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MajorDoozy #21 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:04

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View Post_PoliticallyIncorrect, on Oct 18 2019 - 14:56, said:

Wait so T49's won't be able to break half of my modules with a side shot? I'm ok with this. 

That's the theory.



Superheavy_Metal #22 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:07

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Had no Problem with Type 5 Nurf then i have no problem with this nurf

 

Start gitting gud with ap guns



MajorDoozy #23 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:11

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View PostSuperheavy_Metal, on Oct 18 2019 - 15:07, said:

Had no Problem with Type 5 Nurf then i have no problem with this nurf

 

Start gitting gud with ap guns

You either don't know how to read, or you're just oblivious. I know my weakspots and I know how to play the game. That ain't a problem.



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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 18 2019 - 18:51, said:

I have played on the sandbox server, and I believe that I have done enough testing to come to a conclusion on this entire test.

 

Wargaming, what the hell are you thinking??? Let's take a look at how you will be causing further imbalance in the game with an HE nerf:

 

  1. Tanks that rely on HE guns as their best guns (M4 Sherman, Pz. IV H, KV-2, Hetzer, FV4005/FV215b 183, T49, Sheridan, and others not listed) will be rendered completely useless. 
  2. Eliminating the ability of most tanks in the game to one-shot an artillery (forcing them to use AP/APCR/HEAT to do more damage than an HE shell would do, and also you're not nerfing arty shells).
  3. Completely dismantling wheeled vehicles' abilities to effectively fight other light tanks (removing HE penetration and reducing damage).
  4. Allowing smaller guns to do more damage to heavily armored vehicles (this is beyond unrealistic and allows for players to spam MORE HE when they can't pen a tank, encouraging players not to learn to flank and get better shots, rather encouraging them to sit there, spam HE, do 4 shots-worth of HE damage, and die uselessly.)
  5. Encouraging the use of more gold rounds (This is the LAST thing we need to be doing. HE was a somewhat usable alternative to using gold rounds, and with a nerf to them, there will be even more gold rounds flying, and more people will get upset and leave.)
  6. With the proposed health increase for all tanks in the game, this further compounds an HE shell's irrelevance/inefficiency by indirectly reducing the amount of damage it does by increasing all tanks' health bars.
  7. If it doesn't encourage players to fire gold rounds, it encourages them to play more brainlessly by firing the most ineffective round in their arsenal.

 

HE does not need to be nerfed, Wargaming. Will it need a small tweak later? Maybe. Can we not focus on tweaking gold rounds first? That makes a whole lot more sense to me. If you carry out these changes to HE shells, I believe I speak on behalf of a lot of your player base when I say, that we will not be playing your game anymore. A, focus on gold rounds first, B, focus on other needs the game has, then C, trash the HE changes, and if it is still a problem, worry about it when the time comes! STOP TRYING TO NERF ASPECTS OF THE GAME THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ANGRY ABOUT!

 

1. Simply not true. HESH is not affected. Most of tanks you mention can still reliably use other type of ammo. It need change to half your crew is no killed by those OP HE tanks.

2. Not true again, standard round will do more damage soon.

3. Yes, it is needed. Thank god.

4. That's a good thing, not bad.

5. umm, no again. Changes are happening to all ammo types.

6.Again, changed to all types of ammo.

7. Maybe for you.

 

You are simply delusional in my opinion.



HeraldricKnight #25 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:19

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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 18 2019 - 18:51, said:

 

  1. Encouraging the use of more gold rounds (This is the LAST thing we need to be doing. HE was a somewhat usable alternative to using gold rounds, and with a nerf to them, there will be even more gold rounds flying, and more people will get upset and leave.)
  2. If it doesn't encourage players to fire gold rounds, it encourages them to play more brainlessly by firing the most ineffective round in their arsenal.

 

 Make up your mind. Does it make people fire more HE or more Gold?

 

Way to also threaten War Gaming by acting like you speak for the player base. I'm sure they'll be intimidated by autistic screeching. Top Kek. 



Markd73 #26 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:24

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 19:34, said:


Five to seven threads about the same thing is not giving feedback. It's spam. Especially if it contains autistic screeching like this particular thread has.

 

I can see both sides of this argument, but calling a thread as "autistic screeching" doesn't actually help the conversation.

 

 



N0Tsure #27 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 21:31

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Wargaming, please don't ruin derp guns.....sure, make HE more reliable, that's fine, but if you nerf HE like planned it'll decimate derp tanks and require a TON of balancing.  

JEDIDIEUGH #28 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 22:05

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lol this buff was needed. The no skill HE meta needed to go ages ago.

the_dude_76 #29 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 22:11

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 13:07, said:

 

I can simply report it for spam and have it locked. 

 

You can report it but it's not going to be locked. Or you can just ignore it and stop acting like the thing you're accusing everyone else of being...

 

Pretty sure there is no one acting more butt hurt than you



MajorDoozy #30 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 22:14

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View PostJEDIDIEUGH, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:05, said:

lol this buff was needed. The no skill HE meta needed to go ages ago.

