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MajorDoozy #1 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 04:55

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This is for those of you who believe that the DeathStar and S***Barn are safe from the HE nerf.

 

 

 

https://gyazo.com/d85126746adf06fedeab8cb84f78827d

 

EDIT: I don't have these tanks, so it doesn't matter to me either way. This is just to educate those who didn't know.


Edited by MajorDoozy, Oct 21 2019 - 05:10.


VillainousButler #2 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:09

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Today is a good day.



Unk3mpt #3 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:11

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How much was that black market, Death-star special, again?

I_QQ_4_U #4 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:13

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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 21 2019 - 04:55, said:

This is for those of you who believe that the DeathStar and S***Barn are safe from the HE nerf.

 

 

 

https://gyazo.com/d85126746adf06fedeab8cb84f78827d

 

EDIT: I don't have these tanks, so it doesn't matter to me either way. This is just to educate those who didn't know.

 

 

Who said they were? Only class currently not subject to the HE test are SPG's.



MajorDoozy #5 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:15

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Oct 20 2019 - 23:13, said:

 

 

Who said they were? Only class currently not subject to the HE test are SPG's.

I've seen quite a few uneducated people making posts saying stuff kinda like this: "they're not even testing HESH so the death star and 4005 are fine"



JakeTheMystic #6 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:25

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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 20 2019 - 19:15, said:

I've seen quite a few uneducated people making posts saying stuff kinda like this: "they're not even testing HESH so the death star and 4005 are fine"

 

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 NOTE: We're currently testing the mechanics for dealing damage with HE shells only for regular tanks. This does not apply to SPG rounds or HESH. We will test them in a separate iteration, but only if we receive positive results from the current Sandbox tests.

 

They removed the HESH rounds from the test server because what would be the point in having the test if everyone was just going to keep spamming HESH. What you have in the screenshot is the AP/HE value when its usually AP/HESH/HE. So no, they aren't testing HESH right now but yes it's going to be changed after they work out the HE nonsense. 



MajorDoozy #7 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:29

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 20 2019 - 23:25, said:

 

 

They removed the HESH rounds from the test server because what would be the point in having the test if everyone was just going to keep spamming HESH. What you have in the screenshot is the AP/HE value when its usually AP/HESH/HE. So no, they aren't testing HESH right now but yes it's going to be changed after they work out the HE nonsense. 

Either way you swing it, both FV tanks are screwed, both their HE and HESH shells. They wouldn't increase the alpha damage of the AP shell by that big of a margin unless they planned to nerf the HESH/HE shells.


Edited by MajorDoozy, Oct 21 2019 - 05:30.


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You haven't slept since hearing about this HE garbage have you major?

MajorDoozy #9 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 05:39

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View Post_PoliticallyIncorrect, on Oct 20 2019 - 23:36, said:

You haven't slept since hearing about this HE garbage have you major?

Oh I have. This part doesn't bother me. What bothers me, is that there are ignorant forum-dwellers that keep saying "the fv 4005 and death star aren't going to get nerfed". Like, no, just look at the proof lol



JakeTheMystic #10 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 08:12

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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 20 2019 - 19:29, said:

Either way you swing it, both FV tanks are screwed, both their HE and HESH shells. They wouldn't increase the alpha damage of the AP shell by that big of a margin unless they planned to nerf the HESH/HE shells.

 

True

 

It's also a good way to make a bunch of people rage quit considering they spent time and/or money to get those tanks; The 183 before it was removed and turned into a reward tank, or the literal premium KV-2 ®

 

 



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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 20 2019 - 23:12, said:

 

True

 

It's also a good way to make a bunch of people rage quit considering they spent time and/or money to get those tanks; The 183 before it was removed and turned into a reward tank, or the literal premium KV-2 ®

 

 

 

No ones going to leave that wasn't already going to be leaving anyways. NA is gradually losing players each year but so far there isn't really anything that has happened to have a mass exodus of players. They will be angry and rant but will continue playing. If OP premiums and reward tanks didn't do it yet on top of having to deal with 3/5/7 MM for 6+ months, nothing is going to do it. 

 

Also they can and will be nerfing the premium KV-2R along with the normal one if the changes go into affect. People that don't think they can do it for legal reasons are super naive since the KV-2R came out years after they updated their ToS to allow for changes of any and all premium vehicles after purchase. 



