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Jasper_Seven #1 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 05:34

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I've been hanging on to my IS4 for a long time now.  I got it long ago when I naively thought the paper stats mattered.

 

So, being the average player that I am, I thought I'd test it out a bit.

 

Obvious to everyone but WG the stupid plate above the gun makes no sense - according to Tanks gg, despite being angled at like 2 degrees, anything in the world can pen it. I'd say this requires a fix to a mistake made from long ago.

 

But, if nothing else changed except increasing the shell velocity dramatically, that alone could make this tank have its own place.

 

Other tanks have been added that fill in roles that the IS4 might have been modified to.

 

This would be such an easy thing for the devs to do a quick play test on their own...

 



Blocksupstudios #2 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 05:36

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i believe that in the one of the recent reddit AMAs, the devs said that there won't be any balance changes to the IS-4 until the sandbox balance changes are successful/done

tanopasman62 #3 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 06:51

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They should give it better DPM and gun handling, the reload is too slow for 440 alpha.

JakeTheMystic #4 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 08:22

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View Posttanopasman62, on Jul 30 2019 - 20:51, said:

They should give it better DPM and gun handling, the reload is too slow for 440 alpha.

 

The reload gets down to 9.9 with BIA and equipment, the 260 gets the same alpha with a 8.73 reload (thats with bonded equipment for me)

 

That's really not that much of a difference considering the 260 is a reward tank and the IS-4 has incredibly troll armor. Personally, I'd rather be in an IS-7 or IS-4 most of the time for pubs just because its easier to side scrape and more reliable frontal armor than something like a 277 *barf* or the 260. 

 



tanopasman62 #5 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 08:43

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 31 2019 - 08:22, said:

 

The reload gets down to 9.9 with BIA and equipment, the 260 gets the same alpha with a 8.73 reload (thats with bonded equipment for me)

 

That's really not that much of a difference considering the 260 is a reward tank and the IS-4 has incredibly troll armor. Personally, I'd rather be in an IS-7 or IS-4 most of the time for pubs just because its easier to side scrape and more reliable frontal armor than something like a 277 *barf* or the 260. 

 

 

2.2k base DPM is a joke at tier 10 when other heavies get 2,6-2.8k, most of the time with other extras the IS-4 doesn't get, I mean that.

 

Although yes, armor can troll a lot from time to time, at least since I figured out how to play it.



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View Posttanopasman62, on Jul 30 2019 - 22:43, said:

 

2.2k base DPM is a joke at tier 10 when other heavies get 2,6-2.8k, most of the time with other extras the IS-4 doesn't get, I mean that.

 

Although yes, armor can troll a lot from time to time, at least since I figured out how to play it.

 

But when you compare it to other heavies of the tier running the same equipment with the same crews, its not the lowest DPM of the russian heavies. 

 

I've got them in this order from highest dpm to lowest:

1.) Obj 260 (bonded vents & rammer) - 3023

2.) Obj 277 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2899

3.) IS-4 - 2685

4.) IS-7 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2645

5.) Obj 705A - 2610

 

So even though the IS-7 has bonded vents and rammer, its only slightly better than the 705A and even worse than the IS-4, so I don't see how you can make a point about the IS-4 having abysmal DPM. I've played the IS-4 on a sheriff account along with every other tier 10 in the game and I'd say the IS-4 is in the lower half for sure, but it's nowhere near being a bad tank.

 

If anything, it could use slightly better gun handling/aim time, but even that would make it a stretch. 



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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 31 2019 - 19:58, said:

 

But when you compare it to other heavies of the tier running the same equipment with the same crews, its not the lowest DPM of the russian heavies. 

 

I've got them in this order from highest dpm to lowest:

1.) Obj 260 (bonded vents & rammer) - 3023

2.) Obj 277 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2899

3.) IS-4 - 2685

4.) IS-7 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2645

5.) Obj 705A - 2610

 

So even though the IS-7 has bonded vents and rammer, its only slightly better than the 705A and even worse than the IS-4, so I don't see how you can make a point about the IS-4 having abysmal DPM. I've played the IS-4 on a sheriff account along with every other tier 10 in the game and I'd say the IS-4 is in the lower half for sure, but it's nowhere near being a bad tank.

 

If anything, it could use slightly better gun handling/aim time, but even that would make it a stretch. 

 

the IS7 might not have as good DPM, but its better at applying it. you can get into position and shoot earlier than the IS4, which is more useful considering how the IS4 is not a soviet maus that can just bunker down at the end of a lane and soak up a huge amount of punishment.

 

just a better buff would be to turn the 30mm roof into 50mm and give it far more HP. then at least it can be kind of like the soviet armoured heavy line that its supposed to be.


Edited by Firemoth, Jul 31 2019 - 12:21.


tanopasman62 #8 Posted Aug 02 2019 - 01:30

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 31 2019 - 10:58, said:

 

But when you compare it to other heavies of the tier running the same equipment with the same crews, its not the lowest DPM of the russian heavies. 

 

I've got them in this order from highest dpm to lowest:

1.) Obj 260 (bonded vents & rammer) - 3023

2.) Obj 277 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2899

3.) IS-4 - 2685

4.) IS-7 (bonded vents & rammer) - 2645

5.) Obj 705A - 2610

 

So even though the IS-7 has bonded vents and rammer, its only slightly better than the 705A and even worse than the IS-4, so I don't see how you can make a point about the IS-4 having abysmal DPM. I've played the IS-4 on a sheriff account along with every other tier 10 in the game and I'd say the IS-4 is in the lower half for sure, but it's nowhere near being a bad tank.

 

If anything, it could use slightly better gun handling/aim time, but even that would make it a stretch. 

 

I have learned to enjoy mine, so I do agree that it's not bad, I do think it needs better handling/DPM simply to give it something to compare against the other two tech tree heavies.

 

705A has less DPM, yes, but far better alpha and a stronger front armor, IS-7 also has better alpha and it's considerably more mobile, so it can get to spot and start shooting before the IS-4, all of that while retaining some solid armor.



General_Greg101 #9 Posted Aug 02 2019 - 02:12

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    The IS-4 definitely needs work. The turret roof needs repair above all. It is only 30mm, and it wouldn't have been a problem had the over match mechanic changes WG was working on at the time had been implemented. However, the changes to over match were not implemented, and the turret was not adjusted. Such is why I call it a repair, and not a buff. It's legit broken. 

 

The IS-4 also, could use some better mobility. It's too slow for what it is. I mean compared to the IS-7, and the 277 the IS-4 feels like the E100.

 

 



DerJager #10 Posted Aug 03 2019 - 07:54

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I vote the IS-4 wait until the entire German tree is rebalanced.




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