlike the T71 DA.

 

M12: Good

The M12 is definitely more flexible than some of its higher Tiered variants, mostly because of the better gun stats and faster rate of fire. It's also quicker than you may expect, with some pretty solid engine power behind it.


 

Tier 6's:

M6: Good, Competitive

The M6 is a tank forgotten by many, but it shouldn't be. It has a punchy gun, decent mobility and good view range. It's no T29, but it's still a formidable opponent driven by a good player. You may occasionally see these in tournaments as well, although there are a handful of other competitive Tier 6 heavies as well.

 

M4A3E2 (Jumbo): Good - [Revised, Not competitive, too slow]

Stock turret and 105mm howitzer. If you're not using this combo, you're doing it wrong. Sure, you can technically play it any way you want, but let's be honest here - The stock turret and 105mm gives this tank the character that makes it special for many players. The Jumbo can definitely struggle in bottom Tiered matchups, but in general you'll find yourself putting out good damage results. In Tier 6 tournaments, you may see these things slinging HEAT at you as well.

 

M4A3E8 (Easy 8): Average - [Revised from Good]

The Easy 8 is a tank loved by many, but frankly it's just not as great of a tank as people may say. It's certainly still a good performer, but just as with the Jumbo, it will struggle in bottom Tiered matchups. You'll also find yourself shooting quite a few APCR shells out of it. It has a good rate of fire with some what reliable enough pen for tier 6. The only problem is that it has laughable to non-existent armor. You might be lucky enough to bounce a shot here or there, but it won't nearly bounce anywhere near as much as the Jumbo or Thunderbolt. 

 

Jackson: Good - [Revised from Great]

Just as with the T25/2, the Jackson is to be played more like a medium tank than a tank destroyer. However, the Jackson's gun performance at Tier 6 is often considered to be better Tier-for-Tier than the T25/2. This makes it a formidable opponent to fight against, especially when it's driven by a skillful player. ​Certainty better than the Hellcat since some of the nerfs, but its still overall meh in comparison to even an SU-100. The only advantage being it has a turret.

 

Hellcat: Average

The Hellcat used to be one of the most overpowered sealclubbers in the game, until WG more or less neutered it. Now, the Hellcat is a shadow of its former self. The gun can be unreliable and frustrating, the tank is quick in a straight line but doesn't have any of the nimble character it once had. It's not a bad tank, but it's just a disappointment, especially after you've played through the T67.

 

T21: Average

The T21 is easily outclassed by the Type 64. It's not that bad of a tank, but its lacking DPM and lacking top speed just makes it a far less competitive tank than its Chinese counterpart.

 

T37: Good

The T37 is also a shadow of its former shell, but it wasn't hit quite as hard as the Hellcat was. The T37 still has some amazing gun stabilization, which gives it some character, but its anemic accuracy makes it a questionable tank to play at times.

 

M44: Great, Competitive

The M44 is like the Tier 6 version of the M53. It has a reliable gun, decent damage output and a wide gun arc. Not to mention it's super quick! This tank is the bane of many Tier 6 players, and even higher Tiered opponents will hate seeing these things on the enemy team list.


 

Tier 5's:

T1 Heavy: Great, Competitive

T1 Heavy has decent mobility and decent armor for a Tier 5 heavy, but also has a gun very similar to the T67's! This is not a tank to underestimate, and while it can be outplayed by a good player, it can pull some great carries too! You'll also see plenty of these in Tier 5 tournaments, although not nearly as many as the Soviet Tier 5 heavies.

 

M4 Sherman: Great, Competitive - [Revised from Good]

The M4 Sherman is a well-rounded Tier 5 tank. It has great view range, great gun depression and a little bit of armor to go along with it. However, the derp gun isn't all that great, and the 76mm has horrific DPM values. Nonetheless, it's a decent tank to play and will be a good experience for many players, whether they're new to the game or experienced tankers.

