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PanzerXO #1 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 03:21

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I've wondered about this for a while - and none of the "Pubby" (read: well meaning, but uninformed player) suggestions have actually seemed like true answers.

 

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Why is it that when you hit "Service Record" you see one number for your "Personal Rating" - but when you go to "Hall of Fame, Ratings by Achievements in Random Battles" you get a wholly different number?



ItzRocket #2 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 03:27

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you sir are rude PUBBY is a separate entity from the noobs of the game

Ndtm #3 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 03:40

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https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Player_Ratings_(WoT%29

Personal Rating

Personal Rating is a scale created by Wargaming.net to evaluate player performance. The rating system accounts for a variety of statistics such as battle count, wins, damage, survivals, as well as numerous other factors. The formula for calculating Personal Rating as of 8.11 is as follows:


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Definitions:

  • bc - total battle count
  • win - ratio of victories over total number of battles (ranges 0 to 1)
  • surv - ratio of survived battles over total number of battles (ranges 0 to 1)
  • dmg - average damage per battle over all battles
  • bc8.8 - battles conducted since patch 8.8
  • xp8.8 - average experience per battle over all battles (excludes premium account bonus since patch 8.8)
  • radio8.8 - assisted damage via radio (since patch 8.8)
  • tracks8.8 - assisted damage via disabled tracks (since patch 8.8)


Players with zero battles are assigned a player rating of 0.

 

Achievement WTR: http://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/achievement_rating/

Vehicle WTR: https://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/vehicle_rating/

 

Too much stuff for the last two to be making quotes for them.



PanzerXO #4 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 03:50

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View PostItzRocket, on Oct 17 2019 - 21:27, said:

you sir are rude PUBBY is a separate entity from the noobs of the game


LOLz - I did not even think about that: Pub on, PubStar



PanzerXO #5 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 04:14

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View PostNdtm, on Oct 17 2019 - 21:40, said:

 

Achievement WTR: http://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/achievement_rating/

Vehicle WTR: https://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/vehicle_rating/

 

Too much stuff for the last two to be making quotes for them.


I am struggling to see what purpose WG had in making PR different from WTR.  I've read what you posted... but... the why is missing



Ndtm #6 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 04:18

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View PostPanzerXO, on Oct 18 2019 - 04:14, said:

I am struggling to see what purpose WG had in making PR different from WTR.  I've read what you posted... but... the why is missing

Yeah, i don't have the answer either so i decided to just stick with linking the pages



PanzerXO #7 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 04:20

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View PostNdtm, on Oct 17 2019 - 22:18, said:

Yeah, i don't have the answer either so i decided to just stick with linking the pages


LOL - That is so "Us" and "Them" !  WG's communication with players is so hit and miss



Buttknuckle #8 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 04:37

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The WTR came later than PR and it is WGs attempt to correct some of the deficiencies with PR (ie, its supposed to be an improvement/better system). But its hard to evaluate the validity of WTR because of the various coefficients with unknown values. For example: I havent been able to find a list of Rolev coefficient values.

Rides_with_Death #9 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 05:29

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Isn't it tied to the tank? Or am I thinking of some other metrics

PanzerXO #10 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 05:32

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View PostRides_with_Death, on Oct 17 2019 - 23:29, said:

Isn't it tied to the tank? Or am I thinking of some other metrics


Yeah - that's something different; i'm talking about the two in-game 'ratings' (See Title / OP)



Buttknuckle #11 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 06:35

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View PostRides_with_Death, on Oct 18 2019 - 04:29, said:

Isn't it tied to the tank? Or am I thinking of some other metrics


There is a vehicle WTR and an overall WTR which is all of your vehicle WTRs multiplied by the number of games in each vehicle divided by your overall number of games. So your WTR is like a weighted average of all your vehicle WTRs.



Tiikmet_Iidamm #12 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 09:32

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View PostPanzerXO, on Oct 18 2019 - 02:21, said:

I've wondered about this for a while - and none of the "Pubby" (read: well meaning, but uninformed player) suggestions have actually seemed like true answers.

