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HE CHANGES ARE NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK!


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The_War_Master_2019 #1 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 05:12

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At first I thought the HE nerf was going to be a good one, then I downloaded the sandbox server to try it....

 

Boy was I wrong. Some of the most memed and iconic tanks in the game are ruined. This includes the KV2. So many times did I fire HE and I didn't even CT a tank, and do 0 damage. The AP in a KV2 is terrible, even the gold round is mediocre. What happens to players who own the KV2R? I'm glad I never bought that thing. 

 

What's worse is that the Sherman tanks, Pz4h, kv1, kv1s, hetzer, and any other low tier derp tanks have become unbalanced and ridiculously OP as everyone slings the HEAT rounds at you for 350 damage or more at a time. Even with the HP buffs, you are dead in 3 hits or less depending on your tank. 

 

I like everything about the sandbox test EXCEPT the HE nerf. This will not help new players. This will not bring more people to the game, in fact, people will leave because some of the most fun tanks are ruined. Save the HE. Derping won't even be as much of an issue since all vehicles are getting an HP buff anyway. This will only hurt the game.

 

And for you arty players....if they go through with this HE nerf, YOU'RE NEXT



ChaseR392 #2 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 05:50

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Exactly....

 

     Going on the information we have currently.... this is a stupid idea. It totally neuters the KV-2.... which just about everybody enjoys as a "fun tank". And if you are an experienced player who enjoys a derp tank with a good HEAT round? Well, you'll just sling HEAT instead of HE and carry on. Experienced players can afford to HEAT-spam, this only hurts newer and FTP players.... which ironically are probably the ones crying about being one-shot.

 

To those players who are salty about the mean KV-2 at Tier 6? All I can say is this.... if you can't time its 20 second re-loads or dodge the exploding garbage cans it lobs in your general direction.... how on earth are you going to be able to deal with 750 alpha TDs (which you will see in your Tier 6 tank)?

 

 



Apache1990 #3 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 05:56

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I'm pretty sure the damage numbers are for testing the mechanic only, rather than actual balance (particularly combined with the HP and standard ammo damage increase).  It wouldn't really make sense to have high caliber HE only deal scratch damage.

3nr0n #4 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 06:01

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Dez shows that a Type 5 heavy has 990 DPM so why would anyone want to grind that line?:amazed:



I_QQ_4_U #5 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 06:03

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I have not seen many say it's good and it's a freaking test ffs.

Avalon304 #6 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 07:00

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Its exactly as good as I think it is, especially after having played on sandbox.

JakeTheMystic #7 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 08:55

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Can we get an F in chat for anyone who spent time, money, and resources to get the iconic derp guns of the game. 

 

I've got the KV-2®, ground the 183 before they turned it into a reward tank and now the Type 5 is getting reduced to the dpm of a tier 1/2 tank. I would need serious compensation to even consider playing this game if the changes roll out, not just the HE but premium ammo as well. 

 

It's just a massive joke at this point, but its at least 6 months late to be an April fools joke... 



alphadogg64 #8 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 10:41

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View Post3nr0n, on Oct 22 2019 - 05:01, said:

Dez shows that a Type 5 heavy has 990 DPM so why would anyone want to grind that line?:amazed:

 

Don't be an idiot.



Marcus_Aurelius66 #9 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 11:11

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If this ends up as a change to the game I'm gone simple as that. For the second time WG!!!!!! Last time you [edited] with the Gold ammo and the camouflage and I left sold my account and got out. I restarted from tier one in the hope that you have finally fixed it, well it was tolerable until this! Go on try me again, I dare you!

Major_Duke #10 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 11:18

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I can't wait for the HE changes, I play my Skorpion, SU-130 PM  and Lorraine and Hate being hit by HE, so this will make my tanks MUCH stronger and I hope so much these changes apply to Arty as well.  This will be the best changes in the game for my play style and basically what I see WG doing with the HE and APCR changes is forcing people to play the game the right way, by using aiming skills!  Nice job WG!!!

