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T-28 and T-95 the same tank


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MutsuKaiNi #1 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 21:25

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From what I have read about it I think they are the same exact tank it just had a diffrent names at diffrent times, now this makes me wonder did the devs just had a little lazyness going on because I can almost guarantee that they are the exact same tank.

Lert #2 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 21:30

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Except where they're not. The T95 is a different machine, probably an evolution of the T28 design. The hull is similar, true, but there are differences. Besides, can you really call the devs lazy if it's the american tank design comittee that didn't come out with more designs?

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Except they are the exact same tank.  In real life there is no difference between the T28 and T95 except those numbers.  The tank started its life labeled the T28, and was later re-designated the T95 gun motor carriage.  The thing had removable outer tracks, and that is what you see with the in-game T28, which was only done when transporting the beast to fit through tunnels and bridges, not when it was supposed to go into battle.

nublex #4 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 23:32

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T28 is the original T95 before they realize they need a lot more reliable way (ie double track) to crawl through heavy fortifications. But its lower hull doesn't extent like the in game model.

Engine_of_War #5 Posted Sep 23 2011 - 23:45

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THe T28 and T95 are exactly the same machine.

the T28 has a fake front end and frontal transmission, that should honestly be removed.

the T28/95 always had 4 sets of tracks to support its massive bulk but the outer tracks were removable for long distance and narrow road travel.
there never was a prototype before it.


what the T28 in-game should be is a T95 model with the outer tracks removed. heck the WoT wiki carrys a picture that shows how fake the in-game machine is.

http://wiki.worldoft...m/File:T28a.jpg
thats what it SHOULD be.

http://en.wikipedia....uper_Heavy_Tank

Lert #6 Posted Sep 24 2011 - 01:02

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I stand corrected.

lostwingman #7 Posted Dec 05 2011 - 04:31

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View PostEngine_of_War, on Sep 23 2011 - 23:45, said:

THe T28 and T95 are exactly the same machine.

the T28 has a fake front end and frontal transmission, that should honestly be removed.

the T28/95 always had 4 sets of tracks to support its massive bulk but the outer tracks were removable for long distance and narrow road travel.
there never was a prototype before it.


what the T28 in-game should be is a T95 model with the outer tracks removed. heck the WoT wiki carrys a picture that shows how fake the in-game machine is.

http://wiki.worldoft...m/File:T28a.jpg
thats what it SHOULD be.

http://en.wikipedia....uper_Heavy_Tank
But apparently there were concept drawings!


http://img708.images...yt28concept.png



Engine_of_War #8 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 07:32

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View Postlostwingman, on Dec 05 2011 - 04:31, said:

But apparently there were concept drawings!


http://img708.images...yt28concept.png


You notice it has a Turret of sorts? maybe (big maybe) thats what the "T28 Prototype" on the full tech tree will resemble, but still the T28 (aka T95) should just take the model of the T95 chop off the outer tracks, model the suspension on the inside and drop the gun to 120 max like it is now with the current stats of armor/speed/ etc.

it would be far more accurate historically and offer better protection (frontally anyways) then the current model. allowing it to preform its role better. it would still be vulnerable from the sides, and rear (and by the size and speed to arty and anything fast)

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thetap #9 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 08:47

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So, the Prototype is likely to be a T28 with a turret? That's quite interesting!

Sealteam6 #10 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 10:44

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View PostEngine_of_War, on Sep 23 2011 - 23:45, said:

THe T28 and T95 are exactly the same machine.

the T28 has a fake front end and frontal transmission, that should honestly be removed.

the T28/95 always had 4 sets of tracks to support its massive bulk but the outer tracks were removable for long distance and narrow road travel.
there never was a prototype before it.


what the T28 in-game should be is a T95 model with the outer tracks removed. heck the WoT wiki carrys a picture that shows how fake the in-game machine is.

http://wiki.worldoft...m/File:T28a.jpg
thats what it SHOULD be.

http://en.wikipedia....uper_Heavy_Tank

This...............

Also I think it was called the T28-2 & not the T95, There is a T95 (There I go again) at the Patton Museum, I thing Originally they were going to build about 60 of them to lead the Assault on the Japanese home Islands but the Nukes put a stop to this.

thejoker91 #11 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 10:53

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http://www.wwiivehic...emovable-01.png

And there you have it with the tracks removed and next to it.

http://www.wwiivehic...emovable-02.png

Towing the tracks

Sealteam6 #12 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 13:05

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Hope this is big enough to read! This thing sits at the Patton Museum, Jokers pic is with the Track Separation for rail or Truck transport, mines of the whole package.



