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KillnU_ #21 Posted Nov 17 2019 - 21:16

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View PostDomoSapien, on Nov 15 2019 - 16:55, said:

 

Not trying to detract from your point, just illustrating a potential scenario where some folks might be interested in picking these up. Currency Bundles on the Premium Shop sell pretty well every month so there are in fact people buying Credits outright. As for them having been sold recently, that may be but they are still pretty desirable/competitive. Someone might not have had the funds available or not been paying attention and missed one of those past sales.

But you're absolutely right about the fact that, for your average WoT player, Christmas boxes generally have a better value. Still, the option is there for those who want to pick these up right now, or don't want to take their chances on Giftboxes in December because they only want the one specific vehicle they have in mind. 

 

You're overlooking the main point. Sure, some will find the extras useful. I'd guess mostly newer players who are still doing a lot of grinding. But when someone doesn't want or need the extras, the tanks cost is the cost of the bundle. You keep mentioning desirableness of the tanks and how unreliable xmas loot boxes can be, as if trying to drive up the hype and justify the current offers. The are desirable, sure, that's why we'd even consider breaking out the wallet for 'em. But they're not desirable enough to pay double. (again, if we don't want/need the extras we're paying for the tank)  I was ready to drop $60 on the lt-432 and EBR, or even $80 for lt-432 and Progetto, but WG can't be satisfied with that and they want $70 each. No, thank you. It's a headscratcher for sure, but if WG doesn't want my money I'm happy to comply.


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View PostDomoSapien, on Nov 15 2019 - 11:02, said:


I don't have too much insights into the math and whatnot that goes into coming up with these sales, I suspect it's because they're all extremely sought-after vehicles, and at the end of the day we are a business. By that logic everything we do is motivated by greed because businesses ultimately aim to be profitable. Even giving away the Well-Deserved Reward last November - yeah we gave a bunch of stuff out but there are still business reasons behind it.  


I will say this: these bundle offers might be attractive to someone who wants one of these tanks in particular and doesn't want to roll the dice on Christmas boxes. While the boxes have the best dollar value, if you specifically want, say a Skorpion G it may be more prudent to buy a 70 dollar Skorp G bundle, get a month of Premium + equipment and boosters with it; as opposed to investing the same amount of money in boxes and hoping you'll get the tank that you want. I know 70 bucks is quite a bit of dosh so it's up to you to make an informed decision as to what you feel will provide you with the best value. 

At the end of the day I can imagine being one of the dudes who spends 200 bucks on boxes and doesn't get the tank they wanted most is probably more frustrating. Ultimately, as a consumer it's your right to decide what you want to spend your money on, and if you feel that the bundle options don't justify the cost, well I respect your decision and commend you on your frugality.

 

I am so tired of WG using the same old excuse in that " we are a business". You are indeed a business but your consumer satisfaction track records suck because of the way WG treats customers/consumers. This year WG was supposed to 

A- Buff a few tier ten tanks like the IS-4 just to name one: Result never happened 

B-  In 2018 when we got the Well Deserved Reward WG said "We hope to continue this tradition next year and make it even better. Enjoy your rewards, you deserve them! " : Result never happened 

C-  Halloween event got lots of hype: Result never happened 

D- You preview the EBR for the Frontline episode 10 event: Result, The ebr was not put in the shop for some reason

All of these inconsistent broken promises have made alot of your potential future customers very angry and it seems that you ( you as in WG) have lost sight of what the true goal of a business is. TO SATISFY YOUR CONSUMER BASE not to overcharge for tanks, not to constantly make promises that you later break, not to use the excuse that you are business so you deserve money but to SATISFY THE CONSUMER. You say "  By that logic everything we do is motivated by greed because businesses ultimately aim to be profitable" but you fail to understand that a lot of businesses dont make their pursuit of money as transparent as WG does and this is because alot of business put the customer first. Have you ever heard the phrase that " the customer is always right" your customer service certainly hasn't and I could tell that after I submitted one ticket with a very simple request that they should've easily been able to comply to. Next time you advertise the EBR it should appear on the premium shop, as simple as that no excuses. 