Whistling_Death_ #11 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 11:50

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View PostMajor_Duke, on Oct 22 2019 - 05:18, said:

I can't wait for the HE changes, I play my Skorpion, SU-130 PM  and Lorraine and Hate being hit by HE, so this will make my tanks MUCH stronger and I hope so much these changes apply to Arty as well.  This will be the best changes in the game for my play style and basically what I see WG doing with the HE and APCR changes is forcing people to play the game the right way, by using aiming skills!  Nice job WG!!!

 

Destroying all the many tanks with a large caliber howitzer is downright stupid and will ruin the game.  For all the players that spent their precious time, money and effort obtaining those tanks, to be suddenly gutted and ruined, no one will stand for that and thousands of players will quit the game.  

 

Your thinly armored TD's are not for brawling.  You are supposed to use them in a stealthy way, taking advantage of their high concealment ratings to fire on enemy tanks without being seen. 



TornadoADV #12 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 12:34

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God forbid you use the 76/75s or the 107s! (Or the 140mm on the Type 5.)

HeraldricKnight #13 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 12:37

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Wargaming is testing the HE mechanics across the board. They're not addressing individual tanks at the moment. For the love of all that's holy, it's a TEST you melodramatic whiners. 

Blackstone #14 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 12:38

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Notice how it's mostly the unicum players that SUPPORT the HE changes, while the rest of us DON'T support them?

Interesting, isn't it? 

So, a select minority of players (unicums) want to ruin the fun for the rest of the player-base (the vast majority of players).

I guess the unicums want to make WoT a game just for THEM and not for...ya know...everybody else.

Good job! You're on your way to drive even more players away from a game that's already dwindling in popularity! What a stupid idea! 



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View PostHeraldricKnight, on Oct 22 2019 - 06:37, said:

Wargaming is testing the HE mechanics across the board. They're not addressing individual tanks at the moment. For the love of all that's holy, it's a TEST you melodramatic whiners. 

..and let's hope the feedback is negative so this completely stupid idea is dead and buried.



HeraldricKnight #16 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 12:42

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View PostBlackstone, on Oct 22 2019 - 11:39, said:

..and let's hope the feedback is negative so this completely stupid idea is dead and buried.


I hope the changes stick so low caliber HE is worth using. The changes are a net benefit so far, despite what you and the other Chicken Littles think. 



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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Oct 22 2019 - 02:55, said:

Can we get an F in chat for anyone who spent time, money, and resources to get the iconic derp guns of the game. 

 

I've got the KV-2®, ground the 183 before they turned it into a reward tank and now the Type 5 is getting reduced to the dpm of a tier 1/2 tank. I would need serious compensation to even consider playing this game if the changes roll out, not just the HE but premium ammo as well. 

 

It's just a massive joke at this point, but its at least 6 months late to be an April fools joke... 


have a look at the Cruiser II on the sandbox. It's a sad, sad situation. 



D8W2P4 #18 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 13:11

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View PostBlackstone, on Oct 22 2019 - 06:38, said:

Notice how it's mostly the unicum players that SUPPORT the HE changes, while the rest of us DON'T support them?

Blueboy here that's used some HE chuckers, correct your tone IMMEDIATELY.



jeb2 #19 Posted Oct 22 2019 - 14:01

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I wonder if WG folk properly weigh the value in DIFFERENCES between tanks as a contributor to game success.

 

I still go back and play the M4 once in a while simply because it is NOT like all the other mediums I have.

 

Same for Luchs with its autocannon.

 

Take away the derp, and one major DIFFERENCE is gone, weakening the game overall.



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I must be a super genius or something, because I have a much easier way to "balance" all the ammo:

 

1.) Dump all these wacky HP and damage changes.

2.) Gold ammo now does only 50% of the alpha of standard ammo.

3.) HE stays as is and is given a "minimum roll" number that is equal to the caliber of the gun firing it (90mm guns do 90 damage minimum with HE). This solves WG's "dilemma" of HE sometimes doing no damage.

 

This change as is absolutely ruins previously fun tanks (KV2, etc) while also making paper tanks like the Skorp even stronger.






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