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Poll: Do you like the HE Round re-work? (306 members have cast votes)

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Do you think the new mechanics for HE rounds are good?

  1. ( 100%) Yes, I think the new HE rounds are perfect (36 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  2. (50%) No, Its the right direction but not where it should be (36 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. (0%) No, These changes are awful and the idea needs to be shelved (234 votes [76.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.47%

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comradekillshot #41 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 16:51

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View PostGarandster, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:44, said:

I think people are freaking out too much. I don't imagine high tier game play will be changed much since the majority of HE hits are non-pen so they start out as being half the listed alpha to begin with. The biggest concern over the changes seems to be centered around lower/mid tier tanks where the average armor is low enough you can fairly often get pens with HE leading to a lot of one-shot or near one-shot deaths. Hopefully with the corresponding HP buff at lower tiers it will make the gameplay better at those levels for those playing them.

 

We'll have to see how the data at the end of sandbox shakes up and what modifications to the initial testing are made.

 

I respectfully disagree. High tiers is where a lot of the specialization is, Heavy armor o thin armor with high damage output, this is where HE rounds plays the most important role. 



comradekillshot #42 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 16:52

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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:49, said:

 

From what I researched the RU playerbase, usually those with [This] next to their names was complaining about HE, and here you have it.

 

If we make enough posts like this across all forums we may save HE, not just derp/high caliber guns, but the ammo type altogether.

i agree, once something makes it to the test server it rarely falls back out. But maybe we can save HE if enough people voice their opinion.



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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:49, said:

 

From what I researched the RU playerbase, usually those with [This] next to their names was complaining about HE, and here you have it.

 

If we make enough posts like this across all forums we may save HE, not just derp/high caliber guns, but the ammo type altogether.

we just gotta kep bosting and bumping this thread and keep the vote alive. if wargaming goes through with the nerf I will personally make another thread titled "Wargaming dosen't care" and post the poll results from here to it.



tanopasman62 #44 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 17:10

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View Postcomradekillshot, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:53, said:

we just gotta kep bosting and bumping this thread and keep the vote alive. if wargaming goes through with the nerf I will personally make another thread titled "Wargaming dosen't care" and post the poll results from here to it.

 

There's also a significant amount of angry KV-2 ® drivers that will want a refund. That's if they don't give it the lefefe treatment which will cause the biggest poopstorm this game has ever seen



Markd73 #45 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 17:40

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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:10, said:

 

There's also a significant amount of angry KV-2 ® drivers that will want a refund. That's if they don't give it the lefefe treatment which will cause the biggest poopstorm this game has ever seen

 

This is WG we are talking about. They are so incompetent and greedy that I wouldn't bet against this outcome.



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View Posttanopasman62, on Oct 18 2019 - 17:10, said:

 

There's also a significant amount of angry KV-2 ® drivers that will want a refund.

 

《raises hand》


Edited by DrWho_, Oct 18 2019 - 17:46.


comradekillshot #47 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 18:04

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View PostDrWho_, on Oct 18 2019 - 17:45, said:

 

《raises hand》

/i feel for ya bro, i really do.



SargeanTravis #48 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 18:19

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 14:30, said:

Oh no, you need to actually aim... The horror... Stop, no... You won't be able to derp HE rounds into tracks and do full damage... Monsters... 

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SargeanTravis #49 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 18:22

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Oct 18 2019 - 15:43, said:

 

 

Except it's a buff to HE shells in general and a nerf to derp guns

Is this a joke? Sarcasm?

Removing penetration altogether? BAD

Reducing alpha? BAD

raising everyone's HP? BAD FOR HE

 

Describe to me how this is remotely a buff



SargeanTravis #50 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 18:22

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View Postthe_dude_76, on Oct 18 2019 - 15:49, said:

 

It's a buff to LOW CALIBER HE rounds improving them from utterly worthless to mostly worthless...

mostly worthless is still worthless



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View Postcomradekillshot, on Oct 18 2019 - 15:53, said:

we just gotta kep bosting and bumping this thread and keep the vote alive. if wargaming goes through with the nerf I will personally make another thread titled "Wargaming dosen't care" and post the poll results from here to it.


Because they're really going to listen to the smallest, most overly-dramatic player base instead of the largest, most lucrative player base that wants the changes. 

 

Good luck. 



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 18:27, said:


Because they're really going to listen to the smallest, most overly-dramatic player base instead of the largest, most lucrative player base that wants the changes. 

 

Good luck. 