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View Postporsche97, on Nov 17 2019 - 17:42, said:

I am so tired of WG using the same old excuse in that " we are a business". You are indeed a business but your consumer satisfaction track records suck because of the way WG treats customers/consumers. This year WG was supposed to 

A- Buff a few tier ten tanks like the IS-4 just to name one: Result never happened 

B-  In 2018 when we got the Well Deserved Reward WG said "We hope to continue this tradition next year and make it even better. Enjoy your rewards, you deserve them! " : Result never happened 

C-  Halloween event got lots of hype: Result never happened 

D- You preview the EBR for the Frontline episode 10 event: Result, The ebr was not put in the shop for some reason

All of these inconsistent broken promises have made alot of your potential future customers very angry and it seems that you ( you as in WG) have lost sight of what the true goal of a business is. TO SATISFY YOUR CONSUMER BASE not to overcharge for tanks, not to constantly make promises that you later break, not to use the excuse that you are business so you deserve money but to SATISFY THE CONSUMER. You say "  By that logic everything we do is motivated by greed because businesses ultimately aim to be profitable" but you fail to understand that a lot of businesses dont make their pursuit of money as transparent as WG does and this is because alot of business put the customer first. Have you ever heard the phrase that " the customer is always right" your customer service certainly hasn't and I could tell that after I submitted one ticket with a very simple request that they should've easily been able to comply to. Next time you advertise the EBR it should appear on the premium shop, as simple as that no excuses. 

 

Yes, this concept of how to make a company successful ... "Happy Customers" explained by Billionaire Mark Cuban ...



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I for one am glad the P2W 75 FL isn't up for sale, even if the Progetto is only a little less P2W.
And in case someone argues either that either aren't P2W, tell me, is the Lynx as good as the EBR, is the Pantera as good as the Progetto?

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View Postporsche97, on Nov 17 2019 - 17:42, said:

I am so tired of WG using the same old excuse in that " we are a business". You are indeed a business but your consumer satisfaction track records suck because of the way WG treats customers/consumers. This year WG was supposed to 

A- Buff a few tier ten tanks like the IS-4 just to name one: Result never happened 

B-  In 2018 when we got the Well Deserved Reward WG said "We hope to continue this tradition next year and make it even better. Enjoy your rewards, you deserve them! " : Result never happened 

C-  Halloween event got lots of hype: Result never happened 

D- You preview the EBR for the Frontline episode 10 event: Result, The ebr was not put in the shop for some reason

All of these inconsistent broken promises have made alot of your potential future customers very angry and it seems that you ( you as in WG) have lost sight of what the true goal of a business is. TO SATISFY YOUR CONSUMER BASE not to overcharge for tanks, not to constantly make promises that you later break, not to use the excuse that you are business so you deserve money but to SATISFY THE CONSUMER. You say "  By that logic everything we do is motivated by greed because businesses ultimately aim to be profitable" but you fail to understand that a lot of businesses dont make their pursuit of money as transparent as WG does and this is because alot of business put the customer first. Have you ever heard the phrase that " the customer is always right" your customer service certainly hasn't and I could tell that after I submitted one ticket with a very simple request that they should've easily been able to comply to. Next time you advertise the EBR it should appear on the premium shop, as simple as that no excuses. 

E100 was supposed to be buffed up also!    but maybe we will get that by xmas??:D   what was i thinking??    :facepalm:



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View Posttathagata83poddar, on Nov 17 2019 - 07:50, said:

Hey just a quick question , are these Frontline bundle tanks are for frontline battles only or we can do random battles in them as well ?

They aren't limited just to FL, they're just called "Frontline Bundles" because they feature tier VIII vehicles that are good for Frontline. But you can use them in Random Battles, tier 8 strongholds, etc.

View PostKillnU_, on Nov 17 2019 - 14:16, said:

 

You're overlooking the main point. Sure, some will find the extras useful. I'd guess mostly newer players who are still doing a lot of grinding. But when someone doesn't want or need the extras, the tanks cost is the cost of the bundle. You keep mentioning desirableness of the tanks and how unreliable xmas loot boxes can be, as if trying to drive up the hype and justify the current offers. The are desirable, sure, that's why we'd even consider breaking out the wallet for 'em. But they're not desirable enough to pay double. (again, if we don't want/need the extras we're paying for the tank)  I was ready to drop $60 on the lt-432 and EBR, or even $80 for lt-432 and Progetto, but WG can't be satisfied with that and they want $70 each. No, thank you. It's a headscratcher for sure, but if WG doesn't want my money I'm happy to comply.

