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ShadowDancer27 #1 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 20:34

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I haven't been particularly frugal with my silver, spending it on crews.  With the sale I can afford one, maybe two tier X tanks.

 

Options researched:

T-62A (I have Obj 140 and am grinding Obj 430)

Obj 277 (have IS-4 and IS-7)

Obj 268

Sheridan

T57

T110E5

T110E3

T110E4

113 (have WZ-111 5A)

AMX 50 B (last 12k XP on 120 is a priority tonight)

 

I could put a good crew in any of them.



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I just bought the Obj 277

 

My game play sucks donkey balls  but I liked that tank on the test server.



tanopasman62 #3 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 20:42

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277 is usually wanted for CW so if that's your thing get that one, T57 is nasty because of its ridiculously high DPM with a 4 shot autoloader, so I'd suggest one of them.

ShadowDancer27 #4 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 20:48

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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 10 2019 - 13:42, said:

277 is usually wanted for CW so if that's your thing get that one, T57 is nasty because of its ridiculously high DPM with a 4 shot autoloader, so I'd suggest one of them.


I am all pubs for now.  T57 seems to be a bit more forgiving than the AMX...at least in my second hand experience.

 

For the blocking missions I am on the Mauschen (just a few games in so a long way from Maus).



tanopasman62 #5 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 20:52

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View PostShadowDancer27, on Oct 10 2019 - 20:48, said:


I am all pubs for now.  T57 seems to be a bit more forgiving than the AMX...at least in my second hand experience.

 

For the blocking missions I am on the Mauschen (just a few games in so a long way from Maus).

 

It's all about burst damage, not a bad tank at all.

 

277 felt like a downgrade from T-10, but still a solid tank, I haven't played them much so these are my first impressions anyway.



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View PostShadowDancer27, on Oct 10 2019 - 12:34, said:

I haven't been particularly frugal with my silver, spending it on crews.  With the sale I can afford one, maybe two tier X tanks.

 

Options researched:

T-62A (I have Obj 140 and am grinding Obj 430)

Obj 277 (have IS-4 and IS-7)

Obj 268

Sheridan

T57

T110E5

T110E3

T110E4

113 (have WZ-111 5A)

AMX 50 B (last 12k XP on 120 is a priority tonight)

 

I could put a good crew in any of them.

 

I don't like your list...

The only likely "good" one is the Obj 277.

 

I used to like the T-62A 4 years ago before the Great Physics Nerf and gun nerfs, but it sucks now.

The T49 is better than the Sheridan, I wish it was the T10 instead of the Sheridan, so we could have the better reload on it instead.

 

I think the only "consistently" good tanks (in the tree) now at T10 are:

EBR 105

PanzerWagon

T-100

Leo1

STB-1

TVP T 50/51 (best of the bunch)

.... couple of others might be close enough, but are meh for me.

Many more used to be good, but since the Great Physics Nerf and gun nerfs, they ALL suck for me now.  "Performance" is key for me, and they just don't have it anymore, the few more that used to be good.



Reichmonk #7 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 21:04

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I have lots of fun playing T57 and T110E3. I'd recommend everyone to try them out. E4 is also pretty good

 

They may not be the best tanks, but I think they are a lot of fun in randoms.


Edited by Reichmonk, Oct 10 2019 - 21:05.


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T-62A: Not worth it anymore. The 140 is just better.

Obj 277: 277 is a great pub stomper and used quite a bit in clan wars. Worth picking up imo.

Obj 268: Not worth it anymore. It's in a pretty bad spot right now.

Sheridan: Never was worth it. Stick with the T49, which is the highlight of the line. The Sheridan is just painful to play.

T57: Fun tank. Gun can be annoying, but the DPM + clip is insane. Good pub-stomper.

T110E5: E5 is in a pretty bad place right now. Not worth it.

T110E3: Still a pretty decent tank. Best bunker in the game if you can hide the lower plate. Plus, with 750 alpha on a 13 second reload.....

T110E4: Not the best tank, but can be fun. Semi-turreted + 750 alpha + pen makes it work. Not for everyone though.

113 (have WZ-111 5A): Not worth picking up. 430U, 260, 277 powercreep it. Plus it has module problems like you would not believe.

AMX 50 B (last 12k XP on 120 is a priority tonight): Worth it, if you like the playstyle. It's not for everyone though.



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View Postleeuniverse, on Oct 10 2019 - 15:03, said:

 

I think the only "consistently" good tanks (in the tree) now at T10 are:

EBR 105

PanzerWagon

T-100

Leo1

STB-1

TVP T 50/51 (best of the bunch)

.... couple of others might be close enough, but are meh for me.

Many more used to be good, but since the Great Physics Nerf and gun nerfs, they ALL suck for me now.  "Performance" is key for me, and they just don't have it anymore, the few more that used to be good.

 

 

The only decent tanks on this list are the T100 and EBR. Panzerwagon is complete and utter dog [edited]. Leo and Stb are decent but niche tanks. TVP has been overshadowed by the Progetto. 

 

 



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View PostNARWL_Legend_Soviet, on Oct 10 2019 - 13:21, said:

The only decent tanks on this list are the T100 and EBR. Panzerwagon is complete and utter dog [edited]. Leo and Stb are decent but niche tanks. TVP has been overshadowed by the Progetto. 

 

I agree Panzer is not the best, but I don't consider it bad.  If I can do well enough in it, not sure why you can't being a Unicorn.

 

Leo and STB are slightly flawed, I think if they were a bit faster, i.e. primarily in power/acceleration they would be just right.  But, I do fairly decent, not sure why you wouldn't like them.