I can ASSURE you, there are plenty of other things in the game that need addressing MUCH more than HE shells. And this approach to nerfing HE shells is completely mental, and will destabilize the game further than it already is.



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 15:19, said:

 

 Make up your mind. Does it make people fire more HE or more Gold?

 

Way to also threaten War Gaming by acting like you speak for the player base. I'm sure they'll be intimidated by autistic screeching. Top Kek. 

I can only imagine what is going through your head right now looking like this:

 

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Edited by MajorDoozy, Oct 18 2019 - 22:26.


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View PostSilentslayer99, on Oct 18 2019 - 13:00, said:

HESH isn't affected yet. $@!#barn and Deathstar will be fine.


Not for long, if they have their way about it.  It will ultimately make all heshy vehicles almost worthless especially the deathstar and 4005.



MajorDoozy #33 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 22:34

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View PostHOTA_CHATON, on Oct 18 2019 - 16:30, said:


Not for long, if they have their way about it.  It will ultimately make all heshy vehicles almost worthless especially the deathstar and 4005.

The proposed change to the 4005 and 183 is to give it 1440 AP alpha damage, and 480 HE damage. 



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Yeah, I’m not a fan of this new meta from the good idea fairy. I love playing my KV2. Because when your night has just gone to crap, you wanna derp  a [edited]in the face. 

OneEyedJackel #35 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 23:17

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WORST IDEA EVER ...WG WHAT FN IDIOTS DRIVE MORE PEOPLE AWAY 

 



papawx3 #36 Posted Oct 18 2019 - 23:26

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You know what? If and when they do this, that will just about do it for me. A good portion of the "fun" vehicles in my garage will just sit. What is the point to this game anymore, I mean I get that the Russian's love affair with suffering transfers over into this game to a point, but I do not play this game for the same reasons that they do obviously. I am tired of grinding tanks, just to have them ruined by "rebalancing" as soon as they arrive in my garage. I will sell my account {at a huge discount, because no one wants to buy WOT accounts anymore for the reason stated above} and move on to something else.

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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 18 2019 - 19:56, said:

Do we really need another thread about this? My god the melodrama is real. 

 

Why go in a thread that causes you so much irritation?  If you do, why respond to it?

 

Next time you see a thread that has something to do with the HE nerf, do not click on it!



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1. I'm for Wargaming "normalizing" HE more, so no more "no damage" shots, and no more 15 Damage shots.

 

2. I'm for them "nerfing" the massive derps, for example, just yesterday in either my TVP 50/51 or Standard B, I was FULL HP Derped 1800 Damage by a **** Barn.

That shouldn't happen, especially at T10.

 

3. I'm NOT for them nerfing, for example, the T49's Derp, max possible it doing like 1100 when really lucky generally on some tanks "butt", though generally it's 800-900 when you're lucky.

Most of the time you're doing 200-300 damage against tanks, even Lights.  Thus nerfing the T49's HE is stupid town.  It was already nerfed to crap with the Great Physics Nerf which slowed down its speed, and the 2 Gun nerfs that's also occurred since then ruining its accuracy.  As well, when you previously reworked HE focusing on HE with Arty, though affecting ALL tanks, it was nerfed then too.

 

4. If you're nerfing HE damage, you need to BUFF tank characteristics... to compensate for the nerf.  Buff their Power/Acceleration and Buff Gun characteristics.

 

5. So, I'm for the overall "buffing" of HE's "reliability", but the nerfing of damage should be "tank by tank" and other buffs should occur to compensate.



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View PostInquisitive_Spaniard, on Oct 18 2019 - 13:40, said:

Yeah, I’m not a fan of this new meta from the good idea fairy. I love playing my KV2. Because when your night has just gone to crap, you wanna derp  a [edited]in the face. 

That's the thing. If you're night has gone to crap, it can be because of a variety of things, arty, rng, high alpha HE guns, etc. etc. 

Basically what you're saying is that if you're not having a good time, you're going to make sure someone else doesn't have a good time which is totally destructive to the playerbase. Removing some of the issues that cause the rage is better for the game as a whole.



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View Postleeuniverse, on Oct 18 2019 - 14:46, said:

 

3. I'm NOT for them nerfing, for example, the T49's Derp, max possible it doing like 1100 when really lucky generally on some tanks "butt", though generally it's 800-900 when you're lucky.

Most of the time you're doing 200-300 damage against tanks, even Lights.  Thus nerfing the T49's HE is stupid town.  It was already nerfed to crapwith the Great Physics Nerf which slowed down it's speed, and the 2 Gun nerfs that's also occurred since then ruining it's accuracy.  As well, when you previously reworked HE, it was nerfed then too.

 

The T49 has a really competitive stock gun that is in many ways better than the 152 derp gun, but if for whatever reason you decide to use the derp gun, the tank still has 152 mm HEAT pen. Now instead of spamming HE only, you have to think about your ammo loadout. These HE changes look like they are giving the players more options to think about their ammo choice rather than learning that one ammo type suits all. If the changes do make it past the sandbox and onto the live server, the game will be better off because of it.


Edited by JEDIDIEUGH, Oct 19 2019 - 01:25.






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