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Panzerjager72 #1 Posted Aug 11 2019 - 23:39

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I've noticed a flood of players lately who have no idea what to do at tier 8 causing 1-15 steamrolls for teams. It's making your already crap MM even worse. 

 

What you are doing essentially is putting Little League Baseball players in Minor League play. 

 

Have some kind of system where they have to do certain missions to learn their tanks or rating before they can progress to the next level. 

 

I made the same mistake when I was given a Tier 8 Premium tank that I had no business playing in tier 8 battles.



Slone #2 Posted Aug 11 2019 - 23:57

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So, as a business, WG should tell a customer 'NO, you are not allowed to give us $50'? You think this is a good idea? You think this is a good way to run a business?

 

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MapleOne #3 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 00:07

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Or maybe stop being a cry baby....

cmgoku #4 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 00:15

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This has been going for a while and as long as baddies have credit cards, Paypal, whatever they'll keep selling to whoever.  Bigger server populations (RU, EU) can absorb terrible players in higher tiers with no real effect but NA with its smaller playerbase will continue to endure hopeless blowouts til player frustration forces even the prime time population to dwindle away... face it NA is small potatoes.

Blocksupstudios #5 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 00:23

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seeing players with tier 7-8 premium tanks but only have 500-1,500 battles in total on their account really annoy me. but then again, they're trying to have fun, even if they're more of a liability than a reliability 

Pipinghot #6 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:01

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View PostPanzerjager72, on Aug 11 2019 - 17:39, said:

I've noticed a flood of players lately who have no idea what to do at tier 8 causing

2011 just called, they want you to stop stealing their complains about Tier VIII premium tanks.

 

Translation: What you want will never happen, it's been part of the game since the very beginning.

View PostPanzerjager72, on Aug 11 2019 - 17:39, said:

causing 1-15 steamrolls for teams.

No. Player skill doesn't cause steamrolls, the fact that this game is single-death-per-battle causes steamrolls, at every tier, regardless of player skill.

View PostPanzerjager72, on Aug 11 2019 - 17:39, said:

It's making your already crap MM even worse. 

Random = random. If you don't understand that it's your issue.



thandiflight #7 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:03

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There are players out there with 100k battles who are worse than some of these new players. Should Wargaming not sell them tanks either? Bad players aren't limited to low tiers. They inhabit all tiers and their degree of "badness" may not be related to their experience.

Panzerjager72 #8 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:07

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View PostSlone, on Aug 11 2019 - 17:57, said:

So, as a business, WG should tell a customer 'NO, you are not allowed to give us $50'? You think this is a good idea? You think this is a good way to run a business?

 

:facepalm:

 

I'm not saying my solution is perfect. 



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View PostPanzerjager72, on Aug 11 2019 - 16:39, said:

I've noticed a flood of players lately who have no idea what to do at tier 8 causing 1-15 steamrolls for teams. It's making your already crap MM even worse. 

 

What you are doing essentially is putting Little League Baseball players in Minor League play. 

 

Have some kind of system where they have to do certain missions to learn their tanks or rating before they can progress to the next level. 

 

I made the same mistake when I was given a Tier 8 Premium tank that I had no business playing in tier 8 battles.

there are no new players deluded yuh go storm area 51



the_dude_76 #10 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:16

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View PostPipinghot, on Aug 11 2019 - 18:01, said:

 

No. Player skill doesn't cause steamrolls, the fact that this game is single-death-per-battle causes steamrolls, at every tier, regardless of player skill.

 

 

Unskilled players are more likely to die early than are skilled players (no honest person can deny this painfully obvious fact)  Thus the more unskilled players on a team the more likely that team is going to lose players early and start the steamroll. This doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. It's not some bizarre coincidence that grossly mismatched battles go to the better team the vast majority of the time.



SquishySupreme #11 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:16

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You can always play T5 or a T6 and avoid most of the fools.  If you play T9-T10, most T8s are irrelevant anyways.

