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Oagr_Patch #81 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 04:14

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View PostBB_Shooter, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:06, said:

If you are a member of USAA you can verify through them. That is how I ID my account.

That way you only use the last 4 of social.

... and the name on the account, and the DOB on the account, plus they have your e-mail, which is all sensitive personal information that you should not give out when you're telling some unknown web-site about your account with USAA.

 

Dangling free stuff if you provide personal info is classic phishing



Oagr_Patch #82 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 04:19

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View Postknave1, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:06, said:

I will leave this right here...

 

https://www.va.gov/o...ase.cfm?id=2838

 

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VA Works with Veteran-Run Company ID.me to Offer Veterans More Secure, Convenient Online Services

December 7, 2016, 11:01:00 AM

 :facepalm: Read the article... that's saying the VA (NOT IDme) has a safe web-site:  Vets.gov now meets the “Level of Assurance 3” (LOA3) information assurance standard, which will allow VA to offer Veterans more features on a single convenient site. This is the highest level of security used to protect user data and privacy, and VA is a leader in both the government and private sectors with an LOA3 logon account.



The_Chieftain #83 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 04:22

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View PostOagr_Patch, on Oct 10 2019 - 21:10, said:

 

C'mon Chieftan, if you had a troop at next drill weekend tell you all about this great deal he heard about if he provided his SSN to some web-site he'd never heard of... you'd tell him "Sounds legit, do it"?

 

We're not talking about an IP address, SSN is what you're asking us to give out to a site we don't know.  I just got a Home Depot discount today by showing my ID... no SSN required.  

 

It's not forced to say I appreciate the intent, I've made sincere requests here to give Vets the bonus without asking us to give up SSN or personal info associated with an account.  The responses from WG have been the equivalent to "Get in the van, they have free candy." 

 

Your customers are saying genuine "Thanks for the offer, can I have it without making myself vulnerable to identity theft?" and the answer we get back is "No, no gift without providing privacy act info".  Most Vets I know are hyper-sensitive to protecting that information, and I'm surprised to hear WG vets treating this in what comes across as a fairly casual manner.  

 

The first problem here is "some company we've never heard of". If you are genuinely unaware of ID.me (or Sheer.id, or Veterans Advantage) you are obviously out of the loop. Scores of respectable companies use them for verification. If you don't want to provide the requirements, that's up to you. 

 

View Postknave1, on Oct 10 2019 - 21:06, said:

I will leave this right here...

 

https://www.va.gov/o...ase.cfm?id=2838

 

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VA Works with Veteran-Run Company ID.me to Offer Veterans More Secure, Convenient Online Services

December 7, 2016, 11:01:00 AM

 

That's a pretty good start.

 

Or here's one from Stars and Stripes, which is, as you doubtless know, run by the DoD.

https://www.stripes.com/news/need-to-prove-you-re-a-soldier-here-s-a-tool-to-do-it-1.235625

 

Persec is laudible. But you can take it too far. 



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:22, said:

 

The first problem here is "some company we've never heard of". If you are genuinely unaware of ID.me (or Sheer.id, or Veterans Advantage) you are obviously out of the loop. Scores of respectable companies use them for verification. If you don't want to provide the requirements, that's up to you. 

 

 

That's a pretty good start.

 

Or here's one from Stars and Stripes, which is, as you doubtless know, run by the DoD.

https://www.stripes.com/news/need-to-prove-you-re-a-soldier-here-s-a-tool-to-do-it-1.235625

 

Persec is laudible. But you can take it too far. 

 

Okay.  A customer has asked and WG response is to triple-down on "Nyet" ... and I'm out of the loop for missing the 2013 Stars and Stripes article, my bad :honoring:



The_Chieftain #85 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 04:53

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View PostOagr_Patch, on Oct 10 2019 - 21:37, said:

 

Okay.  A customer has asked and WG response is to triple-down on "Nyet" ... and I'm out of the loop for missing the 2013 Stars and Stripes article, my bad :honoring:

 

You asked for an endorsement, I gave you one,  Knave gave you one. 

Seriously. Go to the VA.Gov website. Click "Sign in". See where it says "Sign in with ID.me" or "Create an account with ID.me?"

 

Look, it's no skin off my nose if you want to continue to not trust verification sites like these. It's your dollars you are wasting. But if the department of the US government whose function it is to look after US veterans is using it to verify who their own veterans are, I think that's as good an endorsement as any you could ask for. As for everyone else, they can form their own opinions from the above exchange if they wish to use ID.me. Or they can google something like "Is ID.me legit?"