 

Wolverine: Good - [Revised, Not Competitive] 

While many believe the Wolverine to be out-shadowed by the T67, this really isn't true.The Wolverine's gun performance is even better than the T67's, and the spectacular 370m of View Range allows you to spot your opponents at great distances even with Coated Optics. It also has enough armor to usually avoid getting penetrated by the 105mm derp guns which are so plentiful at Tier 5. It may not be the stealth seal clubber than the T67 is, but it's still a powerhouse in its own regard and is easily one of the best Tier 5 tanks in the game. While you may not see many of these in tournaments, it's really a hidden gem and is a tank that should see a lot more tournament usage than it currently does. It's completely out-performed by the T67 in every way. The whole bit about the armor is completely untrue and you will be penned by derp-guns on a consistent basis, especially the M4 Sherman. The gun and view range are good, buts its horrendously slow in comparison to the T67 and the camo is no where near the stealth cloaking technology of the T67. It's laughable to consider this thing as anything more than just good. 

 

T67: Stupidly Broken, Legendary, Competitive - Revised from Great

The T67 is one of the most infamous seal clubbing and stat padding tanks in the game. It has insane mobility values and absolutely ludicrous camo values. In many ways, it's like the E-25 of Tier 5, except it has a turret but worse accuracy values. This is also a very competitive tank that you'll see plenty of in tournaments. If you're a new player, these tanks may be the bane of your existence for a while. You really need to master the camo mechanics in the game to know how to counter one of these cockroaches, and even then there will be times when you can't really do anything against it.

 

M7: Bad

While the M7 is a pretty decent scout, it's suffered the same fate as the Hellcat. Its gun was completely butchered, and the tank as a whole is an underwhelming experience. It used to be one of the best Tier 5's in the game, but now it's one of the worst. The anemic gun will frustrate you far more than its good mobility / view range stats. The poor gun stabilization values really are the final nail in the coffin for this tank.

 

Chaffee: Average

The Chaffee's gun is also quite poor, but its good stabilization values make it a better tank to play with than the M7. While the Chaffee's penetration values are worse than the M7's, the Chaffee has better DPM. The Chaffee isn't quite as agile, but has better acceleration. It's mostly an average and forgettable tank, which is a shame for many 2013 WoT players.

 

M41 HMC: Good

M41 HMC is often overlooked because of the M44, but it's still a decent arty piece. It's still relatively quick, has a decent gun arc and has a punchy gun for the Tier. The gun just doesn't have nearly the same accuracy / aiming time / rate of fire that makes the M44 so deadly.



 

Overall, the lines just get worse the further you go. The ratings on arty are a bit of give-and-take, I havent played though the whole thing since I've never cared for arty. What I do know for certain is the tier 9 and 10 are used consistently for CWs and advances. 

 

Other than that, these are just mostly by "feel" and not strictly stat-based. Taking experience from playing in CWs, Advances, Skirms, Pubs, and Tournaments, I'd believe it's a fairly reliable rating but as always, they are left to interpretation. 

 

Feel free to check out Scopriany's original post and give him the +1 since he did go through all the effort of putting this together, I just wanted to spend some time revising it to my opinion. Thanks. 

 

His original post:

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/607295-%e2%98%85-tech-tree-overview-review-american-tanks-%e2%98%85/



JakeTheMystic #2 Posted Jun 29 2019 - 03:19

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*Edited to include the M60 as it seems he forgot it in his original post.

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Unlike most of the player base I know the T28 Prot to be a decent tank even as a support heavy when in the right hands that said the T95 is a great tank and certainly better than some of the crap at tier 10 tier for tier. If one wants to experience what a bad tier 8 tank is actually like then play the TVP, T-34-2 or the AMX 65T.

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What about the chit T95E2? I hardly play mine because it sucks 

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Agree with the analysis on the T67. I've played one battle with the T67 and got a bloody pools medal with it. It's stupid

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View PostBill_Nye_the_RussianSpy, on Jun 28 2019 - 18:43, said:

What about the chit T95E2? I hardly play mine because it sucks 

 

I'm too lazy to add that one. It's technically a reward vehicle and not a CWs vehicle. I'd probably say its bad, again because its at tier 8 and its playing against a lot of premiums, the tank itself isn't too horrible but due to the MM... The gun is kinda lacking in every aspect and the armor isn't reliable by any standard. It could definitely use some love and I don't think its been buffed since it was first implemented. 