 

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Why is it that when you hit "Service Record" you see one number for your "Personal Rating" - but when you go to "Hall of Fame, Ratings by Achievements in Random Battles" you get a wholly different number?

 

I believe they are both a simlar rating. At least they are meant to be.  The "Hall of Fame" is calculated from December, 2014 forward.  That is, you can have the Hall of Fame show you your overall stats "From December 2014" until now.  Whereas, in your Service Record that is for all time.  They are somewhat comparable to each other.  If your Hall of Fame rating is increasing you should see your Service Record WTR increasing, and vice versa.  Your Service Record number will grow bigger just by playing more and more battles (hence you will see people with 60k battles and an 8k personal rating in the Service record, but they only have a 47% winrate).

 

I think the Hall of Fame WTR is a much better stat comparison tool. I play light tanks, passively.  WN8 supposedly counts spotting dmg, but if you look at the formulas it's capped/limited by dmg done.  If I have done 7k spotting dmg but fired no shots and done no dmg my WN8 is crap for that battle, but we all know that if my team couldn't have made the 7k dmg with my spotting the outcome of the game would be vastly different.

 

But I really only look at stats when someone tries to stat shame me.  Then I deep dive into their stats and my stats and compare rankings in the Hall of Fame.

 

Everyone needs to remember, this is a game.  We play it to enjoy ourselves and have fun.



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View PostNdtm, on Oct 18 2019 - 04:40, said:

Personal Rating

Personal Rating is a scale created by Wargaming.net to evaluate player performance. The rating system accounts for a variety of statistics such as battle count, wins, damage, survivals, as well as numerous other factors. The formula for calculating Personal Rating as of 8.11 is as follows:


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Definitions:

  • bc - total battle count
  • win - ratio of victories over total number of battles (ranges 0 to 1)
  • surv - ratio of survived battles over total number of battles (ranges 0 to 1)
  • dmg - average damage per battle over all battles
  • bc8.8 - battles conducted since patch 8.8
  • xp8.8 - average experience per battle over all battles (excludes premium account bonus since patch 8.8)
  • radio8.8 - assisted damage via radio (since patch 8.8)
  • tracks8.8 - assisted damage via disabled tracks (since patch 8.8)


Players with zero battles are assigned a player rating of 0.

 

Achievement WTR: http://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/achievement_rating/

Vehicle WTR: https://worldoftanks.com/en/content/hof_guide/vehicle_rating/

 

Too much stuff for the last two to be making quotes for them.

 

If I look at this it's biased towards damage, which negatively impacts those who prefer low/mid tiers (not referring to seal clubbers). All the damage/assistance metrics should be weighted for tiers you play in.



Vulcan_Spectre #14 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 12:20

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Don't pay attention to PR, since it's influenced by BC a person can have 10k+ games and still be trash, but have a good PR

gen_penguin #15 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 15:34

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Which one is the correct one ?? cause my two rating are totally different !!  One of them say I suck and the other one say I am not too bad

Filthywon #16 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 15:48

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I wouldn't trust the "hall of fame" according to them I'm better than 70 to 85% of the players in this game by many of my "stats" I think that's a tad optimistic! But only by 35% or so. I really don't have any idea where they come up with these numbers. 

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Good question, wish I had the answer. Replying simply to make the post more popular.

Buttknuckle #18 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 18:55

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View PostVulcan_Spectre, on Oct 18 2019 - 11:20, said:

Don't pay attention to PR, since it's influenced by BC a person can have 10k+ games and still be trash, but have a good PR

This is a common misconception. The impact of Battle Count on PR is essentially flat after about 5K games. A trash player with 10K games will not have a substantially greater PR than a trash player with 5K games.



PanzerXO #19 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 19:32

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View PostInfinityGamer, on Oct 18 2019 - 10:12, said:

Good question, wish I had the answer. Replying simply to make the post more popular.

 

Well, thank you very much!  Perhaps if it stays current long enough a WGNA employee will provide a cohesive and coherent answer for us to argue about 



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One is Lifetime/Overall, the Other is Current is a Given Period of Time.....

 

It tells you right there when you Mouse Over it....      Hope that Helps some....






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