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Bad_Oedipus #1 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 18:33

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Just a few observations after conclusion of Fire Tail Trail.

 

Save of Ensk and other city maps, teams without at least one of these were not likely to win.  

 

One of the top teams had an EBR trap, where about 10 of them were waiting for me... I got hit by 5 shots almost all at the same time, hit 3 button, escaped with more than 1/2 of my tanks left...

 

We run into an old 15 Batchat trick twice in a row (different teams).  Our EBR located them before they got close, we adjusted and crushed them...

 

I suspect EBR will be nerfed at some pint, cause no one is using T-100 LT and that's against the spirit of the game.

 

 



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How is that against the spirit of the game

Bad_Oedipus #3 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 18:50

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View Postwangosaurusrex, on Jul 17 2019 - 12:48, said:

How is that against the spirit of the game

Russian bias 



AnArmyofBun #4 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 18:54

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View PostBad_Oedipus, on Jul 17 2019 - 10:33, said:

Just a few observations after conclusion of Fire Tail Trail.

 

Save of Ensk and other city maps, teams without at least one of these were not likely to win.  

 

One of the top teams had an EBR trap, where about 10 of them were waiting for me... I got hit by 5 shots almost all at the same time, hit 3 button, escaped with more than 1/2 of my tanks left...

 

We run into an old 15 Batchat trick twice in a row (different teams).  Our EBR located them before they got close, we adjusted and crushed them...

 

I suspect EBR will be nerfed at some pint, cause no one is using T-100 LT and that's against the spirit of the game.

 

 

 

..10 EBR's sounds like the worst idea ever in Clam Wars..and 15 batchats also sounds horrible.



Roggg2 #5 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 18:57

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View PostBad_Oedipus, on Jul 17 2019 - 12:33, said:

Just a few observations after conclusion of Fire Tail Trail.

 

Save of Ensk and other city maps, teams without at least one of these were not likely to win.  

 

One of the top teams had an EBR trap, where about 10 of them were waiting for me... I got hit by 5 shots almost all at the same time, hit 3 button, escaped with more than 1/2 of my tanks left...

 

We run into an old 15 Batchat trick twice in a row (different teams).  Our EBR located them before they got close, we adjusted and crushed them...

 

I suspect EBR will be nerfed at some pint, cause no one is using T-100 LT and that's against the spirit of the game.

 

 

I played t100lt a bit.  I ran into some on other teams too.  Often on good teams.  I watched some twitch streamers on good clans streaming clan wars, and saw t100lts used.  EBR seems like a goto, but it's not the only light tank in use.



_mlg_taco_fire_ #6 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 19:15

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and who used this 15 BC tactic exactly?

AnArmyofBun #7 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 19:33

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View Post_mlg_taco_fire_, on Jul 17 2019 - 11:15, said:

and who used this 15 BC tactic exactly?


I mean it sounds hilarious.



GeorgePreddy #8 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 19:34

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I believe the "spirit of the game" in CW is to use the best tanks available to the caller considering his strat for any particular map and foe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View Post_mlg_taco_fire_, on Jul 17 2019 - 13:15, said:

and who used this 15 BC tactic exactly?


Probably someone with trips needing to get out of that battle in like 2 minutes for the next.



bgmp14 #10 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 20:15

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View Post_mlg_taco_fire_, on Jul 17 2019 - 19:15, said:

and who used this 15 BC tactic exactly?

 

I've seen KOPM2 do this on RU for fun.



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View PostRoggg2, on Jul 17 2019 - 12:57, said:

I played t100lt a bit.  I ran into some on other teams too.  Often on good teams.  I watched some twitch streamers on good clans streaming clan wars, and saw t100lts used.  EBR seems like a goto, but it's not the only light tank in use.

 

And the EBR is not always the best choice. There are plenty of maps that the TL or WZ would be more viable options but many callers think the EBR is god like and prefer to only run them. I have every tier 10 light (except the Sheridan which I have researched) and honestly I've been in quite a few Advances and CW where the callers demanded the EBR over the LT where I know the LT would have been a better choice.

 


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View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Jul 17 2019 - 12:20, said:

 

And the EBR is not always the best choice. There are plenty of maps that the TL or WZ would be more viable options but many callers think the EBR is god like and prefer to only run them. I have every tier 10 light (except the Sheridan which I have researched) and honestly I've been in quite a few Advances and CW where the callers demanded the EBR over the LT where I know the LT would have been a better choice.