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How do family members of military status claim the reward?

Oagr_Patch #87 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 05:34

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:53, said:

 

You asked for an endorsement, I gave you one,  Knave gave you one. 

Seriously. Go to the VA.Gov website. Click "Sign in". See where it says "Sign in with ID.me" or "Create an account with ID.me?"

 

Look, it's no skin off my nose if you want to continue to not trust verification sites like these. It's your dollars you are wasting. But if the department of the US government whose function it is to look after US veterans is using it to verify who their own veterans are, I think that's as good an endorsement as any you could ask for. As for everyone else, they can form their own opinions from the above exchange if they wish to use ID.me. Or they can google something like "Is ID.me legit?  

 

 

Knave gave a link to an article about how vets.gov was secure, You gave a link from a Stars and Strips article talking about a successful Veteran business startup... none of which listed IDme as an accredited VA log-in.

 

Your reference to the VA website log-in above is the first reference to an actual legit link to IDme.  I used it through the VA log in, they're legit, thanks for providing a credible source that confirms they are legit.

 

I do not appear to be the only 'out of touch' and 'paranoid' Veteran (aka Customer) who would appreciate some up-front reassurance to IDme legitimacy; add a description to the link on the WG web-site clarifying they are accredited as a log-in source for the VA.

 


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Oagr_Patch #88 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 06:59

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View Postbad_73, on Oct 10 2019 - 14:36, said:

It becomes clear now...lol..sure give the belarussians your social insurance number....sheesh...peeps are that dumb?

So after 5 pages of back and forth and 13 WG responses, Chieftan finally clarified that IDme is an accredited VA login... and per the 2013 stars and stripes article he shared, IDme company was started by two former rangers... would be nice if they would be up-front on the web-site about the link they're asking us to use being accredited by the VA and ran by 2 us veterans.



Oagr_Patch #89 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 07:12

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If you were distrustful of IDme as I was, please see below link to the VA site so you can see they are an accredited login for the VA.

Here's a link to the VA https://www.va.gov/

Click 'Sign in' on top right

At login screen, 3rd option down is IDme, so they are actually an accredited login for the VA, i.e. they're legit and safe to use

Don't feel bad if you missed it, I'm a disabled Vet and regularly access the VA page via the other log-in options and never noticed IDme


Edited by Oagr_Patch, Oct 11 2019 - 07:12.


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WoWs gets an Albany, though I think many would have rather gone for USS Tracy, a Clemson with the hull number DD-214, for obvious reasons :teethhappy:

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View PostOagr_Patch, on Oct 11 2019 - 00:12, said:

If you were distrustful of IDme as I was, please see below link to the VA site so you can see they are an accredited login for the VA.

Here's a link to the VA https://www.va.gov/

Click 'Sign in' on top right

At login screen, 3rd option down is IDme, so they are actually an accredited login for the VA, i.e. they're legit and safe to use

Don't feel bad if you missed it, I'm a disabled Vet and regularly access the VA page via the other log-in options and never noticed IDme

I use the VA website as well and have never seen them mentioned until I started digging for information on them.. I went ahead and signed up for it even though I doubt I will ever need them. I found their vetting process lacking. No one wanted my ID, no one wanted my DD214, no one asked me my discharge status or reenlistment code ..... I suppose even if you have a dishonorable discharge you are eligible to get ID.me verification. So yeah, not impressed one bit. Anyways just be aware that just because someone has an ID.me verification, does not mean they are necessarily the kind of vets you would hang out with on purpose..... 



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Um, and what about the Canadian personnel?? 

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Oct 10 2019 - 13:12, said:

I am very uncomfortable submitting anything with my SSN nor will I be willing to hand over my USAA number as I have tens of thousands in stocks and investments thru them to a Belaussian company operating out of Cyprus.

 

So.....Thanks, but no thanks.

 

Why does everyone think ID.me is a foreign company run our of Cyprus?  Its a long-standing way (3rd party) for vets (and students, teachers, nurses, first responders, and US Govt employees) to PROVE they are vets and get discounts at colleges, stores, services.  People link Twitch, Facebook, PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, all kinds of stuff to their account, but all of a sudden they dont understand the concept of "companies other than Wargaming exist".  

 

 

 


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View PostKRZYBooP, on Oct 10 2019 - 17:55, said:

 

If you are family member of a Veteran, you should be able to use the USAA verification option.

