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PanzerXO #21 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:19

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I'm betting that the real reason for this is that High Caliber HE is indiscriminate against armor - meaning equally effective vs RU tanks as it is against German, etc.  Thus, a fat gunned German or US tank/TD facing a perfectly hull down RU can (currently) dependably deal damage regardless of the Stalinium - and that must be stopped 

 

 



PanzerXO #22 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:20

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View PostSiergen, on Oct 17 2019 - 20:18, said:

 

I'm going to try to allocate some time for testing that myself.  In battles with lots of HTs, I've often been disappointed with existing HE shell tanks.  I want to see for myself whether several shots always leaking through for a little damage makes up for sometimes getting a big hit after a string of tracks-only shots.

 

VK 72.01 got High Caliber in a recent game - dude only shot HE.  That's gonna stop 



JakeTheMystic #23 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:22

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>Making blocking missions near impossible as people switch to HE after bouncing 1 shot

>Noobs will resort once again to spamming only HE 

 

List of tanks that use HE as mostly primary and/or feature derp guns as their most common used gun:

All arty?

KV-2 and the Kv-2 ®

M41 90 (German bulldog)

T49

Sheridan

T40 (if you like the derp)

M4

M4A3E2

Pz IV H

Hetzer

E100

Cruiser 2

Crusader

Valentine 

Alecto

Sherman III

Foch 155 (meme)

AMX 40 (more common than you would think)

The entire Jap heavy line

 

Probably missed a few premiums and didn't include things that use hesh like the 183 and 4005. 

 



HeraldricKnight #24 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:24

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View PostMancu, on Oct 18 2019 - 01:09, said:

 

Fixed that for you.

 

The fact is, large caliber HE shells will not be viable after the nerf.


They'll be plenty viable. The only difference is they won't one-shot anymore. Feel free to cry in the corner. 



Vulcan_Spectre #25 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:27

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Also the tier 4 Italian

PanzerXO #26 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:30

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 17 2019 - 20:22, said:

>Making blocking missions near impossible as people switch to HE after bouncing 1 shot

>Noobs will resort once again to spamming only HE 

 

List of tanks that use HE as mostly primary and/or feature derp guns as their most common used gun:

All arty?

KV-2 and the Kv-2 ®

M41 90 (German bulldog)

T49

Sheridan

T40 (if you like the derp)

M4

M4A3E2

Pz IV H

Hetzer

E100

Cruiser 2

Crusader

Valentine 

Alecto

Sherman III

Foch 155 (meme)

AMX 40 (more common than you would think)

The entire Jap heavy line

 

Probably missed a few premiums and didn't include things that use hesh like the 183 and 4005. 

 

I'd add any tank with a 130 or larger 



Avalon304 #27 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:32

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Oct 17 2019 - 17:55, said:

 

So what gun do you use on the ISU-152? KV-2? M4A1? T49? etc....

 

https://worldoftanks.com/en/community/accounts/1003039296-Avalon304/

 

On the ISU 152? The top gun. With the 260mm pen AP...

 

On the SU-152? (Which is probably the tank you meant to name). Youd still use the stock gun, with HEAT, just like you do now.

 

On the KV-2? The 152. And you'll still be able to use it after, just with more AP shells and less HE one shots.

 

On the T49? I hated the 152 and prefer the 90mm, because the 90mm is a really good gun for a tier 9 light tank. (The Sheridan is also better with the 105mm gun as compared to the 152).

 

Super not gonna cry when my M4 loses the ability to one shot low tiers. I'll switch to the 76mm and continue along with it. (Same can be said for the Sherman III and Pz IV H).

 

I have no problems with this. HE derp spammers arent good for the game.



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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 17 2019 - 18:43, said:

Oh no! You wont be able to spam HE for high damage numbers anymore... you'll actually have to use proper anti-tank cannons...

Pretty much what I was thinking.  OMG, now you'll have to learn weak points and -- you know -- AIM.

 

 

OvO



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 17 2019 - 21:24, said:


They'll be plenty viable. The only difference is they won't one-shot anymore. Feel free to cry in the corner. 

 

Wrong, along with large HE shells being reduced to 1/4 - 1/2 of their current damage level, WG has already announced that all tanks will be getting more HP and standard shells will be doing more damage. That means that large HE shells will not be viable.



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will the [edited]wheelies get nerfed?!

Edited by Copacetic, Oct 18 2019 - 02:36.