I'm not overlooking the main point, I'm well aware of the argument you're making and I'm more than happy to pass on your feedback in this regard (already have, in fact) but I'm also a glass-half-full kind of guy and I'm coming up with hypothetical scenarios in which someone might be interested in picking up one of these bundles. I have several friends who were burned by this very example last year and ended up missing out on the Skorpion G because they spent that money on Christmas boxes instead. In the very same thread I'm also saying that the majority of players who are looking for value probably won't be interested in these bundles over, say, the Christmas boxes.

You can call me a shill for doing my job but at least I'm an honest shill? 

Instead of promising that we'll never sell bundles again or promising that they'll add a standalone bundle (which is something I very well can't do because I don't have the authority to do that) I'm looking for a silver lining in the whole thing. 

View Postporsche97, on Nov 17 2019 - 16:42, said:

I am so tired of WG using the same old excuse in that " we are a business". You are indeed a business but your consumer satisfaction track records suck because of the way WG treats customers/consumers. This year WG was supposed to 

A- Buff a few tier ten tanks like the IS-4 just to name one: Result never happened 

B-  In 2018 when we got the Well Deserved Reward WG said "We hope to continue this tradition next year and make it even better. Enjoy your rewards, you deserve them! " : Result never happened 

C-  Halloween event got lots of hype: Result never happened 

D- You preview the EBR for the Frontline episode 10 event: Result, The ebr was not put in the shop for some reason

All of these inconsistent broken promises have made alot of your potential future customers very angry and it seems that you ( you as in WG) have lost sight of what the true goal of a business is. TO SATISFY YOUR CONSUMER BASE not to overcharge for tanks, not to constantly make promises that you later break, not to use the excuse that you are business so you deserve money but to SATISFY THE CONSUMER. You say "  By that logic everything we do is motivated by greed because businesses ultimately aim to be profitable" but you fail to understand that a lot of businesses dont make their pursuit of money as transparent as WG does and this is because alot of business put the customer first. Have you ever heard the phrase that " the customer is always right" your customer service certainly hasn't and I could tell that after I submitted one ticket with a very simple request that they should've easily been able to comply to. Next time you advertise the EBR it should appear on the premium shop, as simple as that no excuses. 

re: A) and also grego34's comment about the E-100: I hear ya. I think some of the vehicles that were initially up for rebalance ended up being tough to crack because their playstyle is highly reliant on Special ammo or HE shells, like the HE-100 as some like to call it. Balancing efforts are ongoing, but some of the vehicle-specific balance efforts have been delayed because any balancing efforts might have to be pretty much redone in their entirety after ammo changes. Roadmaps change, and while I do wish for more information to share with y'all a bit more regularly about the status of that, Sandbox testing has been in full-swing this quarter and we've gathered a bunch of insights from the results of those tests.


B) Who says it's not going to happen? Just because it didn't go out precisely 1 year later, to the day, doesn't mean that there won't be a well-deserved reward this year. We will just have to wait and see, unfortunately.

 

C) Sure didn't, and we definitely ate crow on that one. The fact of the matter is that it was the most ambitious halloween event we've done to-date, combining a lot of concepts from prior events and our developers put in several weeks of overtime trying to make sure it was stable enough to release without causing greater technical issues for some players. Work is already being done to ensure that all that effort doesn't go to waste, and we hope to re-purpose as much of we can of that event for another event in the not-so-distant future.

