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coconut2011 #141 Posted Nov 12 2019 - 18:28

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Whether WG's loot box is gambling will always be a "debate" without actually going to court.  However, WG's way of covering its tracks (i.e. at least giving base amount of gold / silver) make it very unlikely a target for lawsuits.  After all, lawyers need to consider their chance of winning.  It also entices whales thinking they got their money's worth, while in fact the valuation of gold and silver is all up to WG's formula.

 

And if you do spend money on this game, then the best deals the entire year are the Christmas lootboxes.

 



Bonfor #142 Posted Nov 12 2019 - 19:26

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View PostNooobinator, on Nov 12 2019 - 07:14, said:

 

I don't know how anyone could ever advocate for THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in our frigging video games.

 

For the love of freedom and liberty what has our culture come to when we believe that it is good to involve THE GOVERNMENT in our games. 

 

Do you seriously want some government bureaucracy telling you what you can and can't buy in a video game? 

 

 

 

 

 

It looks like a number of game companies are making proactive changes so that the US government doesn't step in to regulate them.  Publishing the odds, oddly enough, was one of the things being considered in the bill introduced in Congress this last year, so game companies are already putting that into motion.

 

Per Wikipedia.org:

 

The FTC held a public hearing on loot boxes on August 7, 2019, addressing industry representative and reviewing public comments submitted prior to the meeting.[190][191][192] During the meeting, ESA representatives stated that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are working on developing requirements for new or updated games using loot boxes, published on their respective console systems, to disclose the odds for items from loot boxes. Other publishers within the ESA, including Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Bethesda, Bungie, Electronic Arts, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Warner Bros., and Wizards of the Coast, also stated they are committed to doing the same for other gaming platforms such as on personal computers, as to align with the existing requirements for the iOS App Store and Google Play mobile platforms. These efforts are expected to be in place before the end of 2020, according to the ESA.[193][194]Nintendo issued a new policy the next day to reflect the statement made to the FTC, requiring loot box odds to be published for all new and updated games on its systems, and assuring such games with in-game purchases could be regulated by parents on their Nintendo Switch Online app.[195]Epic Games affirmed they would also follow similar policies as adopted by the ESA and other publishers, already having taken steps to eliminate loot boxes from Fortnite, Rocket League and other games in its portfolio.[196]



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View PostNooobinator, on Nov 12 2019 - 09:58, said:

 

I never depend on the government for information. That is almost an oxymoron. I am a Libertarian by nature and believe that government should be limited to very few areas of administration and that does not include the games I play. 

 

 

No more FDA approved foods for you... or warning labels.



Tao_Te_Tomato #144 Posted Nov 13 2019 - 17:30

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View PostBadCorps, on Nov 13 2019 - 16:04, said:

No more FDA approved foods for you... or warning labels.

 

Because Thalidomide worked out so well with that approval it had, right?

 

I expect that the loot boxes will at least replenish my gold stocks and some other goodies, at below-market rates.  It'd be nice if there were a new tank or two in the mix, but I'm not counting on it.  To be honest, I don't play a lot of the ones I have now anyway.



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View PostTao_Te_Tomato, on Nov 13 2019 - 10:30, said:

 

Because Thalidomide worked out so well with that approval it had, right?

Lest we forget asbestos! Or radium clocks. Or those E. Coli outbreaks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Jack in the Box is not approved by the FDA, eat at your own risk


Edited by BadCorps, Nov 14 2019 - 16:22.


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View PostBadCorps, on Nov 14 2019 - 16:19, said:

Lest we forget asbestos! Or radium clocks. Or those E. Coli outbreaks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Jack in the Box is not approved by the FDA, eat at your own risk

 

But JITB is soooooo good!  :(



N0Tsure #147 Posted Nov 16 2019 - 05:53

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My god,  the amount of people that want the government to step in and tell them how to spend their money is astonishing. What's ironic, those same people recognize something they don't agree with and instead of just refusing to participate, they want government (the rest of us) to tell them not to partake. 

 

Grow up,  think for yourself. 

 

And most importantly, stay the hell out of my business.  Any "help" from the government (You), isn't wanted. You have nothing to offer me other than restrictions on my liberty.  


Edited by N0Tsure, Nov 16 2019 - 06:11.