 

 

We ran 2x EBR + 1 T100 LT on some maps, 3x EBR on others.  The EBR is god because it's extremely fast and small.  The EBR does what the T-100 LT does at late game but better.  It gets to cap faster.  It hunts arty faster.  It breaches a flank faster.  It digs out a nest faster.  It's just..Faster. 

 

For spotting passive?  Of course take a T-100 LT if that's what the map calls for.  Otherwise I don't personally see a reason not to use an EBR. 

 

Sourse: I played EBR for more than half of my campaign game picks.



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View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Jul 17 2019 - 14:20, said:

 

And the EBR is not always the best choice. There are plenty of maps that the TL or WZ would be more viable options but many callers think the EBR is god like and prefer to only run them. I have every tier 10 light (except the Sheridan which I have researched) and honestly I've been in quite a few Advances and CW where the callers demanded the EBR over the LT where I know the LT would have been a better choice.

 



A properly played EBR will out perform a properly played t-100 in nearly every scenario (There could be a super niche reason to use a t-100, like a very specific passive bush that you can get to immediately) but tbh I can't think of one).  The issues are thus, the vision/camo difference is nominal, which since the EBR is moving is essentially no difference with human reaction speed (No really, go into training room and check it if you take an EBR and a t100 on proke A1 and A0 bushes and drive at each other).  The EBR however, will catch the t100 on the t100's side of the map before it can get into the position it wants to passive (again unless its some niche place) in most scenarios.  On top of this the programming of the wheels of the EBR compared to the tracks on the t100 is vastly better for the EBR.  Those wheels will eat shots tracks never would, and without stopping the tank.  Additionally the gun on the EBR is going to outperform the t100 in any active movement.

The other lights aren't even close.  You'd never run a WZ so thats just plain ridiculous (you'd either run a scout or a medium, not a scout pretending to be a medium) and you'd only run a sheridan on Mines specifically to lead/block for a hill push.  Anything beyond that we're talking SOOOO niche that its irrelevant when talking generically.

Now if you need lights and you only have 2 EBRs and a t-100 sure, thats not awful etc.



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View PostFunPolice_, on Jul 17 2019 - 12:32, said:



A properly played EBR will out perform a properly played t-100 in nearly every scenario (There could be a super niche reason to use a t-100, like a very specific passive bush that you can get to immediately) but tbh I can't think of one).  The issues are thus, the vision/camo difference is nominal, which since the EBR is moving is essentially no difference with human reaction speed (No really, go into training room and check it if you take an EBR and a t100 on proke A1 and A0 bushes and drive at each other).  The EBR however, will catch the t100 on the t100's side of the map before it can get into the position it wants to passive (again unless its some niche place) in most scenarios.  On top of this the programming of the wheels of the EBR compared to the tracks on the t100 is vastly better for the EBR.  Those wheels will eat shots tracks never would, and without stopping the tank.  Additionally the gun on the EBR is going to outperform the t100 in any active movement.

The other lights aren't even close.  You'd never run a WZ so thats just plain ridiculous (you'd either run a scout or a medium, not a scout pretending to be a medium) and you'd only run a sheridan on Mines specifically to lead/block for a hill push.  Anything beyond that we're talking SOOOO niche that its irrelevant when talking generically.

Now if you need lights and you only have 2 EBRs and a t-100 sure, thats not awful etc.

 

True facts.



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You should be able to one shot ebr

 



Bad_Oedipus #16 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 20:49

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EBR is used because it doesn't get tracked (though possible in theory).  That make it a superior active scout.  I run my with Experimental optics, optics calibration, and all vision skills.  There is no better active scout in the game.

 

 



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View Postphilb990, on Jul 17 2019 - 20:45, said:

You should be able to one shot ebr

 

for truth, instead it takes like 4 or 5... after you miss like 15 times



AnArmyofBun #18 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 21:24

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View PostCopacetic, on Jul 17 2019 - 13:20, said:

for truth, instead it takes like 4 or 5... after you miss like 15 times

 

So just make them useless with arty HP?  Cool idea.  No.



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There's no point in tracked scouts these days. Nostalgia maybe.

Mad_Dog_Seabee #20 Posted Jul 17 2019 - 21:58

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View Post_mlg_taco_fire_, on Jul 17 2019 - 11:15, said:

and who used this 15 BC tactic exactly?

Saying who it is would technically be Name and Shame.






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