Gothraul #12 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:26

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Worse still there are hordes of people who have failed their way up there after many thousands of battles with bot level performance in great numbers, can carry three to five of them in a sky cancer and still lose much less in anything else.

VooDooKobra #13 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:45

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View PostGothraul, on Aug 11 2019 - 17:26, said:

Worse still there are hordes of people who have failed their way up there after many thousands of battles with bot level performance in great numbers, can carry three to five of them in a sky cancer and still lose much less in anything else.

since no pvp game  will ever put in skill blocks to stop players from advancing, this is what you get when you have an xp based system of advancement



Harvester_0f_Sorrow #14 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 01:59

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View PostPanzerjager72, on Aug 11 2019 - 14:39, said:

I've noticed a flood of players lately who have no idea what to do at tier 8 causing 1-15 steamrolls for teams. It's making your already crap MM even worse.

 

What you are doing essentially is putting Little League Baseball players in Minor League play.

 

Have some kind of system where they have to do certain missions to learn their tanks or rating before they can progress to the next level.

 

I made the same mistake when I was given a Tier 8 Premium tank that I had no business playing in tier 8 battles.

But that's how the unicums have such high stats!!! WG would never do that



JakeTheMystic #15 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 02:03

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View PostSlone, on Aug 11 2019 - 13:57, said:

So, as a business, WG should tell a customer 'NO, you are not allowed to give us $50'? You think this is a good idea? You think this is a good way to run a business?

 

:facepalm:

 

Its a good way to keep veteran players around and keep the game alive for long-term. 

 

Sure they can make a quick buck by selling the newest and greatest OP premium, but they are going to get diminishing returns when all of the better players leave and find a better game to play. 



VooDooKobra #16 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 02:16

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Aug 11 2019 - 18:03, said:

 

Its a good way to keep veteran players around and keep the game alive for long-term. 

 

Sure they can make a quick buck by selling the newest and greatest OP premium, but they are going to get diminishing returns when all of the better players leave and find a better game to play. 

how do you close that gate now especially when you could get a pre order tank that was tier 8



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View PostSlone, on Aug 11 2019 - 23:57, said:

So, as a business, WG should tell a customer 'NO, you are not allowed to give us $50'? You think this is a good idea? You think this is a good way to run a business?

 

:facepalm:

Is it a good idea for WG to force another paying customer to sit next to the bum off the street who hasn't showered in 3 months?



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View PostPipinghot, on Aug 12 2019 - 01:01, said:

2011 just called, they want you to stop stealing their complains about Tier VIII premium tanks.

 

Translation: What you want will never happen, it's been part of the game since the very beginning.

No. Player skill doesn't cause steamrolls, the fact that this game is single-death-per-battle causes steamrolls, at every tier, regardless of player skill.

Random = random. If you don't understand that it's your issue.

There weren't tier 8 premiums in 2011.  Maybe you should get your facts straight when you're trying to be a snarky jerk.



VooDooKobra #19 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 02:44

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View PostRHeadshot, on Aug 11 2019 - 18:18, said:

There weren't tier 8 premiums in 2011.  Maybe you should get your facts straight when you're trying to be a snarky jerk.

 the lowe, the kv5, the T34, the type 59 (until patch 7.2) disagree with that statement and for funzies lets throw in the mutant


Edited by VooDooKobra, Aug 12 2019 - 02:45.


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View PostRHeadshot, on Aug 11 2019 - 20:18, said:

There weren't tier 8 premiums in 2011.  Maybe you should get your facts straight when you're trying to be a snarky jerk.

I seem to remember there being a Lowe and, in fact, it was used when CW first started cause many people didn't have tier 10s yet. I'm pretty sure I had one.

View PostVooDooKobra, on Aug 11 2019 - 20:44, said:

 the lowe, the kv5, the T34, the type 59 (until patch 7.2) disagree with that statement and for funzies lets throw in the mutant

 Oh and all of those too except the T34 which I don't think was added as a premium until WG redid the american heavy line. Don't be too hard on him. He's from way back in 2018. 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Hellsfog, Aug 12 2019 - 02:55.





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