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kapri25 #41 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 09:30

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Again, played the Manticore on the test server and by the time I got an idea on how to push the tank I kept getting reminded of the M3 Lee with it. It just doesn't feel like a light. It doesn't have that same maneuverability as a light does. It can be a good fast medium but a light...I cannot see it. The ammo count is the biggest problem for me. I do not know how many it goes up to now but when I pushed it it was at 14 rounds...

 

View PostAnArmyofBun, on Aug 17 2019 - 03:12, said:

 

My question is. Why the blatant lies about them?  Their alpha isn’t high. It’s lower or even. The pen is good. But the DPM is abysmal. Why the tier 10 doesn’t have 420 alpha I just don’t know. 

 

If they had 220 - 320 - 390 - 420 it would have been true. But. It isn’t. It just isn’t. That would warrant the reload at least.  Don’t take my numbers as gospel I don’t know if that would work.   Maybe the tier seven should have 190-200. 

 

I'd would have to agree with this. But in another way. Look at the tank and then look at the gun. This is a heavy tank gun on a light tank. Doing the alpha damage of a heavy tank. I can imagine the force of that tank firing in real life and damage the tank ring and turret systems. Not complaining about that but it makes you wonder.



TinManSmith #42 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 09:31

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View Post24cups, on Aug 12 2019 - 12:04, said:

Before they came out all the reviews said that they sucked.
Now people grind them and come here to complain that, guess what, they suck.

Just don't play them. Maybe WG will get the message.

Exactly



AnArmyofBun #43 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 09:34

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View Postkapri25, on Aug 17 2019 - 01:30, said:

Again, played the Manticore on the test server and by the time I got an idea on how to push the tank I kept getting reminded of the M3 Lee with it. It just doesn't feel like a light. It doesn't have that same maneuverability as a light does. It can be a good fast medium but a light...I cannot see it. The ammo count is the biggest problem for me. I do not know how many it goes up to now but when I pushed it it was at 14 rounds...

 

 

I'd would have to agree with this. But in another way. Look at the tank and then look at the gun. This is a heavy tank gun on a light tank. Doing the alpha damage of a heavy tank. I can imagine the force of that tank firing in real life and damage the tank ring and turret systems. Not complaining about that but it makes you wonder.

Yeah but the only tier ten lights that don’t have 390 alpha are the t100 lt and the panzerwagon. 

 

Every other light tank has 390. There is no defending wargaming telling us they have high alpha. No. They have average and below average alpha with horrific dpm. 



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View PostAnArmyofBun, on Aug 17 2019 - 03:34, said:

Yeah but the only tier ten lights that don’t have 390 alpha are the t100 lt and the panzerwagon. 

 

Every other light tank has 390. There is no defending wargaming telling us they have high alpha. No. They have average and below average alpha with horrific dpm. 

 

Let me ask you this. Does the Manticore suffer from perpetual low rolls? I know there was a time that it was going around that the T95 had done the same thing...wasn't big but I did hear a couple of Youtubers remark about that. Alpha is supposed to be 750 but it would always be less at the time. I believe WG has a mechanic that if you pen but in certain places it can negate some damage. I have seen it to much to deny it but cannot give outright proof towards it. So...could this be a bug where the Manitcore has a perpetual low roll problem? I am not trying to defend WG but I do know that whenever they introduce something there is going to be a problem. Probably run up the line to see about the issues...not looking forward to it...



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I just have to say I think it's funny that Wargaming, in August of 2019, finally gives a care about power creep. I think it's about too late for them to care and I think they completely missed the boat with this release. Five years ago there was only one person thinking about power creep but he was right.  Now we have in an unbalanced mess, no, an unbalanced catastrophe!

I_QQ_4_U #46 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 12:14

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That reminds me of the uber bench on Windstorm, think there was 4 or 6 of them and all but one could be destroyed but one would stop a Maus dead in it's tracks.

Guido1212 #47 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 18:40

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View PostCopacetic, on Aug 12 2019 - 16:02, said:

How does the t8 compare to even 90?

 

It’s better, but they play very similarly in regards to using size and Camo.  Obviously the Even has an auto loader so it has a few different options at times regarding finishing moves.