Couch986 #148 Posted Nov 16 2019 - 06:57

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View PostTao_Te_Tomato, on Nov 13 2019 - 16:30, said:

 

Because Thalidomide worked out so well with that approval it had, right?

 

I expect that the loot boxes will at least replenish my gold stocks and some other goodies, at below-market rates.  It'd be nice if there were a new tank or two in the mix, but I'm not counting on it.  To be honest, I don't play a lot of the ones I have now anyway.

 

But thalidomide wasn't approved by the FDA without testing, and that's why there were no where near as many babies with thalidomide induced birth defects in the US as there were elsewhere in the early 60s.  I think they gave the FDA guy who refused approval an award.  

 

If you want to harp on regulatory overreach, I'm sure there are examples, but this definitely isn't one.



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In fact, I think this is just a consumer behavior, not really gambling.

Just like you play a game, you enter the casino in the virtual world, but the profit in it will not become a profit in your real world.



spud_tuber #150 Posted Nov 16 2019 - 17:51

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View PostN0Tsure, on Nov 15 2019 - 22:53, said:

My god,  the amount of people that want the government to step in and tell them how to spend their money is astonishing. What's ironic, those same people recognize something they don't agree with and instead of just refusing to participate, they want government (the rest of us) to tell them not to partake. 

 

Grow up,  think for yourself. 

 

And most importantly, stay the hell out of my business.  Any "help" from the government (You), isn't wanted. You have nothing to offer me other than restrictions on my liberty.  

So, government regulation doesn't help you make decisions on the foods you buy,  or the medicines you take, or make sure your cell phone actually works, or your car's warranty is actually honored or that you have access to clean drinking water or that your utility companies aren't able to fully utilize their natural monopolies? 

 

Which isn't to say government doesn't regularly overstep proper bounds.  The US federal government is particularly notorious for using the power of the purse to encourage states to enact regulations the federal government is not constitutionally supposed to be involved in,  for instance. But to say government does nothing for you is particularly naive.



Nooobinator #151 Posted Nov 16 2019 - 19:12

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View Postspud_tuber, on Nov 16 2019 - 11:51, said:

So, government regulation doesn't help you make decisions on the foods you buy,  or the medicines you take, or make sure your cell phone actually works, or your car's warranty is actually honored or that you have access to clean drinking water or that your utility companies aren't able to fully utilize their natural monopolies? 

 

Which isn't to say government doesn't regularly overstep proper bounds.  The US federal government is particularly notorious for using the power of the purse to encourage states to enact regulations the federal government is not constitutionally supposed to be involved in,  for instance. But to say government does nothing for you is particularly naive.

 

Yes, government does many "things" that the "free market" can do better. My preference is for a government that would do nothing for me except national defence, policing and the courts. Unfortunately government has destroyed our free markets with heavy taxation and regulation. You are defending the failed ideology of socialism. 



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View PostNooobinator, on Nov 16 2019 - 12:12, said:

 

Yes, government does many "things" that the "free market" can do better. My preference is for a government that would do nothing for me except national defence, policing and the courts. Unfortunately government has destroyed our free markets with heavy taxation and regulation. You are defending the failed ideology of socialism. 

If we want to throw around words in strawman attacks, I could say you're arguing for the failed ideology of anarchy.  

 

I suspect instead we both prefer something between those 2 extremes



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View Postspud_tuber, on Nov 16 2019 - 13:20, said:

If we want to throw around words in strawman attacks, I could say you're arguing for the failed ideology of anarchy.  

 

I suspect instead we both prefer something between those 2 extremes

 

LOL. A government focused on national defence, policing and the courts would be the exact opposite of anarchy. A government focused on world wide imperial conquest funded by incredible amounts of fiat US$ owed in the TRILLIONS to private banks and mega billionaires is definitely a recipe for anarchy when it collapses. BUT, once it does collapse into bankruptcy like all failed states in history all that will be left is a government focused on national defence, policing and the courts.

 

Our general population has been brainwashed into believing their government is a force for good. Our general population welcomes it's own oppression. Our free $hit army is about to get WOKE and that day is getting close. 

 

I don't need no gubmint telling me how to think. 


Edited by Nooobinator, Nov 16 2019 - 19:44.





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