JakeTheMystic #12 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 09:42

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View PostNeutronRaptor, on Oct 20 2019 - 22:28, said:

No ones going to leave that wasn't already going to be leaving anyways. NA is gradually losing players each year but so far there isn't really anything that has happened to have a mass exodus of players. They will be angry and rant but will continue playing. If OP premiums and reward tanks didn't do it yet on top of having to deal with 3/5/7 MM for 6+ months, nothing is going to do it. 

 

Also they can and will be nerfing the premium KV-2R along with the normal one if the changes go into affect. People that don't think they can do it for legal reasons are super naive since the KV-2R came out years after they updated their ToS to allow for changes of any and all premium vehicles after purchase. 

 

> Certain updates and events can cause players to leave the game at an increased rate than usual. Things like the release of the V4, Type 5, arty changes, ect all saw a larger drop in player count than usual. On the other hand, things like frontline brought some more back, but its still an overall downward trend. 

 

This is the first time they have done extreme changes to the game, not only affecting the meta or simple mechanics like how the tanks drive on different terrain, climbing, ect. This time they aren't only killing derp tanks, but they are trying to force a shift towards a heavy meta that just hasnt been around for years because of certain new maps along with poor attempts at updating the old maps, forcing the game into a more heavium/medium meta. 

 

>As for the KV-2®, yes its in the TOS, that doesn't mean it overrides consumer protection laws. That's the thing about law, any good lawyer could argue one way or another. Is it worth suing a multi-million dollar company over a few hundred (or even couple thousand), most likely no. What people can do, is contact their bank (or more likely, paypal) and request a refund. WG would lock the players account but hey, they get their money back. There is a certain time frame that changes from time to time, usually just deemed as "whatever is reasonable" so its a case-by-case basis. Some got their money back for 2 years of play while others only got back purchases from the last month. 

 

I don't plan on going down that route, maybe the game will change in the future and I'll return. Until then, I'll just stop playing. I wouldn't be surprised if some did seek refunds though. 



tanopasman62 #13 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 10:46

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 21 2019 - 08:12, said:

 

True

 

It's also a good way to make a bunch of people rage quit considering they spent time and/or money to get those tanks; The 183 before it was removed and turned into a reward tank, or the literal premium KV-2 ®

 

 

 

Not only KV-2 ® but EBR 75 FL as well, that thing is only strong because of its HE, and I don't think they'll want to hand over millions in refunds across all servers.

 

They've put themselves on a situation where they either cancel the changes, get into a big poop-storm over refunds or get into the biggest poop-storm of all times by leaving them as they are while nerfing everything else.



CynicalDutchie #14 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 11:51

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Too bad that's only the standard HE shell getting nerfed, the AP and HESH shell will remain as is unfortunately. 

Blackstone #15 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 12:16

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Let's keep in mid the HE round nerf is still in the test stages. There's a lot of stuff that's been tested and never made it to a patch. Let's hope this is one of them. 

I've NEVER heard of anyone on the forums ever say that HE needs to be nerfed, or in game for that matter. WG saying HE needs damage reduction is a bald face lie.



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Here is a weird thing ... I clicked on sell to see how much I would get for the Death Star and its zero credits .. would only get credits back for the sale of the ammunition. What on earth?? 

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Oct 21 2019 - 11:51, said:

Too bad that's only the standard HE shell getting nerfed, the AP and HESH shell will remain as is unfortunately. 

 

 

For now. I believe they said they will be looking at HESH and SPG HE later.



HeraldricKnight #18 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 16:03

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View PostMajorDoozy, on Oct 21 2019 - 04:29, said:

Either way you swing it, both FV tanks are screwed, both their HE and HESH shells. They wouldn't increase the alpha damage of the AP shell by that big of a margin unless they planned to nerf the HESH/HE shells.

 

Then shoot the AP shells instead... 



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View PostBlackstone, on Oct 21 2019 - 12:16, said:

I've NEVER heard of anyone on the forums ever say that HE needs to be nerfed, or in game for that matter. WG saying HE needs damage reduction is a bald face lie.

 

Lots of complaints on the Russian forum/server, hence the proposed changes. Same reason the obj 430/obj 430U nerfs never happened.

 

WG products = Russian Bias.



Mancu #20 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 16:20

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The HE nerf appears to be WGs way of convicing player to shoot more gold rounds. Thus making tanks less profitable and encouraging players to buy premium time rather than play F2P.





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