 

(i cant get out of this quote block sorry)

 

USAA only recognizes family if the veteran has purchased auto or property insurance.  You have to open a checking account to even become a USAA member, its not automatic as a vet.  I see no way to get Family benefits unless my Father purchases auto insurance =/


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View Postscreng, on Oct 11 2019 - 02:53, said:

 

Why does everyone think ID.me is a foreign company run our of Cyprus?  Its a long-standing way (3rd party) for vets (and students, teachers, nurses, first responders, and US Govt employees) to PROVE they are vets and get discounts at colleges, stores, services.  People link Twitch, Facebook, PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, all kinds of stuff to their account, but all of a sudden they dont understand the concept of "companies other than Wargaming exist".  

 

 

 

They're talking about Wargaming being a foreign company, not IDme.

I'd never heard of IDme, and when I asked fellow Vets if they heard of it, they also responded that they hadn't heard of it.

I've since found IDme listed as an accredited option to log on to the VA site and have signed up with them.

 



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View PostDomoSapien, on Oct 10 2019 - 12:44, said:


Baby steps. Getting this system set up already involved quite a bit of logistics and was no small feat. If there is existing infrastructure that will allow us to expand this project we are definitely interested in exploring that possibility, but we need to crawl before we can run.


 


Good question! Let me poke support and see if they have any insight in that regard. Would you mind submitting a ticketin the meantime for tracking/bug reporting purposes?

EDIT: actually, try closing your game client then reopening and logging back in. That may trigger the missions to show up. If that doesn't do the trick please make sure you submit that ticket but I will do a bit of digging on our end as well.

 

There are many ways you could verify Canadian Vets and active - many Vet organizations etc that require proof of service - not hard to find, google is your friend - only takes a minute to 2 and the inclination to bother



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Let me just say that I really appreciate that you guys at WGNA are doing this. I'm neither a US citizen nor a veteran from another country, my 15 months as a conscript in the navy of a NATO country doesn't qualify me as a vet in my own eyes at least, but I really appreciate you guys doing something for vets and military personell. They don't ask for it nor do they expect it but they deserve a little something and to me it's a very natural thing to do in a war game where it's obvious that a lot of the players are either vets or current military personell.

 

Good job and I hope you manage to expand it in the future but everything has to start somewhere



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I'm sorry, I don't have USAA and I'm not giving out my SSN. Seems rich for identity theft to me.

 

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View Posttmbrust2001, on Oct 10 2019 - 18:43, said:

I read this post and I have the same question. How do family members receive the free things (minus the coupon) as well? My father served in the military years before I was even thought of lol, but he has played this game for a while and already claimed his rewards (and loves it). So, long story short, how can I get the reward as it says at the bottom of the benefit page?: https://worldoftanks.com/en/content/world-of-tanks-salute/ 

 

I looked around here on the forums and in the website but all i found was this comment, so hopefully we can figure this out seeing as I am not the only one asking.

 

I'm in the same boat.  My father is a deceased veteran.  I have my own USAA membership number, but I did not serve.  Further we don't use any USAA member services, as being Michigan residents they don't offer insurance for vehicles, or home here - they outsource to progressive and/or others the last time I looked.  My local credit union is also sufficient for banking purposes...

 

Regardless, when I attempt to verify via id.me using the USAA membership option, it looks for me to populate the form with service related information, with the implication that it's my service related information.  I don't want anything to do with stolen valor accusations, so at this point I am not going to attempt to proceed with my father's military information and last 4 of his social...

 

View PostSteelShootgun55, on Oct 10 2019 - 23:07, said:

How do family members of military status claim the reward?

 

this.



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First. If you have the thunderbird I know you don't get the gold equivalent but do you get the silver equivalent? Second. 

 

View PostLtChard, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:37, said:

I've been out of the miltary since the late 80's and have no know idea where my old id is anymore.Since I was NG I don't know if I count anyway.


I am a Nasty Girl as well. I only did 8 years but I fully served and left with a good standing and use my DD214 to get various benefits including rent reduction where I live. If you go to your local VA as well they can give you site locations to get your DD214 to store for future use.

 

View PostConfucious, on Oct 10 2019 - 18:31, said:

 
DD214 has our SSN's on it. Not sure if this is a smart move. Lots of data given up.  What do you think? Is this a safe thing to do?
 

 

Also you can get your DD214 with SSN and other personal information blacked out. All it shows then is that you served your status upon leaving and your estimated rank (if you were NG). If you bothered to look into it before shouting you would know this.







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