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View PostMancu, on Oct 18 2019 - 01:33, said:

 

Wrong, along with large HE shells being reduced to 1/4 - 1/2 of their current damage level, WG has already announced that all tanks will be getting more HP and standard shells will be doing more damage. That means that large HE shells will not be viable.


But you keep omitting that HE shells will always pen and will always do full damage as long as it hits the tank and not external modules. High Caliber guns will still be good, you just can't roll up, one-shot, and roll back. 



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I guess wheelie HE getting nerfed is a plus...

 

Also way to simplify the game by making armor irrelevant below ~200 HP.

 

The standard/premium ammo changes are a complete disaster. If they go into the game as is, we'll get Maus meta 2.0, but instead of the Maus it'll be the 279 and instead of mostly affecting the competitive modes it'll affect everything.



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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 17 2019 - 20:22, said:

M41 90 (German bulldog)

E100

Crusader

Valentine 

 

Whaaaaat.

 

If you are using HE in the Crusader or Valentine you are literally doing it wrong.  Does the M41 90 have some special secret HE?


As for the E100... urgh. 



Avalon304 #34 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:57

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 17 2019 - 18:54, said:


But you keep omitting that HE shells will always pen and will always do full damage as long as it hits the tank and not external modules. High Caliber guns will still be good, you just can't roll up, one-shot, and roll back. 

 

I mean they dont always do full damage. You can play them on sandbox to see this much. But they generally will do more consistent damage.



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Italian P.43, tier V Medium, that I'm starting to like (except in tier VII games), would be worthless without HE. I'd much rather see premium ammo nerfed, particularly at low & mid tiers.

PanzerXO #36 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 02:58

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View Postdunniteowl, on Oct 17 2019 - 20:32, said:

Pretty much what I was thinking.  OMG, now you'll have to learn weak points and -- you know -- AIM.

 

 

OvO


I think you (and the guy you're agreeing with) are missing the point.  Those HE Derp guns - for the most part - were never really 'game changing' or 'breaking' (beyond the pre-nerf AnimeArmor)… but they could be pure LOLz.  

 

...and in a game full of Try-HardzTM - LOLz are worth it



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View PostFrozenKemp, on Oct 17 2019 - 18:57, said:

 

Whaaaaat.

 

If you are using HE in the Crusader or Valentine you are literally doing it wrong.  Does the M41 90 have some special secret HE?


As for the E100... urgh. 

 

I mean I dont think anyone uses HEP in the Blackdog as its primary round (and if they are doing that theyre bad) but it does have high penetration HE.

 

View PostPanzerXO, on Oct 17 2019 - 18:58, said:


I think you (and the guy you're agreeing with) are missing the point.  Those HE Derp guns - for the most part - were never really 'game changing' or 'breaking' (beyond the pre-nerf AnimeArmor)… but they could be pure LOLz.  

 

...and in a game full of Try-HardzTM - LOLz are worth it

 

No... Im not missing that theyre hilarious. They are hilarious. That doesnt make them not bad for the game.



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 17 2019 - 20:54, said:

But you keep omitting that HE shells will always pen and will always do full damage as long as it hits the tank and not external modules.

 

That is not correct. Read the section on splash mechanics. (Shrapnels, Spalls, and Splash Radius).  Armour still affects all three. 

 



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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 17 2019 - 21:00, said:

 

I mean I dont think anyone uses HEP in the Blackdog as its primary round (and if they are doing that theyre bad) but it does have high penetration HE.

 

 

No... Im not missing that theyre hilarious. They are hilarious. That doesnt make them not bad for the game.


Ask any scout that's been counter-scouted by a BlackDawg



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Oct 17 2019 - 19:54, said:

The T49 will kinda just become mediocre.  No more silly.  No more putting the fear of Serb into scout tanks.   Just a 90.  Yay?  I dunno.   The 90 is the more consistent gun, but it's not why one T49s.

 

Suffice to say, a gutting of the T49 would see it never leaving the garage and definitely some shorter sessions as there's no real replacement to the zanny style of play it has that puts a massive smile on my face. 

 

I'll spam it until this patch hits, then it'll forever be retired.  A 90mm T49 is a sad T49.  Just play the RU if you want 90 action. 

 

They murdered the derp Stuart.

 

They mugged the Chaffee on three separate occasions.

 

The bulldog was neutered.

 

Now they're gunning for the derp 49?

 

That used to be a great, gobs o' fun line with all kinds of interesting non-cookie cutter tanks. Now, what's the point? Where's the fun? 


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