 

D) Respectfully, I'd disagree with your assessment that we don't care about our consumer. As someone who has been playing this game since 2012, I can pretty confidently say that grinding up the tech tree and engaging with the game is far easier in 2019 than it has been in the past. If you are engaged with the community, watch Community Contributor streams and videos, watch the WOTNA Community Stream, Participate in our Discord community, forum and Discord contests, Tankrewards, there are tons of ways for you to accelerate your grind and earn free stuff. I remember I was working in Customer Support at the time, we ran the Tanks Through Time event back in... 2016, I think? I was absolutely blown away that I could earn an E25 simply by playing the game. I'm not making the excuse that we are a business and deserve money. On the contrary, the question of whether or not we deserve that money is entirely up to you, the consumer. I just think it's silly to ponder whether or not greed is the motivating factor behind a sale. It's a sale, of course money is the goal in mind. As for the EBR being pulled, the preview states that all items are subject to change, and this is a pretty good example of why that line is there.
 

I wish I could come up with some kind of noble reason as to why there aren't any standalone FL bundles this month, but as a player and long-time member of the community I'd rather be as up-front with you guys as possible. On that note, kind of a lot to unpack in a sale thread, don't ya think? :)
 

View PostCricketer, on Nov 18 2019 - 06:56, said:

I for one am glad the P2W 75 FL isn't up for sale, even if the Progetto is only a little less P2W.
And in case someone argues either that either aren't P2W, tell me, is the Lynx as good as the EBR, is the Pantera as good as the Progetto?

Call me stupid but I genuinely prefer the Lynx over the 75. Could be confirmation bias on my part but I feel like I land shots more consistently in the Lynx than the 75 and the HE Shells tend to give me higher rolls.

Downside is I've only got the 1 shell instead of 2 and it doesn't reverse as fast as the 75 but that's in-line with the behavior of the Tier X so to me it feels more representative of what the end of the line feels like.

View Postgrego34, on Nov 18 2019 - 12:07, said:

E100 was supposed to be buffed up also!    but maybe we will get that by xmas??:D   what was i thinking??    :facepalm:

I commented on this in point A) of me reply to Porsche if you wanna check that out. 



KillnU_ #27 Posted Nov 18 2019 - 23:40

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View PostDomoSapien, on Nov 18 2019 - 14:20, said:

I'm not overlooking the main point, I'm well aware of the argument you're making and I'm more than happy to pass on your feedback in this regard (already have, in fact)

 

OK, hadn't sounded to me like you had acknowledged it before going into spin mode.  I'm glad to hear you've passed the feedback on, thank you for that.



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WG can go to hell with that ebr bs.  That alone would keep me from giving WG more money let alone the numerous other reasons.

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View PostCricketer, on Nov 18 2019 - 13:56, said:

I for one am glad the P2W 75 FL isn't up for sale, even if the Progetto is only a little less P2W.
And in case someone argues either that either aren't P2W, tell me, is the Lynx as good as the EBR, is the Pantera as good as the Progetto?


I'm really not surprised the WG guys says they like the lynx better. 



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View Postcloudwalkr, on Nov 18 2019 - 23:44, said:


I'm really not surprised the WG guys says they like the lynx better. 

I'm not surprised either. Next we'll be seeing WG employees trying to convince us that the IS-3 is as good as the Defender



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View Postporsche97, on Nov 19 2019 - 12:08, said:

I'm not surprised either. Next we'll be seeing WG employees trying to convince us that the IS-3 is as good as the Defender

 

They've already said the TVP VTU is as good as the Defender.



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View PostCricketer, on Nov 19 2019 - 19:20, said:

 

They've already said the TVP VTU is as good as the Defender.

 

And that came from an actual developer.  A lot of things have happened that left my jaw dropped.  Hearing them say that in an interview...took the cake.

 



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Stupid price inflating bundles being the only option, when premium tanks in general are already overpriced to begin with.

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View PostCricketer, on Nov 19 2019 - 11:20, said:

 

They've already said the TVP VTU is as good as the Defender.

What !!! Where do you have a link ?



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View Postporsche97, on Nov 20 2019 - 01:08, said:

What !!! Where do you have a link ?

 

It was in this video (from their official page), circa the 2 minute mark

https://www.facebook...561655737274152



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View PostCricketer, on Nov 20 2019 - 09:36, said:

 

It was in this video (from their official page), circa the 2 minute mark

https://www.facebook...561655737274152

lmboI can't believe this [edited]. The TVP vtu wouldn't last a minute against the Defender. 






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