 

I've only played a handful of games in it myself. Wasn't too impressed.  



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Fair opinions on most of the vehicles, even if I disagree on the E8 Sherman, Wolverine, and a few others. The E8 even today is a fine tier 6 medium, the Wolverine's superior gun characteristics make if more enjoyable (and yes, the armor portion Scorp included is true, you will see less full one-shots than on the T67), and while you said "meh" about the Jackson, I'd always take it over a SU-100. Personally, for tier 6 TD's the Jackson is near the top of the list, with the Nashorn and JgPzIV being my favorites (Nash for overall weaponry, and JgPz for flexible gameplay).

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View Postmongoosejake, on Jun 28 2019 - 19:30, said:

Fair opinions on most of the vehicles, even if I disagree on the E8 Sherman, Wolverine, and a few others. The E8 even today is a fine tier 6 medium, the Wolverine's superior gun characteristics make if more enjoyable (and yes, the armor portion Scorp included is true, you will see less full one-shots than on the T67), and while yoiu said "meh" about the Jackson, I'd always take it over a SU-100. Personally, for tier 6 TD's the Jackson is near the top of the list, with the Nashorn and JgPzIV being my favorites (Nash for overall weaponry, and JgPz for flexible gameplay).

 

I'd agree to the Jgpz Iv, same with the Dicker Max. The Jg has a nice ROF with reliable camo while the Dicker has godlike DPM. As for the Jackson, I mostly come across them playing the Kv-2 regardless of HE or AP, it's a possible 1-shot for me. The Jumbo and KV-2 can pen HE through the turret (100% chance according to tanks.gg) and the AP from the KV-2 can go through anywhere on the front except for the very bottom which is really the only bouncy part on the tank (since its 114mm).



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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jun 29 2019 - 20:39, said:

 

I'd agree to the Jgpz Iv, same with the Dicker Max. The Jg has a nice ROF with reliable camo while the Dicker has godlike DPM. As for the Jackson, I mostly come across them playing the Kv-2 regardless of HE or AP, it's a possible 1-shot for me. The Jumbo and KV-2 can pen HE through the turret (100% chance according to tanks.gg) and the AP from the KV-2 can go through anywhere on the front except for the very bottom which is really the only bouncy part on the tank (since its 114mm).

 

No, the JgPz4 has godlike DPM, 500 more than the Dicker



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There are some really suspect opinions here, ranging from you callign the M60 bad, when it was pretty substantially buffed. That it isnt a direct copy of the M48 isnt a bad thing, its more akin to a US Leopard 1 now, except it still has a better handling gun, and does actually have some workable armor compared to the Leopard 1.

 

Thhe T95E6 is indeed also a good vehicle after its buffs, where is has a punchy gun with great DPM and good mobility.

 

Both the T100E5 and M103 are indeed average tanks, and the M103 is far from the worst tier 9 heavy.

 

The M46 Patton is still one of the best tier 9 mediums in the game, and is most definitely competitive.

 

The T69 has some of the worst gunhandling at tier 8, so I dont know how you can be giving it a good rating at all given its also not that mobile and not that well armored.

 

And if youre getting beat by a Tiger I (as much as I like the Tiger I) in a T29 in anything other than a 1v1 open field DPM fight, youre making mistakes. The T29 is by far and away still the most OP tier 7 heavy tank.

 

Theres a lot of very questionable decisions in your "revisions".



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View PostAvalon304, on Jun 29 2019 - 05:00, said:

There are some really suspect opinions here, ranging from you callign the M60 bad, when it was pretty substantially buffed. That it isnt a direct copy of the M48 isnt a bad thing, its more akin to a US Leopard 1 now, except it still has a better handling gun, and does actually have some workable armor compared to the Leopard 1.

 

Thhe T95E6 is indeed also a good vehicle after its buffs, where is has a punchy gun with great DPM and good mobility.

 

Both the T100E5 and M103 are indeed average tanks, and the M103 is far from the worst tier 9 heavy.

 

The M46 Patton is still one of the best tier 9 mediums in the game, and is most definitely competitive.

