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Deputy276 #1 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 15:33

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I've been going down the Polish line and really enjoying them. Got to the tier 8 tech tree heavy now. I have the improved turret and best gun installed. The advice I need is how to play this tank. I played it a couple of times and the teams are so bad that I can't figure out if this is a mid-range support heavy, a close-in brawler, or something else. it seems to have very good armor. And the gun is quite good. But the teams I get put on seem to "melt away" before I can decide where and how to play it. I've been trying to follow other players that have Polish heavies of this level, but I can't seem to learn much from them. They die too quickly. So any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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GenPanzer #2 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 15:40

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I played mine as a typical heavy when top tier. And played it as a medium when not top tier. I enjoyed the 53TP a lot.

QuicksilverJPR #3 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 15:42

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It's a standard brawling HT, but you can actually side-scrape decently with it as opposed to the Russian tanks that have pike noses...

SporkBoy #4 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 16:01

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Get hull down and enjoy the bounces. Make that alpha work for you.

Deputy276 #5 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 16:21

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Thanks guys. Really appreciate the advice! 

TankFullOfBourbon #6 Posted Jul 16 2019 - 18:27

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Against lower tier you can really dominate the game and bare the brunt of the attack. Against higher tier your armor wont hold up you have to be a support heavy, behind the big boys, or play your 53TP as a heavy medium.

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I saw a lot of similarity in playstyle between the IS-3 and the 53TP. In my humble and very average opinion: it's essentially an IS-3 without a pike nose. Good all-arounder with a decent enough gun to support against tier X vehicle; very comfortable to hulldown behind a pile of rubble in Tank Alley on himmelsdorf.



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View PostDomoSapien, on Jul 16 2019 - 13:58, said:

I saw a lot of similarity in playstyle between the IS-3 and the 53TP. In my humble and very average opinion: it's essentially an IS-3 without a pike nose. Good all-arounder with a decent enough gun to support against tier X vehicle; very comfortable to hulldown behind a pile of rubble in Tank Alley on himmelsdorf.

 

That's pretty much how I feel about it Domo.  Good tank, good mobility, enough gun depression to be dangerous, and squishy in parts like the IS3 (but trolling in others)...



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I actually ran the awful knock-off russian mid gun using apcr and HE until I unlocked the last gun. Just so it wouldn't be immediately obvious that I was running the stock gun. It's so stubby...

And yes, IS-3 without a pike nose, love the tank.

 



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I LOVE the 53TP. IT's actually better than the Defender in many aspects. the gun loads 2 seconds faster, thus the DPM is WAY higher. The standard rounds are really good. You can punch through the front armor of any Tier VIII, and it can stand up to Tier IX and X. I guess the armor is pretty good. People are comparing it to the IS-3, but since I don't have the IS-3, I can't really say.

But the #1 thing I like is the HE rounds. WOW. They are devastating. You can easily do 200-300 hp in damage without penetrating. That's just sick.



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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 16 2019 - 14:33, said:

I've been going down the Polish line and really enjoying them. Got to the tier 8 tech tree heavy now. I have the improved turret and best gun installed. The advice I need is how to play this tank. I played it a couple of times and the teams are so bad that I can't figure out if this is a mid-range support heavy, a close-in brawler, or something else. it seems to have very good armor. And the gun is quite good. But the teams I get put on seem to "melt away" before I can decide where and how to play it. I've been trying to follow other players that have Polish heavies of this level, but I can't seem to learn much from them. They die too quickly. So any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Here's my review on that tank.

 

Guido

 



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I've got the tier 9 in the line and I can tell you this much....

 

You can hulldown very well in it but the front of the hull is paper to most of the shells coming your way. Reverse sidescraping works well too, and the mobility's actually pretty good despite the low top speed.

 

You're also actually heavier than you look- fully upgraded you're close to the tier 10's weight. Ramming is an option, provided you have some time to build up speed.

 

The standard shell penetration is good as well, and hits like a truck- out of all the non-premium tier 8 heavies, there is exactly one that hits harder with similar pen, and that's the VK 100, which we all know is rather strong for the tier.

 

Do not DPM fight; bait and trade. Your armor is reliable but not godlike. If you're mid/bottom tier, pick a heavy tank buddy and support them. Don't sit directly behind them either- find a position close by that has line of sight where they do and if you can't pen the target, blow off their tracks and duck back. Feel free to carry a small amount of HE shells for this; you have a reasonable shell capacity. 3 or 4 should do.



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View PostGuido1212, on Jul 17 2019 - 06:44, said:

 

Here's my review on that tank.

 

Guido

 

Thanks again to everyone for the help. Agree with you Guido 100% on that middle gun. Just a waste of XP. I have been finding that the armor is quite decent. Not spectacular, but I am getting more than average bounces with it. The best gun works great. Really like it a lot. I also have the 50TP Proto, and it's interesting to compare them. They are very close in performance. I really have to hold back from charging forward with either tank. That big gun makes it tempting to whack stuff around, but it just doesn't work against tier 9-10. Fortunately, the new MM gives me a lot of all tier 8 games. That helps a lot in familiarization with the tanks. Guido, can you tell me how skilled the crews are on your Marko?  I am at 59% on my third skill with the Marko. And yes, I have BiA on it. On the 50TP, I am at 65% on my second skill. I am using that crew to train for the tier 9 tank. 


