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Nelyus #1 Posted Nov 15 2019 - 09:21

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Hello,

 

In almost all cases, whatever you do in E50M, the Leopard 1 would have done better; faster reload, less dispersion, better alpha, much better mobility, better view range, better damage per minute, better camouflage, better gun traverse...

...do I have to name everything?

All the E50M gets is a lame armor that even light tanks tier 8 cannons gets trough with ease. While Leopard 1 turret has similar chances to block damage because of its dome shape. Oh, and also E50M has radio range +1m over Leopard 1...

 

Go to garage, compare vehicles; Leopard 1 vs E50M. Notice the Leopard 1 is green almost everywhere over E50M.

 

Even the shell penetration is better for Leopard 1 over E50M;

Leopard 1; 278 APCR / 323 APCR  

E50M;         270 APCR / 330 HEAT   (HEAT is nice but a lot less useful than APCR)

 

I think the E50M needs;

Dispersion dropped to 0.26, like it once had at first. At least 0.28 so it does not let Leopard 1 get everything better over E50M.

Alpha average damage should improve to somewhere in between 408 to 418.

410 Seems fair, considering more and more tier 8 are doing over 400 & Leopard 1 standing at 410 alpha has the same caliber.

Finally, shell penetration increased to 300 for APCR. Maybe 340 for premium. I would definitely prefer a 330 APCR over a 350 HEAT.

(I don't think there are any regular HEAT ammo in WoT, but I would like to see a regular 300 HEAT with premium 330 APCR on E50M)

 

About the turret, I think Masahiro Ito had a good idea; Spaced Armor added to the turret and the sides of the E50M, as the sketches for Revenant Style suggests.

 

Even with if those changes were applied, the Leopard 1 would still have much better mobility, better view range, better reloard / rate of fire, and better damage per minute too. Better gun traverse, better aiming time. And better concealment. Making the Leopard 1 a lot better in all handling aspects over E50M. Wouldn't that sound more fair than Leopard 1 getting almost everything better over E50M?


Edited by Nelyus, Nov 15 2019 - 09:27.


CynicalDutchie #2 Posted Nov 15 2019 - 13:44

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All it really needs is actual turret armor and a RoF increase.

Tupinambis #3 Posted Nov 15 2019 - 14:32

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The E50 and E50M have held up surprisingly well after YEARS of powercreep and neglect. That said, yeah, their schtick of "Medium tanks with actual armor" could use a bit of a tuneup, the turret armor definitely needs some kind of solid work, and the E50M's DPM is unacceptably low at this point.

_Katyusha___ #4 Posted Nov 15 2019 - 16:14

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You are comparing a fake tank that would be rush-produced by a cornered fascist state on ruins with low quality materials with a fine piece of engineering created in collaboration by various countries with 20 more years of technic improvements and still on service on several countries?

 

No "1946" german tank should reach tier X, they fight far superior, decades newer designs (by 1945 allied tanks could defeat them anyway).

 



_mlg_taco_fire_ #5 Posted Nov 15 2019 - 16:26

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a bit excessive with the buffs

 

i played this tank recently to 3 mark it and tbh the tank is great overall

 

no its not the best but it holds up fine if used properly, i was able to consistently do 3k-3.5k+ dpg

 

most people think this tank has too much armor and are overly aggressive, mid range is best since hitting the turret front is near impossible



Apademak #6 Posted Nov 17 2019 - 07:36

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Make it 9 and give us a reviewed 10. because why not???!!!  best thing to do in E50M?

style it "such camo, much wow" load HE only, go go champion!


Edited by Apademak, Nov 17 2019 - 08:08.


Apademak #7 Posted Nov 17 2019 - 07:51

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View Post_mlg_taco_fire_, on Nov 15 2019 - 16:26, said:

a bit excessive with the buffs

 

i played this tank recently to 3 mark it and tbh the tank is great overall

 

no its not the best but it holds up fine if used properly, i was able to consistently do 3k-3.5k+ dpg

 

most people think this tank has too much armor and are overly aggressive, mid range is best since hitting the turret front is near impossible

...try Leopard 1 instead... what's the point to E50M besides trolling?



NeatoMan #8 Posted Nov 17 2019 - 15:57

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And despite all that, the e50m is performing better server wide according to the tank curves (though both are under performing).  Perhaps people are too passive in the Leopard1.

jairogut #9 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 00:26

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View PostNeatoMan, on Nov 17 2019 - 15:57, said:

And despite all that, the e50m is performing better server wide according to the tank curves (though both are under performing).  Perhaps people are too passive in the Leopard1.

It is because, after all the buffs, the Leopard still needs an expert commander. E50M is much more forgiving. 



jairogut #10 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 00:32

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We still love our E50M's and use them a lot in CW. E50M's in-group can kill Russian meds easily if they get close enough to ram. 

 



Hornet_Legion #11 Posted Dec 31 2019 - 02:30

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but you forget the E50m is more survivable versus high explosive.........a very important fact

Hornet_Legion #12 Posted Dec 31 2019 - 02:34

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View Post_Katyusha___, on Nov 15 2019 - 16:14, said:

You are comparing a fake tank that would be rush-produced by a cornered fascist state on ruins with low quality materials with a fine piece of engineering created in collaboration by various countries with 20 more years of technic improvements and still on service on several countries?

 

No "1946" german tank should reach tier X, they fight far superior, decades newer designs (by 1945 allied tanks could defeat them anyway).

 

Truth of the matter is that the leopard 1 would have utterly failed versus soviet armor during the cold war. The soviet tank turret and hull design has virtually remained unchanged since the IS3 and the T54/55. The M48 and M60 would have possibly stood a chance. The M1 Abrams was the first time NATO was able to field a true challenge to soviet armor.



TheJeep1 #13 Posted Feb 07 2020 - 12:10

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German tanks always get screwed.





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