 

The T69 has some of the worst gunhandling at tier 8, so I dont know how you can be giving it a good rating at all given its also not that mobile and not that well armored.

 

And if youre getting beat by a Tiger I (as much as I like the Tiger I) in a T29 in anything other than a 1v1 open field DPM fight, youre making mistakes. The T29 is by far and away still the most OP tier 7 heavy tank.

 

Theres a lot of very questionable decisions in your "revisions".

what tier9 heavies are worse than the m103? while it might not be the worst currently(wasn't it buffed slightly not all that long back?) it is very close

the e5 is also among the bottom three tier10 heavies, which means not average.



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View PostAvalon304, on Jun 29 2019 - 01:00, said:

There are some really suspect opinions here, ranging from you callign the M60 bad, when it was pretty substantially buffed. That it isnt a direct copy of the M48 isnt a bad thing, its more akin to a US Leopard 1 now, except it still has a better handling gun, and does actually have some workable armor compared to the Leopard 1.

 

Thhe T95E6 is indeed also a good vehicle after its buffs, where is has a punchy gun with great DPM and good mobility.

 

Both the T100E5 and M103 are indeed average tanks, and the M103 is far from the worst tier 9 heavy.

 

The M46 Patton is still one of the best tier 9 mediums in the game, and is most definitely competitive.

 

The T69 has some of the worst gunhandling at tier 8, so I dont know how you can be giving it a good rating at all given its also not that mobile and not that well armored.

 

And if youre getting beat by a Tiger I (as much as I like the Tiger I) in a T29 in anything other than a 1v1 open field DPM fight, youre making mistakes. The T29 is by far and away still the most OP tier 7 heavy tank.

 

Theres a lot of very questionable decisions in your "revisions".

 

I can agree with the T69, I would argue it could get situational, but from my experience I had no problem learning its capabilities and maximizing its potential. It was quite fun to play. 

 

I'd say youre completely wrong about the M103, it's most definitely the worst tier 9 heav. The only other tank that even comes close to being worse is the Vk.45.02, but at least that thing has somewhat reliable armor unless youre just trying to side-scrape.

 

The E6 I admit I havent played if it has been buffed in the last half-year. I hardly see anyone playing it and its never used in CWs. With that in mind and how many great mediums are at tier 10, the E6 easily sits in the average range.

 

The M46 I admit, I havent touched either. I've played the 10 on my sheriff account and wasnt too impressed. I've played against them numerous times and never felt that they were a threat, regardless of the tank i'm in. I know the T-54 is easily the best at tier 9, followed really closely by the T-55A, 430, udes, cent, the Patton is in there as well, certainly making it good, but just not competitive in my eyes when a T-54 and T-55A can slaughter pattons so easily. 

 

As for the T29, Its really just... Good. The Tiger I can really easily out DPM the thing and in tournaments, DPM and focus fire is most important. That is what the competitive rank is to me, not just a tank that would be good for pubs. The thing is great for pubs, its kind of aged but its aged well. But if youre in a tournament against things like E-25, 13-57, 122-44, Tiger © and Tiger I, the T29 is in the top with them. Just because its not that great on the majority of maps unless you stick it in a certain spot, its just... Good. You wont win tournaments anymore with a T29 in a 1v1 against a Tiger I and you wont win the team fights with it being so slow if its caught out of position. 

 

But again, these are solely based on my opinion as was Scorpiany's. Some like a tank more than others and I just felt like writing out something a bit longer for once. 



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M48 is a God. THat should definitly bein the the Great category. Its almost like driving a pre-nerf e5 in some situations with a better rate of fire.

 

T32 is still garbage and will be until penetration buffs.

 

The T28 prot is actually more of a hidden gem than you realize. When they made it an enclosed TD they allowed the use of Vents. That tank with vents and coated optics and a BIA crew is acutally pretty dam Fatal with very high view range and DPM. you do NOT want me creeping up on you in mine, especially if you lack penetration.

 

Tiger's DPM is actually very easy to neuter if you remember its huge flaw...the MASSIVE ammo racks that you can hit from the front. Put a few shots in the top right corner of the upper plate and the DPM advantage is gone. If he gives you side just hammer him below the turret and watch it pop.