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Engine_of_War #13 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 16:01

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There are many "T95s" im aware including that medium tank. the T95 GMC is the T9 TD in the USA TD tree. i think the T28 Super Heavy only held the name of T95 GMC for about a year.

Still say. take a T95 GMC in-game model. chop off the outside tracks and model the correct suspension and hull. then just give it the stats of the current T28.


note: there is a T95 medium (and i think light as well) tank. but we are talking about the T95 Gun Motor Carriage/T28 Super Heavy Tank (which are one and the same machine).


Also. i bet ya that picture will be the basis for the "T28 Prototype" in teh USA Td 2nd "Turreted" tree.
bet my T95 (and soon T30) that the T28 will be holding a massive 120 gun with little armor and decent speed. but I don't know much about the "concept" T28 from that book so don't quote me.

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View PostEngine_of_War, on Dec 06 2011 - 07:32, said:

You notice it has a Turret of sorts? maybe (big maybe) thats what the "T28 Prototype" on the full tech tree will resemble, but still the T28 (aka T95) should just take the model of the T95 chop off the outer tracks, model the suspension on the inside and drop the gun to 120 max like it is now with the current stats of armor/speed/ etc.

it would be far more accurate historically and offer better protection (frontally anyways) then the current model. allowing it to preform its role better. it would still be vulnerable from the sides, and rear (and by the size and speed to arty and anything fast)

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Oh yea I'm not disagreeing with you there. The devs have taken soo many lazy and wrong design choices for American tanks it almost laughable. This is just the most pathetic of them. When a mere google images search thwarts your military specialists...it's time to get new military specialists WG.




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View Postlostwingman, on Dec 06 2011 - 19:17, said:

Oh yea I'm not disagreeing with you there. The devs have taken soo many lazy and wrong design choices for American tanks it almost laughable. This is just the most pathetic of them. When a mere google images search thwarts your military specialists...it's time to get new military specialists WG.
The devs know perfectly well that their T28 is fictional, seeing as how they designed it themselves. They already have military specialists, and they have shown good attention to detail with the US tanks for the most part. The upcoming changes to the armor layout of the T95 prove this.

Regardless, I agree that the in-game T28 is stupid. It just looks so... wrong. If you count all the viewports on the thing, it's obvious that they made it up because it has more periscopes than crew members (due to the fact that the fictional lower front hull has two on top of it). Additionally it doesn't look like the front section has enough room to house two crew members and the transmission, which it does.

The solution to the problem is really quite simple- make the T34 a tier 8 TD instead of a premium tank. If they're willing to make the T30 Heavy Tank a tank destroyer and drop it a tier, there's no reason why they could not do the same thing to the T34. But alas, they seem hell-bent on making it a premium tank and just pulling one or two more tanks on the actual tech tree out of their ass.

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View PostLert, on Sep 23 2011 - 21:30, said:

Except where they're not. The T95 is a different machine, probably an evolution of the T28 design. The hull is similar, true, but there are differences. Besides, can you really call the devs lazy if it's the american tank design comittee that didn't come out with more designs?
They're coming up with more designs, which are coming up in version 7.1, I believe. Also I think T110 and M103 will be introduced then and T30 becomes a TD.

Asyranok #17 Posted Dec 10 2011 - 19:58

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The T28 is a T95 with the outer tracks removed.

Also, the T28 has a fictional, extended lower hull added to the design.

In reality, there is only one vehicle, the T28/T95 Super Heavy Tank.

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View PostAsyranok, on Dec 10 2011 - 19:58, said:

The T28 is a T95 with the outer tracks removed.

Also, the T28 has a fictional, extended lower hull added to the design.

In reality, there is only one vehicle, the T28/T95 Super Heavy Tank.

Yep, they used to have 2 but 1 Caught fire (Must of had a bit of German in it) & was destroyed.

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View PostAsyranok, on Dec 10 2011 - 19:58, said:

The T28 is a T95 with the outer tracks removed.

Also, the T28 has a fictional, extended lower hull added to the design.

In reality, there is only one vehicle, the T28/T95 Super Heavy Tank.

T28 in the game also has VVSS suspension, unlike T95.

The Devs are open about the fact that it, and T25, are basically WoT-invented TDs. Unfortunately, the US didn't spend much time and effort mucking around with what WoT would consider Tier 7-8 TDs, so a little creative license was needed to make the tiers work.

thetap #20 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 05:06

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I actually think the in-game T28 looks pretty logical for a TD design. Very similar to JadgPanzer IV in layout/shape.

The real-life T28/T95 looks much stranger and 'out there'.




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