ChatBan_ChatOff #48 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 18:51

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You all do know if these had been soviet they would have been amazing.

 

You would think the soviets would toss them a bone.....after all they gave the soviets the nene and allowed the North Koreans and soviets to kill so many UN troops.



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I think +10 VR and +1-3 base camo on all of them would make them a bit more unique and more like what WG wanted them to be. Or actually give them high alpha. What they have now is average or below average. 

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View PostRC_1140, on Aug 17 2019 - 20:44, said:

Or actually give them high alpha. What they have now is average or below average. 

 

 

Given that they're described as having high alpha that makes the most sense, would make having long reloads and low ammo count make a bit more sense.



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View PostRC_1140, on Aug 17 2019 - 19:44, said:

I think +10 VR and +1-3 base camo on all of them would make them a bit more unique and more like what WG wanted them to be. Or actually give them high alpha. What they have now is average or below average. 

 

they make the stupid game....they know what they want them to be and we see it right now.......they will only change them if people quit playing them.....and this is why arty will never change.



ArcticTankHunter #52 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 23:42

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WG lies on big alpha. If they weren't so freaking slow, it would be playable. The other problem is that wheelies have more camo than these LT and they are way shorter. This makes no sense. WG either give it big alpha by buffing all the damage or give it RoF so it can deal with wheelies that come crashing in. This can even fight the french LT autoloaders 1 v 1 and french LT can basically ram these things to death due to terrible speed and traverse.

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Aug 17 2019 - 21:03, said:

 

 

Given that they're described as having high alpha that makes the most sense, would make having long reloads and low ammo count make a bit more sense.


Leopard 1 says no when it comes to Manticore high alpha. freaking amx 13 105 can clip it to death and ram it.



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View PostJollyGrim, on Aug 12 2019 - 06:00, said:

item #50,423 of things that make the British LT's bad  -  the inability to knock down a destructible fence.......but wait there's more!...

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainyGiftedDogePraiseIt

 

:facepalm:

 


Well, he DID knock down the WALL, but then he turned sideways, continued to drive himself up the undamaged part of the wall and onto his side. It was a wall, not a fence.



JollyGrim #55 Posted Aug 18 2019 - 19:28

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View PostWilly55_1955, on Aug 18 2019 - 08:39, said:


Well, he DID knock down the WALL, but then he turned sideways, continued to drive himself up the undamaged part of the wall and onto his side. It was a wall, not a fence.

 

 



EmperorJuliusCaesar #56 Posted Aug 19 2019 - 05:09

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View PostJollyGrim, on Aug 12 2019 - 12:00, said:

item #50,423 of things that make the British LT's bad  -  the inability to knock down a destructible fence.......but wait there's more!...

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainyGiftedDogePraiseIt

 

:facepalm:

 

 

I'm not sure if it's been fixed yet, but be careful, you might have the same thing happen to you, twice in one night driving my Even 90 I hit a tree while airborne and instantly exploded.   Tickets and replays were sent, I wasn't very happy.



gideon_an #57 Posted Aug 19 2019 - 06:46

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Caught between a rock and a hard place. Yeah I couldn't move after that.



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View Postleadtag101, on Aug 12 2019 - 10:34, said:

Well my LHMTV got high centered on a horse turd!

The things suck a$$!

I refuse to go any further till WG fixes these British Lts

So basically, you are doing what German tech tree players tried to do in order for wg to buff the useless tanks at t8 that suck vs t10? Welp. You will be waiting a long time because light tanks serve the same purpose as German tanks. To make their nations looks like crap and make Russia look better in comparison...



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View PostArcticTankHunter, on Aug 17 2019 - 23:43, said:


Leopard 1 says no when it comes to Manticore high alpha. freaking amx 13 105 can clip it to death and ram it.

 

Why would anyone in a Leopard 1 care? It's a vastly superior tank. Significantly better DPM, almost 1100 more, much better pen, RoF, shell velocity and massively more ammo capacity.  Not to mention better gun handling on every count and better VR. Even looks like it has better maneuverability though I can't say for sure having not played either. Armour wise the Manticore actually looks better though both are pretty meaningless. Hell it even has a 10% less chance to catch on fire.

 What does the Maticore have? Better concealment.






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