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Deputy276 #14 Posted Jul 24 2019 - 00:22

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Well some things I have found out about playing the 53 Marko as well as the 50TP Proto. #1 WG has decided to give them pretty much ZERO armor. #2 They are VERY "map dependent".  Meaning every [Edited] time I need a hull down map, I DON'T get it. #3 not only are they inferior to the Defender, they are inferior to the IS-3 too...in both guns AND armor. #4 No matter what other tanks are available to shoot, the enemy arty always concentrates on you. Fire your gun and you dang sure better keep moving, even if you think you are in an "arty proof" location. Because once arty spots you, they are gonna focus fire big time on you, and keep looking for you even if you aren't spotted. #5 Something I've noticed when playing with tier 9-10 tanks on my team...they expect you to go scout for the enemy. So I have taken to doing the same thing tier 9-10 heavies do...stay at spawn and keep moving my turret back and forth. Or hide behind a big rock until things have sorted out,. #6 The guns on these two heavies are sadly lacking in penetration. Maybe WG is making up for giving spectacular pen for the Polish tier 6 and 7 tanks, because even spamming APCR has little effect most of the time. Even if the aiming indicator is green, I get lots bounces. #7 Angling both tanks is a waste of time. You get penned no matter what. #8 Good luck waiting to be top tier. Best you can hope for is to be all tier 8. Then you better pray the enemy has French heavies, because if they are loaded with IS-3s and Defenders, your goose is cooked. 

Sooooo...I am grinding my testes off to get to the tier 9 50TP Tyszkiewicza and actually get a gun with some penetration. But don't ask me to pronounce that name! :D


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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 19 2019 - 15:10, said:

Thanks again to everyone for the help. Agree with you Guido 100% on that middle gun. Just a waste of XP. I have been finding that the armor is quite decent. Not spectacular, but I am getting more than average bounces with it. The best gun works great. Really like it a lot. I also have the 50TP Proto, and it's interesting to compare them. They are very close in performance. I really have to hold back from charging forward with either tank. That big gun makes it tempting to whack stuff around, but it just doesn't work against tier 9-10. Fortunately, the new MM gives me a lot of all tier 8 games. That helps a lot in familiarization with the tanks. Guido, can you tell me how skilled the crews are on your Marko?  I am at 59% on my third skill with the Marko. And yes, I have BiA on it. On the 50TP, I am at 65% on my second skill. I am using that crew to train for the tier 9 tank. 

As I recall they were about 2 skill at that point.  I ground that line from tier 4 I think and took the crew from about the 5 onward.  Might be able to see the crew in the video unless I’d already moved them to the 9.



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View PostGuido1212, on Jul 23 2019 - 19:02, said:

As I recall they were about 2 skill at that point.  I ground that line from tier 4 I think and took the crew from about the 5 onward.  Might be able to see the crew in the video unless I’d already moved them to the 9.

 

I used my pretty winter girls from tier 7 & up.  :teethhappy:



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View PostDomoSapien, on Jul 16 2019 - 12:58, said:

I saw a lot of similarity in playstyle between the IS-3 and the 53TP. In my humble and very average opinion: it's essentially an IS-3 without a pike nose. Good all-arounder with a decent enough gun to support against tier X vehicle; very comfortable to hulldown behind a pile of rubble in Tank Alley on himmelsdorf.

 

This but she doesnt have the gun. THe penetration is lacking for most well armored tier 10's even with gold loaded. If there's a lot of armor and you dont feel like slinging gold everywhere you may be better off bullying the higher tier tanks softer friends. . Just look for anywhere you can just poke your turret out and blap soft targets.



Deputy276 #18 Posted Jul 25 2019 - 00:53

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View Post_Bagheera_, on Jul 24 2019 - 12:56, said:

 

This but she doesnt have the gun. THe penetration is lacking for most well armored tier 10's even with gold loaded. If there's a lot of armor and you dont feel like slinging gold everywhere you may be better off bullying the higher tier tanks softer friends. . Just look for anywhere you can just poke your turret out and blap soft targets.

This is what I have been doing now. Thanks for that advice. I feel like a "fool-in-a-heavy" sneaking around trying to find something with weak skin to damage. It's been ingrained into me that heavies are supposed to fight heavies. And you can imagine the nasty stuff said in chat about me. :D But I'm not turning off chat. There are times when it is useful.

I think my biggest problem is that I have been so used to my SU-130PU. All I have to do with that thing is point my gun almost anywhere on the enemy tank and do major damage. I only carry one HEAT round in it and it is all rusty and dusty from never using it. Thank goodness that TD is a Prem tank, because I have no doubt WG would quickly nerf the gun. 

 

Back to the Polish Princes...am I making a mistake grinding for the tier 9 version? I am surprised how reasonable it is XP-wise (106,700). I certainly like the pen for it's best gun. :)


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The tier 9 is the first tank on that line that actually gets a decent penetration value for its tier...and I HAVE seen that gun high roll for 700 damage. I respect that things 130mm at all times because if it goes in its gonna hurt. Bad. Im keeping that one and the 10. Not keeping the 8 most likely because of the bad pen. Unless somehow it grows on me.

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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 25 2019 - 00:53, said:

Back to the Polish Princes...am I making a mistake grinding for the tier 9 version? I am surprised how reasonable it is XP-wise (106,700). I certainly like the pen for it's best gun. :)

 

The tier 9 is along with the tier 7 the best tank of the line. The 50TP is solid banana out of 10. 






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