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View Post_Bagheera_, on Jun 29 2019 - 20:48, said:

The T28 prot is actually more of a hidden gem than you realize. When they made it an enclosed TD they allowed the use of Vents. That tank with vents and coated optics and a BIA crew is acutally pretty dam Fatal with very high view range and DPM. you do NOT want me creeping up on you in mine, especially if you lack penetration.

 

Don't open top vehicle receive the vents bonus' by default?



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View PostKliphie, on Jun 29 2019 - 19:50, said:

 

Don't open top vehicle receive the vents bonus' by default?


THey made mention of that, but I dont belive it was ever added.



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View Postcommander42, on Jun 29 2019 - 09:59, said:

what tier9 heavies are worse than the m103? while it might not be the worst currently(wasn't it buffed slightly not all that long back?) it is very close

the e5 is also among the bottom three tier10 heavies, which means not average.

 

VK(B), 257, 705, Type 4,  are all worse than the M103. VK (B) has armor, but its got terrible mobility and a rear mounted turret. Ditto for the 705 (though a plus to the 705 for havign 2 viable guns). The Type 4 has bad armor, even for a super heavy and its gun is merely ok. The 257 mostly relys on its troll armor profile to get things done, but its not really that good of a tank otherwise.

 

The E5 is still an average tank, despite there being some OP as balls tier 10 heavy tanks out there. Its still a well rounded tank that can bully most tier 10 mediums (which is what its always been good at).

 

View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jun 29 2019 - 15:05, said:

 

I can agree with the T69, I would argue it could get situational, but from my experience I had no problem learning its capabilities and maximizing its potential. It was quite fun to play. 

 

I'd say youre completely wrong about the M103, it's most definitely the worst tier 9 heav. The only other tank that even comes close to being worse is the Vk.45.02, but at least that thing has somewhat reliable armor unless youre just trying to side-scrape.

 

The E6 I admit I havent played if it has been buffed in the last half-year. I hardly see anyone playing it and its never used in CWs. With that in mind and how many great mediums are at tier 10, the E6 easily sits in the average range.

 

The M46 I admit, I havent touched either. I've played the 10 on my sheriff account and wasnt too impressed. I've played against them numerous times and never felt that they were a threat, regardless of the tank i'm in. I know the T-54 is easily the best at tier 9, followed really closely by the T-55A, 430, udes, cent, the Patton is in there as well, certainly making it good, but just not competitive in my eyes when a T-54 and T-55A can slaughter pattons so easily. 

 

As for the T29, Its really just... Good. The Tiger I can really easily out DPM the thing and in tournaments, DPM and focus fire is most important. That is what the competitive rank is to me, not just a tank that would be good for pubs. The thing is great for pubs, its kind of aged but its aged well. But if youre in a tournament against things like E-25, 13-57, 122-44, Tiger © and Tiger I, the T29 is in the top with them. Just because its not that great on the majority of maps unless you stick it in a certain spot, its just... Good. You wont win tournaments anymore with a T29 in a 1v1 against a Tiger I and you wont win the team fights with it being so slow if its caught out of position. 

 

But again, these are solely based on my opinion as was Scorpiany's. Some like a tank more than others and I just felt like writing out something a bit longer for once. 

 

 

I mean I also made the T69 work... that doesnt mean it isnt trash. And it is trash.

 

See above for the M103.

 

The T95E6 was buffed when all the CW reward tanks were buffed previously. Its pretty good now.

 

The T-54 and T-55 arent even close to the best tier 9 mediums (unless they want to spam HEAT I guess, but even then). Tansk like the M46, AMX30 prot, Centurion 7/1, Standard B, T 50, the recently buffed Type 61 and others are far better. The T-54/55 dont even compare to most of those. That T-54s are easy to play doesnt make them good.

 

Again if youre engaging a Tiger I in a DPM fight, youre making mistakes. Tournaments arent about DPM theyre about positioning and team work. If youre losing to a Tiger I in a T29 youre playing the tank wrong. (And that doesnt even mean you have to be hull down since the T29 can also brawl pretty well and can sidescrape because phat-tracks).



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