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porsche97 #21 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 17:06

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 21 2019 - 08:12, said:

 

True

 

It's also a good way to make a bunch of people rage quit considering they spent time and/or money to get those tanks; The 183 before it was removed and turned into a reward tank, or the literal premium KV-2 ®

 

 

I can't believe I wasted money to free xp the FV4005 and I feel sorry for everyone who bought the FV183b. They nerfed the FV4005 thanks to it's HESH and now they're gonna nerf HESH and HE so the FV4005 is pretty much useless now 


Edited by porsche97, Oct 21 2019 - 17:08.


jamesdoz #22 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 17:19

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View PostUnk3mpt, on Oct 20 2019 - 23:11, said:

How much was that black market, Death-star special, again?

IDK, I got both the old fashioned way. 



philb990 #23 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 17:29

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I'm now glad I didn't buy the 183.

 



ArcticTankHunter #24 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 18:06

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They need to remove gold rounds then and buff FV4005 speed the way it suppose to be. A heavy hitting mobile tank destroyer.

Edited by ArcticTankHunter, Oct 21 2019 - 18:06.


CynicalDutchie #25 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 18:42

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View PostBlackstone, on Oct 21 2019 - 12:16, said:

Let's keep in mid the HE round nerf is still in the test stages. There's a lot of stuff that's been tested and never made it to a patch. Let's hope this is one of them. 

I've NEVER heard of anyone on the forums ever say that HE needs to be nerfed, or in game for that matter. WG saying HE needs damage reduction is a bald face lie.

 

It's the bald faced truth, HE is toxic as hell.



philb990 #26 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 18:56

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Oct 21 2019 - 12:42, said:

 

It's the bald faced truth, HE is toxic as hell.

Agreed, but that's what got me the FV4005 in the first place. If you can't beat them join them mentality :)

 



CynicalDutchie #27 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 18:59

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View Postphilb990, on Oct 21 2019 - 18:56, said:

Agreed, but that's what got me the FV4005 in the first place. If you can't beat them join them mentality :)

 

 

And now T10 is a complete sh*tfest because of all the HE guns running around among other things



gideon_an #28 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 19:00

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 21 2019 - 00:25, said:

They removed the HESH rounds from the test server because what would be the point in having the test if everyone was just going to keep spamming HESH. What you have in the screenshot is the AP/HE value when its usually AP/HESH/HE. So no, they aren't testing HESH right now but yes it's going to be changed after they work out the HE nonsense. 


Of course that is telling when you have the HESH removed because no one would fire HE. Normal logic process is if if no one is choosing HE over HESH then there is a problem.

I've seen gameplay of the Type 5 doing 300-30 per shot. The Reload was not buffed to reflect that. Dez Gaming has a game titled "990 DPM" for those wondering. Is 900 DPM viable? So the gun will not be used because 900 DPM is not playable.

So where are the plusses of no one using that gun? Do I get 50K free experience for the gun? What about 50K for the T49 howitzer? I unlocked them and they aren't playable do I get the free experience back? SU-152 wouldn't be playable how much exp back from that? Does everyone that has a tech tree KV-2 have to buy a KV-2® to play it un nerfed? Do they get that KV-2® free as compensation?



philb990 #29 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 19:02

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Oct 21 2019 - 12:59, said:

 

And now T10 is a complete sh*tfest because of all the HE guns running around among other things

Yeah, but again, they nerfed the type heavies, the 183 and fv are the only one left that relies on HE to kill a tank.

I think by nerfing the HE rounds, they will be essentially removed from the game by being irrelevant

 



CynicalDutchie #30 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 19:09

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View Postphilb990, on Oct 21 2019 - 19:02, said:

Yeah, but again, they nerfed the type heavies, the 183 and fv are the only one left that relies on HE to kill a tank.

I think by nerfing the HE rounds, they will be essentially removed from the game by being irrelevant

 

 

Lets hope. The fewer HE guns/high tier TDs the better the gameplay gets.



gideon_an #31 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 20:46

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Oct 21 2019 - 14:09, said:

Lets hope. The fewer HE guns/high tier TDs the better the gameplay gets.


Think about the vacuum. All HE gone. What then? Gold spam increased drastically?

There goes the mediums and heavys without Russian based deflection fields. Earlies and Chieftains lording over all the other tanks. Then what is done to fight the unpennable tanks? You took away the tool to fight them. And other tanks will just see their armor negated by all gold load outs.



JakeTheMystic #32 Posted Oct 21 2019 - 20:57

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View Postgideon_an, on Oct 21 2019 - 09:00, said:


Of course that is telling when you have the HESH removed because no one would fire HE. Normal logic process is if if no one is choosing HE over HESH then there is a problem.

I've seen gameplay of the Type 5 doing 300-30 per shot. The Reload was not buffed to reflect that. Dez Gaming has a game titled "990 DPM" for those wondering. Is 900 DPM viable? So the gun will not be used because 900 DPM is not playable.

So where are the plusses of no one using that gun? Do I get 50K free experience for the gun? What about 50K for the T49 howitzer? I unlocked them and they aren't playable do I get the free experience back? SU-152 wouldn't be playable how much exp back from that? Does everyone that has a tech tree KV-2 have to buy a KV-2® to play it un nerfed? Do they get that KV-2® free as compensation?

 

This is the most valid argument I have heard towards the nerfs. I haven't even thought about the Type 5 since it only loads HE and 900 is atrocious. 



gideon_an #33 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 01:52

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 21 2019 - 15:57, said:

This is the most valid argument I have heard towards the nerfs. I haven't even thought about the Type 5 since it only loads HE and 900 is atrocious. 


Ummmm I don't know if you read that correctly. 900 DPM not 900 damage. It takes 3-4 shots to get to that 900 damage not 900 per shot.

It was getting around 50-250 dmg per shot when Dez of Dez Gaming was playing it. Can you even find another tank in the game with 900 DPM?



CynicalDutchie #34 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 10:17

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View Postgideon_an, on Oct 22 2019 - 01:52, said:


Ummmm I don't know if you read that correctly. 900 DPM not 900 damage. It takes 3-4 shots to get to that 900 damage not 900 per shot.

It was getting around 50-250 dmg per shot when Dez of Dez Gaming was playing it. Can you even find another tank in the game with 900 DPM?

 

That HE gun should have never been added in the first place.



gideon_an #35 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 21:15

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The thing that gets me is why is the Type 5 Heavy's main gun only 600 and not 750. It has a reload consistent with a 750 damage and there are plenty of other tanks that do 750 for that load time.





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