 

Actually, I find the Progetto to be fat, slow, (armor to justify the slowness pretty much irrelevant given the high pen and damage guns) and reload too long to be as consistent, so I consider the TVP to STILL be better.  The Standard B however at T9 is near perfect.  I love it.



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I bought the Badger on discount and regretted it instantly. It can't stop anything.

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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 10 2019 - 19:42, said:

277 is usually wanted for CW so if that's your thing get that one, T57 is nasty because of its ridiculously high DPM with a 4 shot autoloader, so I'd suggest one of them.

 

+1 on those picks



leeuniverse #13 Posted Oct 10 2019 - 22:50

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T57 is just too slow and wonki for me, even before the Great Physics nerf which slowed tanks down.

It used to be good, but then they nerfed it right after I got it, something like 6 years ago, making it too slow and if I remember right some gun-related nerfs as well.

Same with the T9 of that line, they ruined it also.

 

So, for me, it hasn't been "good" for a long time.



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View Postleeuniverse, on Oct 10 2019 - 12:41, said:

 

I agree Panzer is not the best, but I don't consider it bad.  If I can do well enough in it, not sure why you can't being a Unicorn.

If Panzer = German Tier X Light Tank, then its biggest problem is that it has weird combination of characteristics. Its spotting characteristics combined with good dispersion and penetration suggest it should be used as passive scout and long range sniper, but at the same time its shells velocity is one of the lowest on Tier X, which makes it very difficult to hit moving targets from long range. It could have shined as a sniper if shells had higher velocity, but as of now I don't see how it can be used efficiently as a sniper, and it simply doesn't possess characteristics to be better than other Tier X LTs at something else.


Edited by _Draklor_, Oct 11 2019 - 09:31.


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View Post_Draklor_, on Oct 10 2019 - 15:05, said:

If Panzer = German Tier X Light Tank, then its biggest problem is that it has weird combination of characteristics. Its spotting characteristics combined with good dispersion and penetration suggest it should be used as passive scout and long range sniper, but at the same time its shells velocity is one of the lowest on Tier X, which makes it very difficult to hit moving targets from long range. It could have shined as a sniper if shells had higher velocity, but as of now I don't see how it can be used efficiently as a sniper, and it simply doesn't possess characteristics to be better than other Tier X LTs at something else.

 

I think the only things I don't' like about it are that while it does have good speed, it slides too much (I just don't like the Physics Nerf period that created sliding (though I do like the Spacebar slide, if it was actually worth it anymore, tanks are just too slow anymore to make it worth anything) ), it doesn't have good view range compared to other T10's, and either it's reload should be slightly faster, or damage slightly increased.  If they fixed those for me, it would be fine.  Shell velocity is something I can adapt to, so not the biggest priority.  Also, I think part of what doesn't make that as bad for me is isn't it the most accurate T10 light? So a lower shell velocity on that tank apparently doesn't bother me.  (though, don't remember how accurate the non-derp gun was on the Sheridan)



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obj277 it is fantastic, maybe 110e4

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View Postleeuniverse, on Oct 10 2019 - 14:16, said:

 

I think the only things I don't' like about it are that while it does have good speed, it slides too much (I just don't like the Physics Nerf period that created sliding (though I do like the Spacebar slide, if it was actually worth it anymore, tanks are just too slow anymore to make it worth anything) ), it doesn't have good view range compared to other T10's, and either it's reload should be slightly faster, or damage slightly increased.  If they fixed those for me, it would be fine.  Shell velocity is something I can adapt to, so not the biggest priority.  Also, I think part of what doesn't make that as bad for me is isn't it the most accurate T10 light? So a lower shell velocity on that tank apparently doesn't bother me.  (though, don't remember how accurate the non-derp gun was on the Sheridan)

It is most accurate T10 light, correct. But only until you attempt to snipe something that actually moves. :)

You can surely adapt to it (especially since few previous tiers have exactly the same issue), but it doesn't make it comfortable compared to other T10 lights unfortunately...

 

Irrelevant to Panzer specifically, I know some people prefer to use APCR shells over regular AP even if their target doesn't require any extra penetration. Just because APCR's are faster in general, so they can better hit moving target from long distance.

 

Now I'm not asking to give Panzer a laser gun. But more of an average shell velocity would make it much more comfortable at only thing it may potentially be good at.


Edited by _Draklor_, Oct 11 2019 - 09:32.


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I just picked up the 277 and 430U. The 277 is pretty meta for any competitive stuff.

InfinityGamer #19 Posted Oct 11 2019 - 05:21

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If I were you I'd get the 50B, then either the 277 or T57. Those are the most competitive from the list you provided, and the most fun in my opinion.

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View Post_Draklor_, on Oct 10 2019 - 14:26, said:

It is most accurate T10 light, correct. But only until you attempt to snipe something that actually moves. :)

You can surely adapt to it (especially since few previous tiers have exactly the same issue), but it doesn't make it comfortable compared to other T10 lights unfortunately...

 

Irrelevant to Panzer specifically, I know some people prefer to use APCR shells over regular AP even if their target doesn't require any extra penetration. Just because APCR's are faster in general, so they can better hit moving target from long distance.

 

Now I'm not asking to give Panzer a laser gun. But more of an average shell velocity would make it much more comfortable at only thing it may potentially be good at.

No idea what you are going on about I just checked and the Panzer has the same highest velocity of the tier 10 LTs.

https://tanks.gg/compare/rhm-pzw?t=sheridan_000000%7Ewz-132-1%7Et-100-lt%7Emanticore%7Eamx-13-105






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