 

I dont know how they can ignore this one. Across all fourms across all countries, and most big name social media and you tubers are all calling this a dumb idea and against it.


Edited by comradekillshot, Oct 18 2019 - 18:52.


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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 14:30, said:

Oh no, you need to actually aim... The horror... Stop, no... You won't be able to derp HE rounds into tracks and do full damage... Monsters... 

I once hit a one shot in my KV -2 from across half of Paris

 

And you think I "didn't aim" to make that shot?

 

Your argument is invalid



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View Postcomradekillshot, on Oct 18 2019 - 10:51, said:

 

I respectfully disagree. High tiers is where a lot of the specialization is, Heavy armor o thin armor with high damage output, this is where HE rounds plays the most important role. 

 

HE pen doesn't increase relative to the average amount of armor as you go up tiers. HE especially in smaller caliber guns doesn't offer enough alpha increase to outweigh the odds of a failed pen producing little to no damage. HE is situational, it always has been as will still be, you often only load HE when you need to finish a low HP target or reset a cap. You don't see a T-44 or an Obj 140 for example running all HE or mostly HE, rarely if ever it actually gets used. Only a handful of tanks actually operate on a primary HE loadout, but even those you don't anticipate often getting pens, you expect to do half your alpha minus armor. Only a handful of tanks featured high pen HE that was actually a viable strategy to run them consistently. Often people aren't loading HE just because they saw a light tank or a Grille 15, so I highly doubt light armored tanks are going to get a massive buff.



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View PostSargeanTravis, on Oct 18 2019 - 11:22, said:

mostly worthless is still worthless

 

That was the point I was attempting to make....



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 11:27, said:


Because they're really going to listen to the smallest, most overly-dramatic player base instead of the largest, most lucrative player base that wants the changes

 

Good luck. 

 

ROTFLMAO!! Please do share how you've come to this conclusion...



SargeanTravis #57 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 19:14

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 18:27, said:


Because they're really going to listen to the smallest, most overly-dramatic player base instead of the largest, most lucrative player base that wants the changes. 

 

Good luck. 

 

Someone doesn't know that they are in fact the vocal minority in this situation



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View PostGarandster, on Oct 18 2019 - 18:48, said:

 

HE pen doesn't increase relative to the average amount of armor as you go up tiers. HE especially in smaller caliber guns doesn't offer enough alpha increase to outweigh the odds of a failed pen producing little to no damage. HE is situational, it always has been as will still be, you often only load HE when you need to finish a low HP target or reset a cap. You don't see a T-44 or an Obj 140 for example running all HE or mostly HE, rarely if ever it actually gets used. Only a handful of tanks actually operate on a primary HE loadout, but even those you don't anticipate often getting pens, you expect to do half your alpha minus armor. Only a handful of tanks featured high pen HE that was actually a viable strategy to run them consistently. Often people aren't loading HE just because they saw a light tank or a Grille 15, so I highly doubt light armored tanks are going to get a massive buff.

 

I do not only often load HE when I need to reset cap and or finish a target. These ARE times that I use HE but I shoot targets with most of their HP with HE regularly. My T-44 is one of my favorite tanks, with the 122 on it with HE rounds I can slap a heavy straight in the face for about 130 damage, do that 3 or 4 times and its worth it, versus just bouncing 4 times in a row. I am sure I will do the same with my OBJ 140 once I grind it out. Sometimes I expect to do half damage minus armor with HE, sometimes I expect them to pen. Most of my tanks run at about 33% of each ammo type. Probably a little more standard than anything else. I dont see how you can assume people dont purposefully  load HE rounds for lightly armored tanks. I do it all the time. I load HE for all kinds of situations. The real danger here is taking that away. 

 

And I am not trying to face up on a heavy and have my already measly 100 damage reduced to 50 or less.


Edited by comradekillshot, Oct 18 2019 - 19:20.


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By removing HE pen it removes complexity and fun from the game.

 

When you shoot HE you are giving up pen to gain damage. You get rewarded for knowing which tanks you can pen with HE.

 

Removing it dumbs down the whole game.

 

If they do it I will stop spending money on the game, and maybe even stop playing.



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What would this game play like if vehicle stats were RW?

 

Also, open topped vehicles like the Skorpion and Scorpion wouldn't they take more damage and crew injury?

Also also wik, I've read the HE usually causes much spalling inside the vehicle.  Will this mean the meta to change and more spall liners and premium med kitsch?

Gudentag herr fraud

 







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